Buzzard
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January 18th, 2013 at 7:52:44 AM permalink
He can always keep trying 100 attempts , until his bankroll is gone. SOOPOO will even issue him a LOSS statement for tax purposes.
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SOOPOO
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January 18th, 2013 at 8:10:10 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

100 attempts does not seem to be enough to yield probative results.



It is not my intention that a challenge be 100 attempts. I just want an 'influencer' to make a claim, and how many successes they can accomplish is easily stated per 100 attempts. If they say they can decrease 7's from 16.67 to 16.64 per hundred I won't waste my time, as the number of rolls needed to prove anything would be far too great. But most of the claims I have seen are easily disprovable in the low hundreds of rolls, with greater than 95% certitude.
thecesspit
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January 18th, 2013 at 8:25:58 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

100 attempts does not seem to be enough to yield probative results.



Most claims might not be provable in a low number of rolls, but are bets that would be in heavily in one sides favour if true and heavily in the other if just random. The sort of edges that the roller would be happy to take to the casino.
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superrick
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January 18th, 2013 at 8:39:00 AM permalink
Ahigh

You seem to want everybody to know that you make a lot of money and can afford to gamble, you made that statement when you lost your bankroll. So I never heard you say that you rathole chips when your at the table, you want the casinos to know that you walked out a winner, right?

Well if you really want to prove anything, please just print out your win/loss statement.

That will tell the real story, as to what you do everyday at the Silverton Casino.

It's not like everybody doesn't already know you, you have posted your face all over the internet, so every casino in the world can see who you are, also every crook, that might just decide to stick-up the winner as he is walking out of the Silverton Casino at lunch time!
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CrapsForever
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January 18th, 2013 at 9:11:09 AM permalink
Quote: superrick


It's not like everybody doesn't already know you, you have posted your face all over the internet, so every casino in the world can see who you are, also every crook, that might just decide to stick-up the winner as he is walking out of the Silverton Casino at lunch time!



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Ahigh
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January 18th, 2013 at 9:13:27 AM permalink
http://www.goodshooter.com/ahigh/silverton_2010_2011.pdf

Thanks for pointing out what is obvious to me: I am not hiding anything.

It's unfortunate, though, that even if I had $100,000 in winnings to show, it would not prove anything at all.

I did rathole a bunch of red chips a couple at a time when I was saving the new red chips they made up. I showed up with $1,500 worth of all those red chips at once in three racks and I put them all on the rail.

I do rathole winnings, but not enough to say I came out way ahead, and definitely not enough for anyone to notice it. In general I only do this for small value chips ($5 or less) that I just think are so nice I would rather keep them myself for the time being.
Ibeatyouraces
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January 18th, 2013 at 9:54:18 AM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
tupp
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January 18th, 2013 at 10:04:00 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I stand by my original offer to ALL dice controllers....
make a coherent claim about what you can do, and i will bet you cannot do it....
Aaron has been unable to make a coherent claim.....

A coherent claim might be something like this.... I'll give examples...

1. I can roll fewer than 15 sevens out of 100 rolls consistently....
2. I can roll 20 or more doubles out of 100 rolls consistently....
3. I can hit a 6 or 8 at least 30 out of 100 tries consistently...

Not sure how this discussion became another "let's pick on Ahigh" thread, but how is this for a coherent claim:

"A good dice influencer can roll 15 or fewer sevens out of 100 rolls consistently."

That is more than a 6% reduction in the expected number of sevens -- probably a big enough margin to overcome the house edge of 0.184% in the case of 10x odds come bets. It is all the margin one needs to win at the casino in the long run.

How about that for a coherent claim?


Quote: SOOPOO

My last challenge was just to show how freaking hard it is to land the dice on the same spot on the table, let alone have it have the same velocity, spin, arc, etc...

As I recall, someone later in that thread tried it and reported that it wasn't very difficult. Furthermore, in Ahigh's video, he appeared to hit it on his third or fourth attempt.

By the way, I would like to point out that no one who asserts the possibility dice influencing has stated that every throw has to be perfect -- merely avoiding one expected seven out of 100 throws is more than enough to overcome the house edge.

Quote: SOOPOO

Aaron, or any 'DI"... make a claim about your abilities that exceed what a random roller can do that I can understand, and I'll bet you cannot do it.

I don't ever recall Aaron claiming to be a DI.

I am not a DI, but I would wager on my claim above, if we could find a good, willing DI.
tupp
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January 18th, 2013 at 10:12:58 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Right. Short term variance means nothing. Thats all these people rely on. No different then some blackjack player that doubles on a hard 12 ten times in a row and wins all ten. He'll now believe its the "right play" and it works. 100, 222, 1000 rolls, etc. mean NOTHING!

Except, in all the recorded/monitored dice influencing trials, the variance never seems to go against the shooter -- it is either with the shooter or slightly better than the "expected" math.

That positive "bias" says a lot. I might bet more at the casino if I knew that the variance would rarely go against me.
Ahigh
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January 18th, 2013 at 10:19:46 AM permalink
I think I'm still at 15.0x% sevens for the 1600 or so rolls that I have recorded so far.

I just recorded 180 or so the other night. It started out horribly, but ended with a profit.

Even if I get to 10,000 rolls with 14.xx% sevens I don't think it will convince anyone who isn't already convinced that it might be possible.

I've been at this for years already, been open and public about everything that I am doing, and only even taking the position that it might be possible against those who claim that they KNOW it is impossible.

I think those with the false knowledge that it's impossible are the remarkably unusual folks myself.

You should at least be open to the fact that it might be possible, IMO.

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