Player threatened to be kicked out of Casino because he is watching a "Whale" play Craps!

Quote: RaleighCraps

This is how my free play at Beau Rivage (MGM) works. I had $120 in Free Play for the second 1/2 of November. When I went to the cage, they gave me 5, $25 promotional chips. They are much bigger than normal chips. I can bet them on any even money bet, like the pass line. If the bet wins, they take the promotional chip, and replace it with a real $25 chip. The nice thing with craps is I can still make a $250 odds bet behind the promotional chip, essentially giving me a completely free $250 odds bet.

I had $100 in promotional chips available at TI, I believe it was. They were oversized. I was not limited in what I could bet them on, and they paid in equal value, they were not replaced, i.e. I bet the Iron Cross, adding $10 of my own money on the 6 &8. IIRC, the shooter hit the field twice before sevening out, and I received $50 for those two field bets. They did not replace the promotional chips with the green chips, they paid them off as equal money.

I have yet to win my bet using a free bet coupon, so I don't know if they are truly worth equal or half value. The places that give me free bet coupons also give me free cash, so I'm not sure why they'd be misleading on one offer when every other offer is so straightforward.

Quote: Ahigh

I have never even BOTHERED to play the free slots there because I don't play slots.

Not even video poker?

Quote: Ahigh

But the point that I am trying to make is that there are still people who don't already have opinions that go through this for the first time. If those people walked away with a better impression of Las Vegas as a sort of straightforward city where a bet is a bet is a bet, and when you get a free one, it's as much like a real as possible, I think the city would be better off.

If you're talking about the mailers and other offers to players, then they are most likely not going "through this for the first time." If you're talking about things like the coupon books given away by airlines, check-in desks and the like, it probably doesn't matter to those novices. If it's books like Las Vegas Advisor or American Casino Guide, then chances are that the customers have a very good idea about what they're getting. And if they do not, they should learn the facts fast.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Not even video poker?

I am a lifetime winner on video poker, but I haven't put more than $100 total into all the machines I have ever played.

I have played video poker on video poker dot com.

Also, I work for IGT. So I play all the newest slots downstairs for free whenever I want to for free.

Quote: SanchoPanza

If you're talking about the mailers and other offers to players, then they are most likely not going "through this for the first time." If you're talking about things like the coupon books given away by airlines, check-in desks and the like, it probably doesn't matter to those novices. If it's books like Las Vegas Advisor or American Casino Guide, then chances are that the customers have a very good idea about what they're getting. And if they do not, they should learn the facts fast.

Just to remind you, my point isn't that I can't deal with this. It's that I think the way these things are marketed overall reduces the positive experiences for people who visit. Gambling revenue is what this town is after, plain and simple. In general, I think the only people who even deserve free coupons are people who generally don't yet gamble because they are afraid to risk their money and/or who have absolute certainty in their mind that they will lose based on not having any experience.

The problem that I have isn't my personal ability to deal with this stuff. The problem that I have is that I think the way it's marketed sucks and reflects poorly on the town as a whole.

If gambling were perceived by non-gamblers as something that is fair where you have a great chance to win, and people who visited and gambled for the first time weren't generally raped as a matter of normal operating procedure, then I wouldn't be saying anything at all.

I'm making broad general strokes about how Las Vegas doesn't even care about its image with regards to taking and making fair bets, whether using coupons, or just encouraging players to make large put bets on the point when it's a 4 or a 10 (which by the way I see a lot at Binions for some reason -- absolute image of desperation among the pit!!!).

I feel similarly about how Mexicans flick little cards at tourists .. even families with children. It's just not something that I am proud of with regards to how Las Vegas portrays its image to visitors. Those who think I'm complaining for receiving free stuff that I can't figure out are missing the point that I am trying to make.