eda21
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January 3rd, 2012 at 7:38:07 AM permalink
I like to play by myself whenever possible, which usually means $50 or $100 tables, depending on how busy things are. However, I prefer automatic shufflers. Are there any casinos, other than Treasure Island, that have automatic shufflers in their high-limit rooms? Thanks!
FleaStiff
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January 3rd, 2012 at 8:34:55 AM permalink
I get confused between automatic shufflers and these devices that are continuous shufflers that feed the "discards" back into the deck all the time.

If you play by yourself, you must always be playing at a rate that is higher than the rate at which you are being comped. Does this make a difference to you? Even in a high limit room there must surely be a difference between an assumed five person table and a one person table's actual rate of play.
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January 3rd, 2012 at 10:46:18 AM permalink
Some people actually prefer the continuous shuffle machines.

Most "blackjack enthusiasts" poo-poo them, however, which is why you almost never see them in high-limit rooms. I do remember seeing them in TI, but nowhere else.
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eda21
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January 3rd, 2012 at 10:58:53 AM permalink
I'm talking about the automatic shufflers, the machines that shuffle 6 decks while the other 6 decks are being played. I'm not concerned about the comp aspect. I know this is unscientific, but the only time I ever have good luck is playing 2 hands (by myself) against the dealer. It really aggravates me when people playing with me make stupid plays and play inconsistently. I know the Wizard would say that they are likely to help you as much as they hurt you, but when you're high up in a betting progression and somebody makes a stupid move that directly costs you hundreds of dollars, it sucks. When their next stupid move is the one that helps you and you're at the table minimum, it's little consolation.

But speaking of the comps, I'm a novice when it comes to them, but I'm pretty happy with what I've gotten based on my play on my last trip. I spent a ton of time in the TI high limit room by myself and got a few buffets and an upgrade to a suite my last night. And when I called to book my next trip, they comped the same type of suite without any hesitation. Any thoughts on comps or working the system are appreciated, though! (I'm guessing there's probably an entirely different forum I can check out regarding this. Feel free to send a private message, though, if you'd like!) Thanks.
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January 3rd, 2012 at 11:08:13 AM permalink
Quote: eda21

But speaking of the comps, I'm a novice when it comes to them, but I'm pretty happy with what I've gotten based on my play on my last trip. I spent a ton of time in the TI high limit room by myself and got a few buffets and an upgrade to a suite my last night. And when I called to book my next trip, they comped the same type of suite without any hesitation. Any thoughts on comps or working the system are appreciated, though! (I'm guessing there's probably an entirely different forum I can check out regarding this. Feel free to send a private message, though, if you'd like!) Thanks.

I think if you play at TI at 2 x $50 or 2 x $100 you should be RFB at least. Ask to see a host, and charge everything to your room. TI does not have many table game players right now so I think they would be more generous. They are privately owned now, and don't have to answer to shareholders, so again, they might be more palmy. Ask about limo transportation too and from the airport as well. Do you have a credit line with them?
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January 3rd, 2012 at 11:32:41 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

Some people actually prefer the continuous shuffle machines.

Most "blackjack enthusiasts" poo-poo them, however, which is why you almost never see them in high-limit rooms. I do remember seeing them in TI, but nowhere else.



For hit and run play, I actually like the continuous shufflers. It's easy to get up after winning a few hands and moving on. In a shoe game, as a courtesy to other players, I either want to play the entire shoe, or wait until the end of one to hop in. I know this is silly from a number standpoint, but I still like to be courteous to other players. And as far as high-limit rooms, I never recall seeing any installed in one. I can't think of a casino that exclusively has continuous shufflers, but that would be the only way I could see high-limit having one.

Quote: eda21

I'm talking about the automatic shufflers, the machines that shuffle 6 decks while the other 6 decks are being played. I'm not concerned about the comp aspect. I know this is unscientific, but the only time I ever have good luck is playing 2 hands (by myself) against the dealer. It really aggravates me when people playing with me make stupid plays and play inconsistently. I know the Wizard would say that they are likely to help you as much as they hurt you, but when you're high up in a betting progression and somebody makes a stupid move that directly costs you hundreds of dollars, it sucks. When their next stupid move is the one that helps you and you're at the table minimum, it's little consolation.



I'd be surprised if you find any Vegas casino with them though. It's a luxury and most high-limit players play in the rooms to have the hand shuffle. I totally get what you're saying about other players making mistakes too. I know, logically, it doesn't make a difference, but if I feel better about the play, I feel better about how things go. The whole point of gambling is to have fun, and if I'm too worried about another person's play, then I'm not having fun.
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January 3rd, 2012 at 12:32:37 PM permalink
At TI, any high limit room play should be getting you RFB status, but don't start doing things just to get comped that can be unwise.

The main casino comp rate is based on there being five players at the table. If there is only one or two players the house edge will be exerting itself against your bank roll at a higher rate than the comp rate is rewarding you. If on the other hand you play at a very crowded table with lots of people who make side bets or ask questions then the rate of play is less but you are still comped as if there were five people at the table.

Now if you really prefer to be alone and not distracted by either what the others do or might do, then that has a very slight effect on the comps you get, whether you are in the main casino or the high limit room.

Frankly, the main thing is to have fun and get a good run for your money. For you, its obvious that fun means a lack of people who split tens or something. So its more important for you to be in a high limit room. (Although I've seen 300.00 games in the main casino and its obvious that guy is playing alone).
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January 3rd, 2012 at 1:27:58 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

In a shoe game, as a courtesy to other players, I either want to play the entire shoe, or wait until the end of one to hop in.

Waiting for a new shoe is not only courteous, but it reduces the likelihood that you'll be thought of as a counter.

Personally, I like the 8 deck hand shuffle. It gives me a chance to run to the mens room and be back without missing a hand, or simply a chance to get up and stretch.
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January 3rd, 2012 at 1:29:06 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff


Frankly, the main thing is to have fun and get a good run for your money. For you, its obvious that fun means a lack of people who split tens or something. So its more important for you to be in a high limit room. (Although I've seen 300.00 games in the main casino and its obvious that guy is playing alone).



That actually reminded me of something you could do to get a table to yourself with an automated shuffler if there are none in the high-limit room: Request the table min be raised. I used to do that all the time in Tunica on DD BJ, usually going from $10 to $25, so it wouldn't tempt some bystander to sit down. I think I have a presence that attracts other players, something I don't understand. A table could be dead for two hours, I'll sit down to play (alone, b/c I like games with few people), and not thirty seconds later the table fills up. Doesn't matter where I'm at, how busy or dead it is in general, I always seem to attract the followers.

Anyways, request a table min to be raised to $50 or $100 min. That's generally a good indication to other players who might be in that level of play not to sit down. In Tunica, they would even allow the requested raiser to grandfather in anybody who wanted to play at the lower level, provided they were already on the table. One time, a guy with his wife/gf/mistress sat down at my table ($5 min). He played fairly well, she wasn't as good, but listened to his advice. After a bit, we had a nice run going. Someone sat down for a few hands, got up and left, and it didn't feel the same until the next shoe. He requested the table to be $50, which he had to maintain, but told the supervisor he wanted me to be at $5. They obliged, and we played for quite some time, enjoying each others company, and doing pretty well to boot.

You might have some luck with that at the low-to-mid-level properties (i.e. Luxor, Bally's, MGM even), but don't expect that same service at the higher end properties. Of course, it never hurts to ask.
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January 3rd, 2012 at 1:33:39 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

I think I have a presence that attracts other players, something I don't understand. A table could be dead for two hours, I'll sit down to play (alone, b/c I like games with few people), and not thirty seconds later the table fills up.

It's not you per se, it's anyone. Most people do not like to sit at an inactive table. After all, if all the other people left, that table must be a loser, etc.

Once there's at least one butt in a chair, the other chairs get butts too.

This phenomenon is even more obvious at a craps table. Two tables. One jammed, the other empty. Until someone breaks the ice. Not 5 minutes later, the tables will be nearly balanced.
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