Another betting scheme
In preparation for my upcoming trip, I am working on another betting scheme.
The current way I play is to mostly play across with the Buy 4,5,9,10, and the place 6,8.
I will play $64, $128, or $180, depending on the bankroll. So few people seem to be making points lately, that I have almost stopped betting the pass line, except for my roll. However, even on good rolls, I end up with a lot of money on the table for the 7 out, due to presses. But, if you don't press, you don't make money.
We also talk a lot about how the long grind will wear you down, and the house will win. So I am trying to turn this around.
I have decided that my better chance is to look for a quick strike, early in the roll, and then exist until the inevitable 7 out. Since I believe the average roll is 8 throws, I need my money off the table well before then.
I have 2 different schemes, one with 7 out protection, and one without.
The straight play is:
Option: Bet the PL. Take full odds.
Bet $720 across ($120 on each number. I get to Buy the 4,5,9,10 Vig on win only).
Take All of the bets down if;
You have won two of them, OR
if the shooter has thrown the dice 4 times.
So, you are basically playing to make ~$300 on 2 of the shooter's first 4 rolls.
Obviously, the immediate PSO is a killer, but many times you will get the 2 hits, and your money is safely back in the rack.
Discipline is KEY. You have to pull the bets back.
I will then just ride the PL with odds for that shooter, OR, in lieu of the PL bet, I may just place the 6,8 for $30 each to get a little action.
It doesn't make sense to put $180 across yet, as it just chews up the $300 you won from the first 2 hits.
$2000 Buy in busts about 50% of the time, but 30% of the time shows a decent win.
Once you get to any of the levels below, you can start putting up $180 across, to replace the Big Bets you take down.
If I get to $4000, then I start betting $240 each number ($1,440 across). Pays ($280, $348, or $468) each hit.
If I get to $5000, then it is $300 on each number ($1,800 across). Pays ($350, $435, or $585) each hit.
If I can get to $10,000, then it is $600 on each number ($3,600 across). Pays ($700, $870, or $1,170) each hit.
Once the PSO hits me, then I pocket anything over $2,000 and start over with a 2K buyin. (This keeps me from playing a big win back to a $2000 loss).
RISK of RUIN is very high with this scheme, but you can make some good wins.
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The 7 out hedge I have mentioned before. I really like the play, and the WinCraps sims have shown this to be a decent system, but it is nightmare to try and play.
Bet 5 of the numbers across, and Lay the sixth number so the WIN amount covers your other 5 bets, plus the cost of the Vig, and another $20 or so, in case of a 7 out.
Suppose you bet $60 on the 4,5,6,8,9. That is $300
So you need to Lay the 10 for $680. (300 to cover your bets, 17 to cover the vig, leaving, $23 win on a 7 out).
Less Lay is required if you feel okay with Laying the 5,9 or even the 6,8. I am not comfortable with any of those numbers.
Same rules as above.
Play for 2 hits, and everything comes down.
This system has a high rate of wins, BUT, if your Lay bet is hit, it really hurts.
It is nice though, in that you pocket a $23 win on PSO, or number, then PSO.
I will be looking for the right table and the right feeling to hit me to put this strategy into play. I just need to get past the first 4 shooters without a 7 out, to give me a bit of bankroll cushion.
Do you think you can pick six shooters who will not 7 out in their first 4 throws? I hope I can. LOL
If you want to take a variable number of points, bet the line bet if the last roll is greater than some number between 2 and 12 to decide how much money on average you want to have in play.
You still get the math advantage and the volatility, but you avoid the extremities of the sharp downs (on the don'ts) and having to wade through to get to the sharp ups (on the do's).
Effectively you are using randomness to smooth out the sharp edges of the straightforward do or don't. One has a sharp up edge (the do's) and the other has a sharp down edge (the don'ts).
Use this strategy (and always work all odds on the comeout) and you will kill the surprise losses (on the don'ts) and no longer have to have a superman bankroll (on the do's) to last until you get that big win on the do's.
Take a hit or two, then s-l-o-w-l-y begin to spread out, basically alternating between hit and bet.
No, it ain't the bees' knees, but it isn't super aggressive and has potential on a good roll.
Quote: RaleighCraps
Take All of the bets down if;
You have won two of them, OR
if the shooter has thrown the dice 4 times.
Leaving out all your other details, I've seen a lot of people play this way, usually with the pass line bet as well. Place all the other points, two winners or even one/two tosses of the dice, and all the place bets down. They don't appear to be having fun and while some win and some lose, it seems to take the fun out of the game. If you are playing to win and willing to walk away verses starting again, go for it. If fun involved, forget such a system. Much easier just to say "press" one unit until you notice all your money swept away.
Quote: NokTangQuote: RaleighCraps
Take All of the bets down if;
You have won two of them, OR
if the shooter has thrown the dice 4 times.
Leaving out all your other details, I've seen a lot of people play this way, usually with the pass line bet as well. Place all the other points, two winners or even one/two tosses of the dice, and all the place bets down. They don't appear to be having fun and while some win and some lose, it seems to take the fun out of the game. If you are playing to win and willing to walk away verses starting again, go for it. If fun involved, forget such a system. Much easier just to say "press" one unit until you notice all your money swept away.
Thanks NokTang.
Playing across, and pressing some on each hit is what I have been doing, but as you noted, even on a great roll, I see a lot of my money swept away on the eventual 7 out. On the great rolls, I make a couple g's, and lose about 1 g that is on the table. What I want to do is 'hopefully', have very little on the table when those 7 outs hit.
That is a very interesting observation about watching people play for a couple of hits, taking it down, and not appearing to be having any fun. The only thing I can imagine is they are probably stuck pretty bad, and are playing with their last bit of funds. Not a good combo, for sure. But thanks for the comment. I will try to be cognizant of my demeanor if I get a chance to play this scheme.
I think my greater problem is going to be not wanting to take all my action down after 2 hits, and instead try to reduce it to $180 across. However, lots of WinCraps games shows me reducing to $180 across, instead of removing it all, really hurts the bottom line. The bust out numbers are increased much higher than I would have imagined. When I just play the strategy without the hyper-drive, there are many times I take down the big bet, put $180 across, and watch a 7 out come right away, or after 1 or 2 numbers. That wipes out one of the 2 Big Bet hits.
So I will need to find something for action. The field is 2x/2x, so it is only for an occasional play. I may just do a $10 CB every time, with no odds. That way, an early 7 out, after I have pulled the big bet down, costs me very little, and worst case, I could have $50 out on the table, which is still not bad. This certainly would not be quite as exciting as pressing the bets on a hot roll, but if I can click off an average of a $200 win on each shooter, I think that will dull my pain. :-)
Quote: RaleighCrapsbut if I can click off an average of a $200 win on each shooter, I think that will dull my pain. :-)
Yes, that would be fun. I miss playing craps, it's been ten years but the game hasn't changed.
The other "common" plays in your basic outlines I used to see, assume still goes on, is guys(never gals) placing the six and eight without a pass/DP bet and taking them down after one or the other hits. These types are often playing big money(to me that means $600.usd on each upwards) and for whatever reason, walked away quickly win or lose. The number of rolls before you take the bets down is key as you mentioned. We don't know what number actually is "best" as each roll of course independent of the last one plus. I guess they think changing tables each attempt works for them.
When you do take the bets down it has to be painful to hang around and see them hit time and time again so walking away almost makes sense?
Quote: AhighHere's an idea for a betting scheme that might help you out. If the last roll is even, bet the don't pass/DC. If the last roll is odd, bet the passline/come. Always take or lay full odds.
If you want to take a variable number of points, bet the line bet if the last roll is greater than some number between 2 and 12 to decide how much money on average you want to have in play.
You still get the math advantage and the volatility, but you avoid the extremities of the sharp downs (on the don'ts) and having to wade through to get to the sharp ups (on the do's).
Effectively you are using randomness to smooth out the sharp edges of the straightforward do or don't. One has a sharp up edge (the do's) and the other has a sharp down edge (the don'ts).
Use this strategy (and always work all odds on the comeout) and you will kill the surprise losses (on the don'ts) and no longer have to have a superman bankroll (on the do's) to last until you get that big win on the do's.
Hi AHigh.
I can't tell if you are being serious or not, but in any event, there are two problems I have with this scheme.
The first is, I am pretty much only a Right way player. I will switch if a table is stone cold, but I just can't get into the game that way. I become that typical middle aged craps player who is wearing a frown, and is scowling even when the 7 out wins his three DC bets.
The second thing is, personally I find making a bet based solely on the previous number rolled to be without reason. If you find it meaningful, more power to you.
I know my scheme is mostly irrational as well, but I at least fall back on the fact that I am using the math that the average shooter throws the dice 8 times. If I can just manage to avoid losing big on the people who go PSO (including my own self at times) I have a shot at a positive session.
I run 100 games in WinCraps at a time. $2000 Buy in, game ends when my BR is less than $200, or after 4 hours (480 rolls). I have done this 30 or so times. EVERY one of them has had at least one game where I win >$30,000. Of course, the SD is >11 for that win. LOL But it happens each time.
I just need to hit that 1% chance on my trip.
Quote: RaleighCrapsIn preparation for my upcoming trip....
I can't even remember where you said you would be going to this time, but my guess would have to be Biloxi. My wife and I will be at Cherokee a week from tonight.
Quote: NokTangYes, that would be fun. I miss playing craps, it's been ten years but the game hasn't changed.
The other "common" plays in your basic outlines I used to see, assume still goes on, is guys(never gals) placing the six and eight without a pass/DP bet and taking them down after one or the other hits. These types are often playing big money(to me that means $600.usd on each upwards) and for whatever reason, walked away quickly win or lose. The number of rolls before you take the bets down is key as you mentioned. We don't know what number actually is "best" as each roll of course independent of the last one plus. I guess they think changing tables each attempt works for them.
When you do take the bets down it has to be painful to hang around and see them hit time and time again so walking away almost makes sense?
This is the ultimate in the strike quick strategy that I am trying to exploit. The point is to not let the house edge erode you away. If I lived near a casino, I could see myself doing something like this. Yes, staying at the table and watching 5 more 6s or 8s come up while you have no money on the table would be hard to take. BUT, you have to have the fortitude to know that IF you left the money on the table every shooter, you would lose far more than you would have just won on that one shooter. So, make the bet, hit it, and take the money and run is a sound plan.
Since I am travelling on comp'd junkets, I also have to be mindful of my playing time. I need to log a few 4 hour sessions to keep those free rooms and flights coming. The trick is to log the long session, but not have a losing session.
My blog on December 4th will have the details, either glory or gory...............
Quote: DocI can't even remember where you said you would be going to this time, but my guess would have to be Biloxi. My wife and I will be at Cherokee a week from tonight.
Yes, Beau Rivage this time, with some IP and we want to check out the non-smoking Palace casino as well.
My November free table play offers went down from the October levels (last I was there was in March) and I was bummed out. But then my December offers came in last week, and they WENT BACK UP! IP had been sending me $50, but for December they sent me $100. First time I saw that much from them. The Grand sent me $80, and I got $300 from the Beau. I will have about $500 in free chips to run through.
So far, I have not received anything from Cherokee, other than my big win. :-D
We will have to meet out there next time you go. I am looking forward to going again, but I have been laying low trying to keep my BR high for the upcoming Beau trip.
Perhaps a mid December trip, or if not, a January weekend trip is highly likely.
You might consider regressing your bets substantially.
Then again, you could come down completely and focus only on hard way bets until the next series.
Quote: RaleighCrapsHi AHigh.
I can't tell if you are being serious or not, but in any event, there are two problems I have with this scheme.
The first is, I am pretty much only a Right way player. I will switch if a table is stone cold, but I just can't get into the game that way. I become that typical middle aged craps player who is wearing a frown, and is scowling even when the 7 out wins his three DC bets.
The second thing is, personally I find making a bet based solely on the previous number rolled to be without reason. If you find it meaningful, more power to you.
I know my scheme is mostly irrational as well, but I at least fall back on the fact that I am using the math that the average shooter throws the dice 8 times. If I can just manage to avoid losing big on the people who go PSO (including my own self at times) I have a shot at a positive session.
I run 100 games in WinCraps at a time. $2000 Buy in, game ends when my BR is less than $200, or after 4 hours (480 rolls). I have done this 30 or so times. EVERY one of them has had at least one game where I win >$30,000. Of course, the SD is >11 for that win. LOL But it happens each time.
I just need to hit that 1% chance on my trip.
Yeah, I'm serious. A problem that I notice is that most people don't understand that betting the do's with max odds is a system where most bets lose, and betting the don'ts with max odds is a system where most bets win. The way that they figure it out is when they have ALL of their money on the felt, and one roll later they are done playing.
Especially people who understand edges primarily as a function of a good bet without considering risk of ruin (by factoring in the chance of winning) .. if you alternate the come/DC every other roll, you are way less likely to lose than either the do side or the don't side.
I have never used this strategy myself, but I am pretty sure that you will prevent from getting knocked out as quickly as betting either the do or the don't side alone. You will be less likely to have a huge quick win than betting the do side, and you will be less likely to win a reasonable amount with fewer rolls of the dice compared to the don't side. You will be far more likely to see the house edge sooner than either the do side or the don't side of betting. Just my intuition speaking, but I'm pretty certain that I'm right.
If you don't like using the dice to decide the do or don't side, alternate each time. Same result in the long run, and maybe more consistent protection in the short run.
That average of 8.5 rolls per shooter comes from a distribution (that is NOT normal) whereQuote: RaleighCrapsbut I at least fall back on the fact that I am using the math that the average shooter throws the dice 8 times.
1 in 3 shooters
7out by the 4th roll
and
50% (the median)
7out by the 6th roll.
NOT 50% by 8 rolls.
On average, 63 out of 100 shooters (63%)
NEVER make it past 8 rolls. They 7out by the 8th roll
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/1886-world-records-in-craps/4/#post154846
Length of a shooters hand thread (random and DI)
Good Luck in picking those shooters that can give you 2 place bet winners every time!
Quote: AhighYeah, I'm serious. A problem that I notice is that most people don't understand that betting the do's with max odds is a system where most bets lose, and betting the don'ts with max odds is a system where most bets win. The way that they figure it out is when they have ALL of their money on the felt, and one roll later they are done playing.
Especially people who understand edges primarily as a function of a good bet without considering risk of ruin (by factoring in the chance of winning) .. if you alternate the come/DC every other roll, you are way less likely to lose than either the do side or the don't side.
I have never used this strategy myself, but I am pretty sure that you will prevent from getting knocked out as quickly as betting either the do or the don't side alone. You will be less likely to have a huge quick win than betting the do side, and you will be less likely to win a reasonable amount with fewer rolls of the dice compared to the don't side. You will be far more likely to see the house edge sooner than either the do side or the don't side of betting. Just my intuition speaking, but I'm pretty certain that I'm right.
If you don't like using the dice to decide the do or don't side, alternate each time. Same result in the long run, and maybe more consistent protection in the short run.
Ah, now I understand what you were saying before. This is a little twist on the doey-don't, except I'm not exactly opposite of my bets. In a perfect time I would have 3 CB w odds up, and 3 DC w odds up on the other 3 numbers. And hopefully my CBs will hit again, while the shooter never throws my DC numbers. Eventually the shooter 7 outs, and I win the DC bets, while losing any Come bets, for a net wash, but plenty of 'action'.......
I wonder if they would give you credit for the $60 in base bets on a $10 table, or if they would hold it against you for having 1/2 of the action on each side of the line.
Quote: 7crapsThat average of 8.5 rolls per shooter comes from a distribution (that is NOT normal) where
1 in 3 shooters
7out by the 4th roll
and
50% (the median)
7out by the 6th roll.
NOT 50% by 8 rolls.
On average, 63 out of 100 shooters (63%)
NEVER make it past 8 rolls. They 7out by the 8th roll
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/1886-world-records-in-craps/4/#post154846
Length of a shooters hand thread (random and DI)
Good Luck in picking those shooters that can give you 2 place bet winners every time!
Yikes, 1 in 3 shooters 7s out by the 4th roll. But hey, that means 2 out of 3 shooters are still alive after the 4th roll. Still thinking positive thoughts. ;-)
It's not so much about the 2 winners. It is much more about not losing the big bets to the 7 out. I know I can't avoid the PSO. It is bound to happen at some point. I just need it to happen after a few winning shooters, instead of PSO right out of the gate.
Thanks 7craps for your numbers and the sanity check against my wild exuberance. At 2,000 buy in, this still busts out 50% of the time. I need to go up to about 4,000 to get that number down around 25%, but that is not a number I am willing to put up. So the RoR is really high with this. We shall see what happens.......
I'm almost sure I know a couple guys who bet like you...they have large bankrolls and I'm dead serious when I say, the dealers WANT them to lose...QUICKLY unless they're tipping multiple reds/greens....
When they're at the table, I'll bet the don't, and I swear I've won 9/10 times that way...
Also could just be JAN is a mitt joint..
Quote: TIMSPEEDI got a tip for you Raleigh....tip BIG!
I'm almost sure I know a couple guys who bet like you...they have large bankrolls and I'm dead serious when I say, the dealers WANT them to lose...QUICKLY unless they're tipping multiple reds/greens....
When they're at the table, I'll bet the don't, and I swear I've won 9/10 times that way...
Also could just be JAN is a mitt joint..
Why would the dealers be against them? At $640 across (the more normal amount), are they the biggest bettors?
Is it because the dealers get tired of putting the action up across, and then taking it down 2-4 rolls later? If this is going to annoy the dealers, I may scrap it. That is one of the biggest reasons why I gave up on the Lay coverage bet. Too hard to set up and take down all the time.
Or are these bettors just general jerks?
I have noticed I have been putting WAY TOO much up for the dealers recently. Averaging $5 PL with $25 odds once an hour is too high for what I have been winning.
Quote: RaleighCrapsWhy would the dealers be against them? At $640 across (the more normal amount), are they the biggest bettors?
Is it because the dealers get tired of putting the action up across, and then taking it down 2-4 rolls later? If this is going to annoy the dealers, I may scrap it. That is one of the biggest reasons why I gave up on the Lay coverage bet. Too hard to set up and take down all the time.
Or are these bettors just general jerks?
I have noticed I have been putting WAY TOO much up for the dealers recently. Averaging $5 PL with $25 odds once an hour is too high for what I have been winning.
No, I mean, they bet like you to now...buy all the numbers and press semi-aggressively...
Ask almost any crap dealer (sans the few that are on this forum) OUTSIDE of a crap game, and they'll tell you..if you're better multiple greens, then you better have multiple reds up there for the "hard workers"...
Most crap dealers actually think I am a crap dealer myself...so I hear the "real talk"..its mostly jealousy, really...
"if you've got that much money to just BLOW, then how about giving us most of it..."
case in point, I have a friend who plays small...but literally, every win he gets "for the boys"...he plays for about an hour or two and cashes out about even...he gets all the same stuff I do (VIP treatment wise) and I play $1 VP!! A LOT!
Quote: RaleighCrapsWhy would the dealers be against them?
I suspect that dealers view this action as requiring more work on their part than they wish to provide for an individual player. It is very slightly related to that situation I described from my previous visit to Cherokee, where one player was putting a lot of obscure bets up and down repeatedly and overloading a novice dealer, slowing the game. If the dealers are experienced, they shouldn't object to handling whatever bets a player wants to make, but they might not like it, and it might make them wish the player would lose and go away, or at least go away.
Gee, can I get a refund on my dice setting school tuition ?
Quote: BuzzardWell, you have convinced me. Dice setting can not work , because the dealers control the dice through negative thoughts.
Gee, can I get a refund on my dice setting school tuition ?
Good point, and I was just thinking...I don't care what the dealers think about my action. They can go to Gaza and make rockets if they are so smart and shoot them at the soldiers waiting at the border since much closer.....lastly, the worry about being rated properly or fairly should not impact your play either. That is why I started just staying off strip or paying my own room and food. It's about winning and having fun doing so. It's not about making dealers and the casino and the junket salespeople happy.
Quote: NokTangGood point, and I was just thinking...I don't care what the dealers think about my action. They can go to Gaza and make rockets if they are so smart and shoot them at the soldiers waiting at the border since much closer.....lastly, the worry about being rated properly or fairly should not impact your play either. That is why I started just staying off strip or paying my own room and food. It's about winning and having fun doing so. It's not about making dealers and the casino and the junket salespeople happy.
Well, I can understand your thoughts on the ratings, but for me personally, I have to disagree.
I get 2 free flights, and a free room, at a very nice casino. The air travel alone is at least a $400 value.
The rack rate for the room is $229, but I would never pay that, so I don't count any value for the room.
I will get between $100-$200 in food credits for 3 days of play.
All told, I have about $500 in free table play chips to play through this trip. I never seem to win with them, but this time will be different. :-)
I also got a free play on their private golf course, Fallen Oak, which is rated number one in MS. It was an AWESOME experience. I didn't rate a limo to the course though, and the taxi cost my buddy and I $90 each way... Guess the golf wasn't totally free.... LOL
You are correct though, it is not worth playing a losing game, just to earn comps. But generally, you can manage to earn comps and not give up much.
The worst play I have ever done was bet my free play chips on the Big 6/Big 8. You can only play them on an even money bet, and I was tired of losing them on the PL and DP, so I decided to play $25 free play on the Big 6. Lost one, and won one. :-)
Quote: RaleighCrapslso got a free play on their private golf course, Fallen Oak, which is rated number one in MS. It was an AWESOME experience. I didn't rate a limo to the course though, and the taxi cost my buddy and I $90 each way... Guess the golf wasn't totally free.... LOL
I always ask stupid questions, so please forgive me....Why didn't you rent a car? If the answer is "we were drinking", warmest regards and thanks.
The one night "junkets" I asked about elsewhere are okay with me of course, but three nights would be too much pressure. I was referring more to Las Vegas, Reno, and Lake Tahoe re comps. As you well know, Mississippi and Tunica are basically very inexpensive anyhow and at the time, close to home. It's strange how we change as we age, since I'm only a $25.usd flat player and you indicated junkets are looking for closer to $100.usd average, I'll have to stick with Las Vegas and Reno and pay my own way. I'd never go to AC on my own but that's because I'm scared to be outside there at night(not that there's any reason to go outside).
Quote: RaleighCrapsYou can only play them on an even money bet, and I was tired of losing them on the PL and DP, so I decided to play $25 free play on the Big 6. Lost one, and won one. :-)
Perhaps you answered some place, but could you please tell us why you don't play them equally on PL and DP or Red and Black in roulette so as to get an almost sure 50percent in cash?(back up twelve and zero with cash chip)
is the $720 working on the passline roll?
if not, why duplicate your pass bet with a place/buy bet after the point is set?
you're doing this for comps/free junkets.
What do they rate you for? And do they lower it once they figure out your pattern of taking down your $720 across after 2 hits, leaving only the pass/max odds + $30 6/8?
Quote: NokTangPerhaps you answered some place, but could you please tell us why you don't play them equally on PL and DP or Red and Black in roulette so as to get an almost sure 50percent in cash?(back up twelve and zero with cash chip)
Because I am greedy and want to win ALL of the free play.
Quote: 100xOddspass/max odds + $720 across?!
is the $720 working on the passline roll?
if not, why duplicate your pass bet with a place/buy bet after the point is set?
you're doing this for comps/free junkets.
What do they rate you for? And do they lower it once they figure out your pattern of taking down your $720 across after 2 hits, leaving only the pass/max odds + $30 6/8?
This is a new strategy for me to try out. I will do $720 when others are shooting, and I have no Pass bet. If I have a PL bet, then it will be $600 across.
If I win a few of the bets, it will go to $1,440, and then I will start betting a couple of $30 numbers.
Yes, I would expect this may drop the rating a bit, but if it puts cash in my pocket, then I will be able to play longer, and play more conventional $180 across.
Other posters are right that its rather boring and tedious. Personally 4/10 $10 then $25 buy is a bit more exciting.
I don't know whether it is lady luck smiling on me, or the expected change in fortune from my 2 year slump, or due to my new positive chi outlook, but whatever the cause, I am liking it (for the most part). I was able to get my stick R1 or stick L1 position at almost every table, and I shot poorly. Avoided PSO for the most part, but could not make an 8 point to save my hide. Three straight rolls were the 8 point, and three straight no point rolls. But I pounded the heck out of the 5s on those rolls. I then set the 5 point, and of course, then could not hit it either. I had a few quick 3 and 4 point rolls, and made a few TALL/SMALL rolls, but nothing big.
The good news was, since I always seem to have at least one really good roll, I knew I still had one coming. I got it Sunday night, after I decided to go back to my old position next to the dealer, to the boxman's right. I was betting mostly $10 PL and taking $100 in odds. Then betting $150 across, since the 5/9 are Buy bets. The shooter after me also had a very good roll, and I was up over 4k between our 2 rolls. Coincidentally that is the bankroll number that WinCraps has been showing me is needed to play my $1000+ across for 2 bets, with regression scheme, and have a reasonable shot at not busting out.
There were only 5 or 6 of us playing (amazing for a hot table), so the dice came back to me soon enough. $10 PL point was NINE. I bet $100 odds, and then bet $1080 across (200,200,240,240,0,200). First roll was 8 (+280). Second roll 4 (+390). Regress everything to $150 across. However, what I had not counted on was how much the nerves or pure adrenaline would affect me. It completely blew the nice calm state I get in when I am shooting good. The roll ended soon, but I was positive, due to the +670 for the big bet.
The dice come back around to me, and this time I set a point of EIGHT. So $1040 across. PSO!
You have GOT TO BE KIDDING me. I have had maybe 4 PSO in 50 or 60 new shoots up to this point (I played a lot by myself, so I racked up a lot of first roll shoots).
Okay, that hurt, but I knew it was probably going to happen at some point, but had hoped not that soon. But the 4k bankroll can handle that,so I soldier on. I decide to play more normal the next roll, and it is okay, so when the dice come back, I again bet $1040 across. First roll is a 9 (+290). Second roll is 7 (-1040). UH OH.
Three big bets, and I got one each of the three possible results. No hits, One hit, and Two hits and down. But I was not willing to blow the rest of the whole 4k profit on trying this anymore this session.
I still think this is going to work, BUT, I need to learn to trust enough to put the bet up on other shooters, or I need to figure out how to control my nerves so the bet amount does not affect me. Playing a $5 game would help a lot, since my big bet would drop to $520, and that would be easier to deal with. Although, I did make 4 other $540 across bets later that night, and lost 2 of those to an immediate PSO, so maybe not. Out of the 10 or so PSOs I had over 22 hours of craps, many of them showed up when I decided to make a bigger than normal bet. I will need to work on this little hurdle.
The dealers did not have a problem with me doing the bet, but I think that was due to;
A. There were only myself and at times one or two other players on my side of the table
B. On my hot roll, my buddy and I were betting $5 with $20-$50 odds for the dealers, and I was hitting the points. So they put about $400 in the toke box.
I guess that buys some good will. I know it helped my average bet rating. I will relay that story in another thread.
