All Tall/Small Bet
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September 30th, 2012 at 4:26:27 AM
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Does anyone have an updated list of the casinos in Las Vegas that offer this bet? I couldn't find it on the site. I know Aria, Bellagio and Wynn offer it. Any one else? Any one downtown?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:59:40 AM
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From my website:
* Sam's Town
* Wynn
* Palms
* Aria
* Mandalay Bay
* New York, New York
* Golden Nugget
* Bellagio
* Sam's Town
* Wynn
* Palms
* Aria
* Mandalay Bay
* New York, New York
* Golden Nugget
* Bellagio
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September 30th, 2012 at 12:50:15 PM
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Quote: HardAcesDoes anyone have an updated list of the casinos in Las Vegas that offer this bet? I couldn't find it on the site. I know Aria, Bellagio and Wynn offer it. Any one else? Any one downtown?
I know you're looking specifically at Vegas, but also look for the terminology "Bonus Craps." This is how Hollywood Tunica describes the All/Tall/Small bets. Last time I was there, I would have rolled an All/Tall/Small myself, and I think two or three other shooters hit those as well.
"One out of every four people are [morons]"- Kyle, South Park
September 30th, 2012 at 1:09:33 PM
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Galaxy is the owner of this bet as far as I know and they are trying to promote it as "Bonus Craps".
See the link here for their page on the side bet: Bonus_Craps
See the link here for their page on the side bet: Bonus_Craps
September 30th, 2012 at 5:28:21 PM
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Patent number 7175526 is the first reference I know of to this terminology and bet.
Hop Bets Inc, sold the Fire Bet to ShuffleMaster about a year ago, and that's when everyone started switching.
The sale of the Fire Bet likely led to conditions that allowed casinos to terminate their contract to pay for the fire bet and they got better deals from this bet (total guess, on my part and not fact!)
http://www.google.com/patents/US7175526?pg=PA27&dq=7175526&hl=en&sa=X&ei=y-JoUJTeFYOjigKRp4DwDg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA
http://ir.shufflemaster.com/Investors/News-and-Press/Press-Releases/Press-Release-Details/2012/Shuffle-Master-Inc-Acquires-Fire-Bet1127866/default.aspx
The former floor manager at Mandalay Bay, Perry Stasi invented the fire bet, and managed the operational revenue for a while. If I were to guess, ShuffleMaster got the short end of the stick on this transaction judging from how many places are reducing or dropping the fire bet in favor of the All's.
Hop Bets Inc, sold the Fire Bet to ShuffleMaster about a year ago, and that's when everyone started switching.
The sale of the Fire Bet likely led to conditions that allowed casinos to terminate their contract to pay for the fire bet and they got better deals from this bet (total guess, on my part and not fact!)
http://www.google.com/patents/US7175526?pg=PA27&dq=7175526&hl=en&sa=X&ei=y-JoUJTeFYOjigKRp4DwDg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA
http://ir.shufflemaster.com/Investors/News-and-Press/Press-Releases/Press-Release-Details/2012/Shuffle-Master-Inc-Acquires-Fire-Bet1127866/default.aspx
The former floor manager at Mandalay Bay, Perry Stasi invented the fire bet, and managed the operational revenue for a while. If I were to guess, ShuffleMaster got the short end of the stick on this transaction judging from how many places are reducing or dropping the fire bet in favor of the All's.
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September 30th, 2012 at 8:08:09 PM
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Thanks for the info. I don't remember it being at Golden Nugget but I haven't been there for a while. Is it a relatively new addition there?
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:13:29 PM
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I have been going to the GN since 2003 and have never seen it there unless they just placed it on one table in the last few months.Quote: HardAcesThanks for the info. I don't remember it being at Golden Nugget but I haven't been there for a while. Is it a relatively new addition there?
Thanks again.
Their pit has 5 craps tables.
The GN used to have 6x8x10x odds. They took that one down.
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
September 30th, 2012 at 8:22:18 PM
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I saw it at the Golden Nugget myself last time I went which was less than two months ago. It's definitely new there.
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September 30th, 2012 at 10:04:38 PM
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Quote: AhighIf I were to guess, ShuffleMaster got the short end of the stick on this transaction judging from how many places are reducing or dropping the fire bet in favor of the All's.
Whether they got the short end of the stick or not is debatable for sure, but I wouldn't say people are "dropping" the Fire Bet in place of Bonus Craps...
CET properties still tend to cling onto Fire Bet, and I'd say roughly half of the places I've seen offer the bet nowadays. I've only seen Bonus Craps at two places: River City in St Louis, and Hollywood Casino in Tunica. I've seen Sharp Shooter at as many places (Rising Star in Indiana and Rhythm City in Iowa).
I think nearly every CET property that is allowed to offer the Fire Bet (gaming regulations sometimes have a say in this) does offer the bet. That's 40 properties at least. I've seen it way more places than that too...
"One out of every four people are [morons]"- Kyle, South Park
September 9th, 2021 at 5:58:35 AM
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Red Rock Casino, part of Stations Casinos, has replaced Bonus Craps with something called Dice *****.
Frankly I couldn't read the graphic on the tables so I wrote Dice *****. I will tell you this: this side bet has the same rules and the same payout as Bonus Craps.
All of the craps layouts have been changed.
Do you think someone is trying to avoid paying fees to the owner of Bonus Craps?
Frankly I couldn't read the graphic on the tables so I wrote Dice *****. I will tell you this: this side bet has the same rules and the same payout as Bonus Craps.
All of the craps layouts have been changed.
Do you think someone is trying to avoid paying fees to the owner of Bonus Craps?
September 9th, 2021 at 7:25:37 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonDo you think someone is trying to avoid paying fees to the owner of Bonus Craps?
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Yes. It's my amateur legal opinion that the Bilski decision states that non-tangible ideas like a casino game can't be patented. The name of the game can be protected, but as I understand it, there is nothing to stop someone from copying a game exactly, as long as it doesn't have proprietary equipment, as long as you change the name.
This topic has been discussed before.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
September 9th, 2021 at 8:42:50 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonRed Rock Casino, part of Stations Casinos, has replaced Bonus Craps with something called Dice *****.
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Frankly I couldn't read the graphic on the tables so I wrote Dice *****. I will tell you this: this side bet has the same rules and the same payout as Bonus Craps.
All of the craps layouts have been changed.
Do you think someone is trying to avoid paying fees to the owner of Bonus Craps?
Probably. Unfortunately, entire games have been essentially copycatted within the last several years...not just side bets.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
September 9th, 2021 at 9:54:01 AM
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Quote: WizardQuote: AlanMendelsonDo you think someone is trying to avoid paying fees to the owner of Bonus Craps?
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Yes. It's my amateur legal opinion that the Bilski decision states that non-tangible ideas like a casino game can't be patented. The name of the game can be protected, but as I understand it, there is nothing to stop someone from copying a game exactly, as long as it doesn't have proprietary equipment, as long as you change the name.
This topic has been discussed before.link to original post
So I shouldn't bother with my side bet idea for Craps?
