nickolay411
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January 29th, 2013 at 11:41:23 AM permalink
I'd like to take the time to get some more of rules laid out in more detail. So there is no confusion when March 11th comes.

Occasionally I will have a bad throw when both dice do not hit the back wall.

Is it automatically an invalid throw? What if only one dice hits the back wall? What if I seven out when ONE or BOTH dice do not hit the back wall?

In the casino sometimes these 'Invalid throws' are counted for the player sometimes against them. Sometimes you get warnings.

Shall we say a roll where both dice do not hit the back wall cannot be counted for or against me ? How does everyone feel about having this certain rule which doesn't apply to how they really do it in the Casino?

Would this be easier than setting up some kind of warning system? And having all rolls count until a certain threshold has been reached?
Ahigh
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January 29th, 2013 at 11:45:25 AM permalink
I suggest that I be allowed to play the role of the boxman and declare "no-roll" only on rolls BEFORE they resolve that are suspicious looking.

Calling a no-roll after resolution is NEVER done in the casino.

If you can accomplish a roll that lands in a position that would normally bounce off the back wall and they stop dead like they landed in sand, that is a legal throw!

The box can say "all the way down shooter" but not, "NO ROLL" after the resolution is complete.
nickolay411
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January 29th, 2013 at 11:56:35 AM permalink
So at what point or last moment could the Boxman be allowed to officially call a no-roll?

The reason I want to clarify is because I've never had a "no-roll" called on me before , I have been warned about both dice hitting the back wall but they've always allowed whatever resolution to happen. I have never had the dice taken away from me for not hitting the back wall sometimes a few times in a row...
odiousgambit
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January 29th, 2013 at 12:03:21 PM permalink
Quote: nickolay411

Occasionally I will have a bad throw when both dice do not hit the back wall.

Is it automatically an invalid throw?



The simplest thing would be to have all such throws called "no-roll" automatically. Let Ahigh or someone else neutral determine if both were in the air and then hit the back wall, his decision final.

Nothing should be on the table for the dice to land on either.

Cocked dice should be "no-roll" as well, but without things in the way that should be rare.
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Ahigh
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January 29th, 2013 at 12:10:14 PM permalink
Barring any opposition, I am going to perform this task.

I believe I can represent a box man accurately enough that I think this will be my job.

We could discuss it, but I will only try to do what a regular box man would do.

I won't let Nick do any illegal throws.

I should also note that whether or not he can accomplish the challenge makes no difference to me as this is all for fun.

I won't be betting on the outcome of Nick's performance.
odiousgambit
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January 29th, 2013 at 12:30:10 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I will only try to do what a regular box man would do.



I won't be there to make you do it my way [g]. But I will say I don't like how a casino does it. This seems to have something to do with keeping as many rolls going and bets booked as possible. Thus they call the cocked dice and they give warnings about dice not hitting the back wall long before any rolls are "no-roll". I don't see any reason to go that way here, but that is up to Soopoo too.
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AcesAndEights
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January 29th, 2013 at 12:50:47 PM permalink
As my interest is in whether or not dice-influencing is possible under real-world circumstances, I think that Ahigh's intention to act as a real-world pit boss would be the best course of action. If nickolay411 fails to hit the back wall a couple times, I think they should count good or bad. If he makes a habit of it, then he should lose the bet as he is not following the rules of craps (i.e. in a real casino, he would lose the dice in this case)...although I seriously doubt that would happen, as he wants to complete the bet, win or lose.

Of course I don't have any money on this. It's really up to SOOPOO and nickolay411 to negotiate, subject to Ahigh's expert consultation services.
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SOOPOO
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January 29th, 2013 at 5:03:42 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

As my interest is in whether or not dice-influencing is possible under real-world circumstances, I think that Ahigh's intention to act as a real-world pit boss would be the best course of action. If nickolay411 fails to hit the back wall a couple times, I think they should count good or bad. If he makes a habit of it, then he should lose the bet as he is not following the rules of craps (i.e. in a real casino, he would lose the dice in this case)...although I seriously doubt that would happen, as he wants to complete the bet, win or lose.

Of course I don't have any money on this. It's really up to SOOPOO and nickolay411 to negotiate, subject to Ahigh's expert consultation services.



I will defer on this to the Wiz. I would be comfortable with whatever stance Mike takes. If Nickolay would consent to have the Wiz set the final parameters, then I would be ok with that. If you, Nickolay, want to make a proposition as to what the rules should be, just do so. My hunch is they would be acceptable.
By the way, i am hoping a friend who I introduced to craps last vegas trip will be able to make it again. Mike can vouch for her photogenicity.
sodawater
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January 29th, 2013 at 5:09:38 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO


By the way, i am hoping a friend who I introduced to craps last vegas trip will be able to make it again. Mike can vouch for her photogenicity.



sounds yummy
nickolay411
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January 29th, 2013 at 5:34:45 PM permalink
As far as rules. I am in favor of the real-world Pitboss scenario Ahigh and AcesAndEights mentioned.

I don't think I should have to lose the entire bet If the dice don't hit the back wall enough times though...

How does something like this sound?

Both Dice hit back wall. X Warnings for Every Y throws. Redo throws if X warnings are exceeded per Y throws.

If I'm not mistaken the Wizard has been present in a similar challenge with Standford Wong. I'd like to hear what he has to say.

-N

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