My Blackjack System - Advice Needed
March 18th, 2012 at 1:32:59 PM
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My Goals:
1. Drop the casino house advantage to zero. I do not need to obtain a player advantage.
2. Obtain comps.
3. Not get asked to leave or get 86'd.
4. Have fun.
System:
1. Ran a simulation on CVCX for 200,000,000 rounds.
2. Spread is only 1-2.
3. Requires blackjack tables only found in high limit rooms, minimum bet $100+
4. Simple count required.
5. Large bankroll required.
Quick Summary:
I have come up with a blackjack system which has a 0% house edge (actually a tiny player edge, but extremely small). The bet spread is only 1-2, but requires me playing in high limit rooms for the best blackjack rules. Bankroll is not a problem for me. My goals are to have fun, obtain some comps and most importantly not get 86'd from my favorite casinos. I am doing this more as a challenge for myself, then for any monetary gain. I tend to tip the dealers relatively well and this "loss" is acceptable to me.
My questions:
1. Will my blackjack play get a lot of heat? I will be in a high limit room playing probably $200 to $400 a hand. But my bet spread is tiny for a card counter.
2. Will a casino quickly figure out what I am doing and drop my blackjack comps to zero?
3. Will a casino ask me to leave? Bar me from just blackjack or all other games as well?
4. Any other thoughts or suggestions?
I know we have several dealers, pit staff and casino managers here as well as some advantage players. I would appreciate any advice, thoughts or help.
1. Drop the casino house advantage to zero. I do not need to obtain a player advantage.
2. Obtain comps.
3. Not get asked to leave or get 86'd.
4. Have fun.
System:
1. Ran a simulation on CVCX for 200,000,000 rounds.
2. Spread is only 1-2.
3. Requires blackjack tables only found in high limit rooms, minimum bet $100+
4. Simple count required.
5. Large bankroll required.
Quick Summary:
I have come up with a blackjack system which has a 0% house edge (actually a tiny player edge, but extremely small). The bet spread is only 1-2, but requires me playing in high limit rooms for the best blackjack rules. Bankroll is not a problem for me. My goals are to have fun, obtain some comps and most importantly not get 86'd from my favorite casinos. I am doing this more as a challenge for myself, then for any monetary gain. I tend to tip the dealers relatively well and this "loss" is acceptable to me.
My questions:
1. Will my blackjack play get a lot of heat? I will be in a high limit room playing probably $200 to $400 a hand. But my bet spread is tiny for a card counter.
2. Will a casino quickly figure out what I am doing and drop my blackjack comps to zero?
3. Will a casino ask me to leave? Bar me from just blackjack or all other games as well?
4. Any other thoughts or suggestions?
I know we have several dealers, pit staff and casino managers here as well as some advantage players. I would appreciate any advice, thoughts or help.
March 18th, 2012 at 2:29:12 PM
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Any casino would love you playing under the conditions you layed out. However your spread will not give you an advantage to zero. I will let some of my more knowledgeable colleagues give you the exact numbers.
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March 18th, 2012 at 3:38:24 PM
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1. Depends on the property and the shift. With that small of a spread you should be completely fine. I would actually recommend upping your spread slightly using the progression cover plays from Burning the Tables in Las Vegas. That book in general will be worth the cost to you. Your biggest cover play will be tipping. Most pit/surveillance staff will dismiss you as a threat if you're tipping away all your EV.
2. Depends on your count system and, again, the property and shift. An Ace-5 count can easily fool a floorperson analyzing you based on a Hi-Lo, at least in the short term.
3. If they figure out you're a counter then you're a counter. You'll get treated the same as any other. They most likely won't spend the resources to figure out exactly how big of a threat you are.
4. Place toke bets for the dealers; don't just hand the tips in. That makes them visible for a longer period of time. If you're winning you might want to pocket some $100 cheques to cash out later but don't try this with $500 cheques. If you do pocket chips make sure you're subtle.
2. Depends on your count system and, again, the property and shift. An Ace-5 count can easily fool a floorperson analyzing you based on a Hi-Lo, at least in the short term.
3. If they figure out you're a counter then you're a counter. You'll get treated the same as any other. They most likely won't spend the resources to figure out exactly how big of a threat you are.
4. Place toke bets for the dealers; don't just hand the tips in. That makes them visible for a longer period of time. If you're winning you might want to pocket some $100 cheques to cash out later but don't try this with $500 cheques. If you do pocket chips make sure you're subtle.
March 18th, 2012 at 4:16:37 PM
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Quote: only1choiceAny casino would love you playing under the conditions you layed out. However your spread will not give you an advantage to zero. I will let some of my more knowledgeable colleagues give you the exact numbers.
Perhaps the 200,000,000 rounds of blackjack in this simulation are not enough and I need to run 10 billion rounds or more. I don't mind doing this and may just have to let my computer run overnight or something. All I know is that per CV and the rules I have found at high limit rooms in Las Vegas, I will have a .0004% house edge against the casino using this particular count and a 1-2 spread.
I personally do not even mind if I have a loss, for example caused by tipping the dealers. If you really feel that any casino would love to have me when I only use a 1-2 spread, I would think that is great and play for comps.
March 18th, 2012 at 4:40:46 PM
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Counters don't spread that little so you should be okay at most places. Some will take action simply because a player is winning especially in pitch games. Be very cautious pocketing black chips even in the high limit rooms.
I think you are being overly optimistic in your expectations but I hope you prove me wrong.
I think you are being overly optimistic in your expectations but I hope you prove me wrong.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
March 18th, 2012 at 6:20:30 PM
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My take on it is similar to what the others have said. To me, I would maybe start out with a $200 bet but drop to $100 rather quickly, leading to a 1-4 spread. I would think that gets you 'closer' to break even since you go to a 1-4 spread. Again, all depends on the room and whether they tolerate it.
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