dice control
You're no dummy, surely you expected some of this.
Hell, if I started thread about how space aliens wake me up every night and
let me drive their space ship, I'd catch some flack too.
Bottom line- you are doing something that interests you. It's your time and your money.
Keep at it until you no longer enjoy it.
Quote: MakingBookspace aliens wake me up every night and
let me drive their space ship
How does she run?
Quote: TIMSPEEDHow does she run?
As EvenBob would say, drives like a sports car.
Just wear a short sleeve shirt.
If they put a Craps table in the Party Pit, perhaps he can be naked.
Hey, just saying " What if ? "
Yeah, it would be a funny signature look to have shirts that almost don't exist. LOL.
http://youtu.be/ISv-n2DmvBQ?t=44s
I'm still unclear what any of this proves or doesn't prove. Any of the videos are just dice being thrown.... more accurately than I can imagine in terms of pattern (high bounce, same corner), but nothing -in the videos- shows a testable hypothesis, to me. May be I am missing the point. But until I see testable claim, tested... then it's just a guy throwing dice. Sorry. Get upset with that all you want, but I don't see why I should be impressed.
If it doesn't make you wonder, no worries.
It makes me wonder.
No proof.
Quote: MakingBookAs EvenBob would say, drives like a sports car.
So, you're saying, it takes 8 seconds to reach 60mph?
Excellent. Good to know that I can outrun (well, out-drive) the aliens if it ever comes to that.
However the problem is putting in the time. It is like anything else, if you bowl, if you golf if
you are into archery. it becomes pretty clear that the more you practice properly, the more consistant
you will be.
The rub on dice control is two fold.... 1.... if you are so good at dice controll why cant you go
to the table any time you want and make a lot of money. Now ofcourse those that imply this
dont apply that to any other effort. They would not claim that Tiger woods was subject to
variance or luck just because he did not win every tournament... they would not conclude that
variance or luck was involved with an old time bowler such as Earl Anthony. Jack N has won more
major golf tournatments than anyone, yet over all those years it was only 18. Would they suggest
it was only luck or variance because the best golfer of all time only won 18 times.
I have played craps for 30 years, and it was only after i spent hundreds and hundreds of hours of
practice that i accomplished very many 40- 50 rolls . Now during that same period i had more
7 outs than long rolls. The short rolls do not over shadow the long or more consistant money
makers....
If you just apply the same common sense to dice control that you would any other physical
effort, you have no choice but to conclude some influence over the dice is possible with
the proper amount of practice.
Those that call some one else a liar just because they cant do it, miss much of potential
of themselves and all others that strive to improve .
dicesitter
Quote: dicesitterFor those few that have actually put in the time to learn a controlled throw, there is no question it works,
However the problem is putting in the time. It is like anything else, if you bowl, if you golf if
you are into archery. it becomes pretty clear that the more you practice properly, the more consistant
you will be.
The rub on dice control is two fold.... 1.... if you are so good at dice controll why cant you go
to the table any time you want and make a lot of money. Now ofcourse those that imply this
dont apply that to any other effort. They would not claim that Tiger woods was subject to
variance or luck just because he did not win every tournament... they would not conclude that
variance or luck was involved with an old time bowler such as Earl Anthony. Jack N has won more
major golf tournatments than anyone, yet over all those years it was only 18. Would they suggest
it was only luck or variance because the best golfer of all time only won 18 times.
I have played craps for 30 years, and it was only after i spent hundreds and hundreds of hours of
practice that i accomplished very many 40- 50 rolls . Now during that same period i had more
7 outs than long rolls. The short rolls do not over shadow the long or more consistant money
makers....
If you just apply the same common sense to dice control that you would any other physical
effort, you have no choice but to conclude some influence over the dice is possible with
the proper amount of practice.
Those that call some one else a liar just because they cant do it, miss much of potential
of themselves and all others that strive to improve .
dicesitter
Welcome to the forum.... I am the resident skeptic.... I am willing to put my money where my mouth is.... Are you??? Tell me what 'control' you think you can do, and I'll bet you can't! If you think your 'special talents' can make 13 sevens per hundred instead of 16, I'll bet you can't.... If you think you can hit hardways 19 out of 100 instead of 16, I'll bet you can't.... You make any claim that is a reasonable variant from what would be randomly expected, and I'll bet you can't do it!
Quote: sodawaterarchers aren't required to bounce their arrows off rubber pyramids before hitting their target.
Soda. I know you're confident. Next time you're in town, let's play to keep it in the family. I'll let you bet do or the don't while I shoot and I will throw to attempt to take your money.
Then you can show me with your bets while I roll the dice how random you think the game is.
Here's what I think about you: you're all talk.
Quote: SOOPOOWelcome to the forum.... I am the resident skeptic.... I am willing to put my money where my mouth is.... Are you??? Tell me what 'control' you think you can do, and I'll bet you can't! If you think your 'special talents' can make 13 sevens per hundred instead of 16, I'll bet you can't.... If you think you can hit hardways 19 out of 100 instead of 16, I'll bet you can't.... You make any claim that is a reasonable variant from what would be randomly expected, and I'll bet you can't do it!
You too home boy. I'm tired of the lame sucker bets you offer. You can handle a 0.04% per roll house edge on a 10x table if the game is truly random when I throw the bones, right?
Show me I can't take your money.
Quote: AhighSoda. I know you're confident. Next time you're in town, let's play to keep it in the family. I'll let you bet do or the don't while I shoot and I will throw to attempt to take your money.
Then you can show me with your bets while I roll the dice how random you think the game is.
Here's what I think about you: you're all talk.
Stop being silly, Aaron. No one has said that you are anything but a random roller with absolutely no ability to influence dice. Therefore betting the don't when you roll will eventually end up in a loss because of the inherent house advantage. Just like betting with you will end up in a loss. As the random shooter that you are, like all shooters are, craps is a negative expectation game. Your results, whether on the 'light' side or 'dark' side, will always tend to lose. Quite simple, actually.
Quote: SOOPOOStop being silly, Aaron. No one has said that you are anything but a random roller with absolutely no ability to influence dice. Therefore betting the don't when you roll will eventually end up in a loss because of the inherent house advantage. Just like betting with you will end up in a loss. As the random shooter that you are, like all shooters are, craps is a negative expectation game. Your results, whether on the 'light' side or 'dark' side, will always tend to lose. Quite simple, actually.
That sounds like a "I'm scared" response if I ever heard one.
I will pay you half your line bet on 12 to make it a zero edge game for you assuming that I am in fact, as YOU claim, nothing special of a shooter.
But it sure sounds like you're scared to me.
I'm just sayin'. I expected "$5,000 .. I pick the bets, we keep going until one person has all the other person's money."
If anyone is Silly it's you thinking someone like me would ever think he could win one of your engineered sucker bets that you think makes any point at all to anyone.
The bets that you propose are absolutely ridiculous and meaningless and prove nothing at all except that you want to take advantage of people.
Quote: AhighYou too home boy. I'm tired of the lame sucker bets you offer. You can handle a 0.04% per roll house edge on a 10x table if the game is truly random when I throw the bones, right?
Show me I can't take your money.
Aaron, just STATE what you can do! You have waffled more than a politician! Are you now actually saying that you can control the dice??? I can quote dozens of posts of yours where you equivocate! So now you are saying you can do it!!!! TELL ME WHAT YOU CAN DO!!!! Can you really increase your hardways 10% above expectation? Can you decrease your sevens 12% below expectations? TELL US WHAT YOU THINK YOU CAN DO!!!!!!
Why would I bet on a negative expectation game like craps? I'll wait for the dice influencing sucker who actually believes he has influence...
Quote: SOOPOOAaron, just STATE what you can do! You have waffled more than a politician! Are you now actually saying that you can control the dice??? I can quote dozens of posts of yours where you equivocate! So now you are saying you can do it!!!! TELL ME WHAT YOU CAN DO!!!! Can you really increase your hardways 10% above expectation? Can you decrease your sevens 12% below expectations? TELL US WHAT YOU THINK YOU CAN DO!!!!!!
Why would I bet on a negative expectation game like craps? I'll wait for the dice influencing sucker who actually believes he has influence...
I'm only stating that I already play the game and I already take bets and I already roll the dice onto those bets.
But if you don't believe there is anything but randomness behind my shot, I think you should feel safe on the opposite side of my bets, right?
So do you?
The point that I am making is that the bets that you offer prove nothing at all. If you really think I'm a random shooter, then show me don't tell me.
I'm not even playing your game and coming up with a SOOPOO sucker bet to offer you, I'm just saying if it's random, then gamble during my roll and let me try to take your money with my shot.
Quote: AhighI'm only stating that I already play the game and I already take bets and I already roll the dice onto those bets.
But if you don't believe there is anything but randomness behind my shot, I think you should feel safe on the opposite side of my bets, right?
So do you?
The point that I am making is that the bets that you offer prove nothing at all. If you really think I'm a random shooter, then show me don't tell me.
I'm not even playing your game and coming up with a SOOPOO sucker bet to offer you, I'm just saying if it's random, then gamble during my roll and let me try to take your money with my shot.
You really don't understand, do you? I am trying to find a charlatan (aka dice influencer) who will state what they can do to make money, other than give seminars. then I will offer a bet to say they cannot do it! SIMPLE. I have no interest in betting against you when my odds would be 50% (minus .04% as per your calculation), as even though you are a random roller, like all are, my expectation would be to lose! Why on earth would I do that? At least we got you out of the closet! You now are known to consider yourself a dice influencer!
Quote: SOOPOOYou really don't understand, do you? I am trying to find a charlatan (aka dice influencer) who will state what they can do to make money, other than give seminars. then I will offer a bet to say they cannot do it! SIMPLE. I have no interest in betting against you when my odds would be 50% (minus .04% as per your calculation), as even though you are a random roller, like all are, my expectation would be to lose! Why on earth would I do that? At least we got you out of the closet! You now are known to consider yourself a dice influencer!
No I'm just challenging you to a random game with zero edge and you're refusing.
I made no claims, I just am saying that if you feel I am only a random roller, you could at LEAST step up that talk to put some money behind that big talk.
Maybe you missed the part where I offer to pay you half your line bet on the 12 whether it's the pass or the don't, that makes it a zero edge game for you.
I know you are open to gambling, so the question is what are you afraid of? Because you are in fact afraid if you don't take me up on the offer. I even let you pick the bets!
And no, I'm not making any claims. YOU ARE. I'm just saying you can't just say I'm a random roller and expect it to mean anything when it is 100% talk.
At least what I am doing is demonstrating and filming and showing.
All you critics do is poo poo, soopoo.
Will you be doing your shooting in a casino, or at home it does make a difference?
The difference between my challenge and SOOPOO's challenges is that mine is FAIR to those who I am challenging.
If you can't take ALL of my money, you can cry uncle, but YOU PAY ALL THE JUICE I cough up FROM THE 12's.
There is no way either of these guys will take my FAIR challenge. NO WAY.
And you better believe there is no way any, even an IDIODIC RETARD, would take one of SOOPOO's challenges which isn't even CLOSE to being as fair as my challenge.
And even if I am a random roller, those guys are too scared to risk $1,000 on a random event. Bet a $1,000 Don't Pass line against me. I DARE YOU!!!
Who gives them the right to say ANYTHING about dice control? They know NOTHING as far as I am concerned and have NO VESTED INTEREST in the topic at all.
Quote: AhighSilverton Casino. The invitation is out to SooPoo and SodaWater. $1,000 minimum challenge .. play until one person has lost all $1,000.
LOL
It was this exact kind of nonsense that got Wong's knickers all twisted.
The suggested "test" means nothing.
Quote: MrVThe suggested "test" means nothing.
SOOPOO's test means nothing because it is TOO RIDICULOUS for anyone to accept.
You will see that even my test, even though it also means nothing about dice control, it means EVERYTHING when it comes to the TRUE LACK OF WILLINGNESS for SOOPOO to participate in anything but giving someone a Charlatan's sucker bet that they would be foolish to accept.
Quote: AhighAnd you better believe there is no way any [one] would take one of SOOPOO's challenges which isn't even CLOSE to being as fair as my challenge.
The premise, as I understand it, is that SOOPOO's challenge would be unfair to a random shooter but would be advantageous to a dice controller with the claimed level of control. The point isn't to make a fair challenge for a typical shooter but for those who claim they have extraordinary skills in influencing dice outcomes.
Quote: MathExtremistQuote: AhighAnd you better believe there is no way any [one] would take one of SOOPOO's challenges which isn't even CLOSE to being as fair as my challenge.
The premise, as I understand it, is that SOOPOO's challenge would be unfair to a random shooter but would be advantageous to a dice controller with the claimed level of control. The point isn't to make a fair challenge for a typical shooter but for those who claim they have extraordinary skills in influencing dice outcomes.
You don't even need extra-ordinary skills to overcome a 0.04% edge per roll. And that is a really big part of *my* point.
NOBODY wants to take a sucker bet when you're used to taking near-zero edge bets any time you like.
It's like asking a guy who is a track runner and hurdles 39 inch hurdles all day long that he isn't worth shit unless he can clear a 50 inch hurdle.
WTF?
The only point being made there is the person making the challenge has no concept of how hard it is to clear a 39 inch hurdle and thinks that in order to prove clearing a 39 inch hurdle is possible you have to be able to clear a 50 inch one?!?!
SOOPOO's challenges merely demonstrate that he does not appreciate the low house edge of craps bets.
The other thing is that you have to play a whole lot of craps for any of this edge to mean anything anyway.
Most people who want to challenge me don't have the patience to learn the truth no matter what the truth is.
It takes tens of thousands of rolls to establish if you have an edge, and maybe more if your edge is just barely overcoming the house's edge.
These guys with these challenges are just setting ridiculously high hurdles and proclaiming "SEE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. IT IS PROVEN YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT."
I think the whole SOOPOO challenge is simply DISINGENUOUS.
I poo poo the soo poo.
Why would I bother trying to win $1,000 from SOOPOO?
I've been practicing throwing dice onto my queen sized bed and the more practice I put it, the higher my "hit rate" is on the dimes. Casino dice are bigger than the dimes and the original challenge does not require any kind of direct hit with a corner on the dimes, etc. I really think that with a big more practice I just might be able to get five in a row. That doesn't mean I could do it straight away on a regulation craps table. But my only point is with practice I think it can be done.
Also, as I said initially, hitting the two dice doesn't mean squat about any ability to control or influence dice. it only means you can toss two dice to hit one spot. This is not a great accomplishment.
As others have pointed out if you are going to test dice influencing or dice control, then test how the dice finish. If Ahigh somehow can influence the "finish" without exhibiting any control over the grip, toss, arc, speed, hit, bounce or roll then more power to him.
Those of us who are critical of the claims of dice control say the other elements of a controlled throw must be present. Well, perhaps they don't have to be present afterall. Perhaps what we consider to be a random throw is in fact "control" that we can't appreciate because it is not what we have come to expect or believe in?
Quote: MakingBookIf I were able to control the dice, I would be in a casino right now taking their money.
Why would I bother trying to win $1,000 from SOOPOO?
I'm have no expectations for him to take this bet any more than he has to take anyone else's money.
Consider it tit for tat.
I quadrupled my bankroll in the last 48 hours.
So what?
That doesn't prove anything except that I got lucky.
All I'm saying is that SOOPOO's bets are ridiculous and ineffective at convincing anyone that influencing the dice enough to overcome the edge is possible or not.
If you would want to make it fair to both parties, wouldn't it serve everybody involved to play craps at a different casino that you don't play at everyday?
One of the things that makes someone being a DI really difficult is that they have to play at different table around any gambling city they go to. If you are a local DI, you can't play at the same casino everyday and be winning. You can't make like the casinos are your personal ATM making large withdraws every time you go into their casino or they will ban you! That only happens when you have a fiction writer, writing that they told hundreds of thousands of dollars of a table when they made 19 “4's” and 20 “10's” in one hand, laughable isn't it, but that is why everybody is saying that there are no DI's, because of the BS these guys write!
Quote: AlanMendelsonI'm not going to comment about Ahigh's challenge here, but I would like to say that SOOPOO could lose his bet.
So what? I already lost about $300 or more of my time and energy just fooling around with what he suggested. That was a total waste.
Oh he *might* lose $50. Let me shed a tear. I think at his compensation rate that represents far less than an hour of his pay rate.
Regardless of pay rate, I spent about 8 hours on his RIDICULOUS offer of $50.
WOW!!! Fantastic! Let me go for $50. I am so GETTING THAT MONEY.
I do this because I like it.
But the whole thing is a joke, and means nothing at all to anybody.
Quote: superrickAhigh
If you would want to make it fair to both parties, wouldn't it serve everybody involved to play craps at a different casino that you don't play at everyday?
One of the things that makes someone being a DI really difficult is that they have to play at different table around any gambling city they go to. If you are a local DI, you can't play at the same casino everyday and be winning. You can't make like the casinos are your personal ATM making large withdraws every time you go into their casino or they will ban you! That only happens when you have a fiction writer, writing that they told hundreds of thousands of dollars of a table when they made 19 “4's” and 20 “10's” in one hand, laughable isn't it, but that is why everybody is saying that there are no DI's, because of the BS these guys write!
I leave with money almost EVERY SINGLE DAY from the Silverton.
Not a single time have they even HINTED they might not want me to take their money.
They stopped sweating me as soon as I stopped rolling for other people's bets with $5 on the line.
When I won $4,400 for TeddyS friend, that was the first time I did that in a long time, and it was because it was a friend of TeddyS.
The last time there was that much money on the felt during my roll, I PASSED THE DICE.
The Silverton loves me. And if you bet on my roll and expect anything from me without knowing I'm looking out for you, YOU BETTER WATCH OUT.
Just two days ago, I had $100 pass line bet on a six point. I bought a $130 lay (improper bet) and I put $150 on the come, and I rolled a seven. I had no other bets. Everybody on the table lost. I didn't laugh out loud, but WTF do I care?
I won almost exactly as much as the rest of the table lost (IE: the players paid me not the casino).
If you can't figure out how to get paid every day (at the same casino), you're not trying hard enough.
Coincidentally, the guy with the most money on the felt when I passed the dice was there last night (Andrew.) He left right as I picked up the dice!
Coincidence? Maybe. But that guy wins a lot too!
Quote: AhighQuote: MathExtremistQuote: AhighAnd you better believe there is no way any [one] would take one of SOOPOO's challenges which isn't even CLOSE to being as fair as my challenge.
The premise, as I understand it, is that SOOPOO's challenge would be unfair to a random shooter but would be advantageous to a dice controller with the claimed level of control. The point isn't to make a fair challenge for a typical shooter but for those who claim they have extraordinary skills in influencing dice outcomes.
You don't even need extra-ordinary skills to overcome a 0.04% edge per roll. And that is a really big part of *my* point.
I'm not talking about overcoming any edge. I'm talking about testing the shooter's claim of dice frequency modification without respect to any particular wager offered on a craps table. Granted, one needs to make a line bet to shoot, but in my mind the right test would be "you say you can hit more hardways than normal? How many more? Okay, I'll bet you can't." And then just keep track of the hardways while they shoot. Don't bother with bankroll swings because that just injects another source of variance.
Similarly, if someone says they can keep the dice on axis 50% of the time, have them make a $5 line bet, ignore the rest of the game, and just keep shooting with the dice set on the 1/6 axis while you count the number of rolls where a 1 or 6 appear on either die.
It's not about the bankroll results, just the dice frequencies. If the frequencies are indeed influenced, making money can (and will) come later.
I don't know that Ahigh is selling anything. Do you think that blowing his candle out will make yours burn brighter?
Does every throw have to prove influence, or can a few?
Good on Ahigh for throwing it back.
I think a fair bet would be that on an agreed table, I do believe he can throw better than you more than half the time. That challenge probably wont appeal either. There's a chance here to make some money proving how good random skills are.
Quote: petroglyphIt's odd to me that it always seems to be the disbelievers that want to be the one's to set the parameter's of what proof is. Is all the tormenting supposedly for the benefit of someone who might want a gambling lesson, book or tape, and to save this person some money? Sometimes costly lessons overall can actually be cheap in the long run, it's just the price it takes to discover reality.
I don't know that Ahigh is selling anything. Do you think that blowing his candle out will make yours burn brighter?
Does every throw have to prove influence, or can a few?
Good on Ahigh for throwing it back.
I think a fair bet would be that on an agreed table, I do believe he can throw better than you more than half the time. That challenge probably wont appeal either. There's a chance here to make some money proving how good random skills are.
Yeah, and you know the thing is I see random shooters doing better than me at any given moment plenty of times. I'm putting out some obvious exposure.
You can beat me EASILY at my challenge with PLAIN DUMB LUCK. And it wouldn't prove anything EXCEPT that I am WILLING to make a FAIR challenge, and SOOPOO isn't, really.
My point isn't to take's SOOPOO's money or my desire to, it's to demonstrate by EXAMPLE what a FAIR challenge IS and to make the point that SOOPOO isn't interested in any such fair challenge.
He wants to make a sucker bet to ATTEMPT to prove that influencing the dice isn't possible.
He can't prove anything with any bet anyway!! The whole idea that a bet is proof is ridiculous.
But if you want to make a bet with a man, MAKE A FAIR BET!
I have never ever shot dice, but lay me 2 to 1 and I will outroll you.
Quote: BuzzardDice Influence = I can get luckier than you and thereby prove I can influence dice. ROFLMAO
I have never ever shot dice, but lay me 2 to 1 and I will outroll you.
Buzz, this isn't about DI versus non DI. This is about making SUCKER BETS versus making FAIR BETS.
None of these bets proves anything except that nobody who claims to be a DI is also a sucker willing to take a SOOPOO sucker bet.
My only proof is that SOOPOO has NO INTEREST in making any fair bets against me .. someone he believes is 100% random.
Are you going to go ask Tiger Woods that you bet he cant win the next tournament???? your back to the age old
protest against dice control... if you cant do when i want you to do it... your a fraud.
I fully understand your point of view and your free to have it. This is not new. You want proof, play with a good
dice setter over a year 2 or 3 years.... Your attempt to convince others by challenging me, may make you feel better,
it may even make others feel better, but it cant convince me that what i have seen myself do, what i have seen
many others do, cant be done.... I am 64 years old, trying to shake my confidence is feeble at best because i dont
care. i dont have to prove anything to anyone... once i have proven it to myself.
I dont have an ego, all i want to do play craps and win..
dicesitter
SOOPOO is not open minded to any possibilities and has no real interest in learning more about the game of craps.
He, generally speaking, doesn't know much about the game at all.
Quote:
I've met SOOPOO and he loves to make money. His challenges are no more than a trap to try to profit from someone else who he considers intellectually inferior to him.
Let me ask you a dumb question, if you did met SOOPOO was it on a table in a casino and if it was, why would he be betting against you?
Let's see. Would Tiger lay 2 to 1 against someone who has never played golf before ?
You bet your ass. Would any dice setter lay me 2 to 1. No F***ing Way !
Maybe you can sympathize with me a bit here?
I went to the dr. and got a presription for rogaine to try and grow some of my hair back.
I've also been taking viagra,
Wouldn't you know it' All I got was this stupid mohawk.
I am just making the point that the bets that he offers that he knows full well than any intelligent person WILL NOT TAKE are not fair bets to make.
I am making a FAIR offer for SOOPOO to make the point that I believe HE WILL NOT TAKE A FAIR BET.
I don't want to take his money; I want to make the point that he has no interest in my fair bet because he's is in fact aware that he can lose money whether it's luck or not doesn't matter. He doesn't want to lose and he's scared of losing because the chance to lose is there.
I'm not scared to lose! Let's go!!!!
So why would any craps player at all take ANY bet with SOOPOO when he isn't interested in 100% fair bets on the craps table? He wants to play as if he is entitled to a ridiculously high house edge to counter a claim of influence that he says is impossible to have.
If it's impossible, make a fair bet, that's all I ask.
Quote: AhighNo, and don't get me wrong. SOOPOO is a great guy.
I am just making the point that the bets that he offers that he knows full well than any intelligent person WILL NOT TAKE are not fair bets to make.
I am making a FAIR offer for SOOPOO to make the point that I believe HE WILL NOT TAKE A FAIR BET.
I don't want to take his money; I want to make the point that he has no interest in my fair bet because he's is in fact aware that he can lose money whether it's luck or not doesn't matter. He doesn't want to lose and he's scared of losing because the chance to lose is there.
I'm not scared to lose! Let's go!!!!
So why would any craps player at all take ANY bet with SOOPOO when he isn't interested in 100% fair bets on the craps table? He wants to play as if he is entitled to a ridiculously high house edge to counter a claim of influence that he says is impossible to have.
If it's impossible, make a fair bet, that's all I ask.
Course SooPoo is not interested in a fair random bet. He's challenging those who say they can BEAT a game to stand by a claim they can make. He's done it plenty of times before, and no-one ever takes him up on it. Because they don't want to be beaten. I've seen him offer bets that would be 75/25 in the challengers favour if they could do what they say, but 75/25 in his favour if they can't. THATS a test. A 50/50 fair bet against a random roller (even if you are 'a good shooter_? Why should he care? Why should anyone care? I can put $1000 bucks down in a casino tomorrow and get that play, and no-one gains anything. From what SooPoo does, I can't see why he should bother.
Apart from a bunch of posturing and crying about spending time on this, I've yet to see you make a single claim about your dice rolling abilities. Fair enough. But either shit or get of the can. Either claim something testable, or stop whining that no-one takes you on. No one should, you just duck and weave and counter attack when anyone asks you to make a statement of what you actually BELIEVE. You've been asked multiple times, but we seem to have to be impressed with $1000 cameras and plenty of time spent, but actually hard facts are less forthcoming than Ken's roulette systems (mrjjj).
If you say you are a random roller, there's no interest at all from SooPoo, his bets on gambling are ALL about trying to get someone to prove they can beat the HOUSE.
He's made bets in the past he's lost (see HotBlonde challenge).
I come out to Vegas. He will shoot the dice, and I will bet the don't. He pays me half wins on any 12 he rolls on the come out. He claims that makes the game a 0.00 EV (I haven't bothered to calculate if that's correct, but let's assume it is.)
Ok, so now my expected gain or loss on the bet is $0.00. And since the game will be "even," any result would not prove anything whatsoever.
Yes, that sounds like a really good idea. Let me pay $400 for a flight from the East Coast, another $400 for rooms and meals, and $200 for incidentals, all so ahigh can prove someone can win or lose $1000 betting on craps.
Think I'll stay home in AC and bet my $1000 there, for free.
Quote: SOOPOOI am willing to put my money where my mouth is.... Are you??? Tell me what 'control' you think you can do, and I'll bet you can't! If you think your 'special talents' can make 13 sevens per hundred instead of 16, I'll bet you can't....
I'll take that bet on "14 sevens per hundred rolls," with a good DI as the shooter.
That's a 12.5% reduction from the expected number of sevens, which is probably more than enough to overcome the 0.184% house edge on a 10x odds come bet.
By the way, your proposed feat of "13 sevens per hundred instead of 16" is precisely what was accomplished by "Little Joe Green" in an official dice influencing trial, in 222 rolls.
Get Little Joe Green to shoot (or someone just as good), and I'll take the bet of "14 sevens per hundred rolls."
Quote: MakingBookIf I were able to control the dice, I would be in a casino right now taking their money.
Why would I bother trying to win $1,000 from SOOPOO?
BINGO.... but he can't.....
I stand by my original offer to ALL dice controllers....
make a coherent claim about what you can do, and i will bet you cannot do it....
Aaron has been unable to make a coherent claim.....
A coherent claim might be something like this.... I'll give examples...
1. I can roll fewer than 15 sevens out of 100 rolls consistently....
2. I can roll 20 or more doubles out of 100 rolls consistently....
3. I can hit a 6 or 8 at least 30 out of 100 tries consistently...
My last challenge was just to show how freaking hard it is to land the dice on the same spot on the table, let alone have it have the same velocity, spin, arc, etc...
Aaron, or any 'DI"... make a claim about your abilities that exceed what a random roller can do that I can understand, and I'll bet you cannot do it.
