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December 4th, 2011 at 5:44:05 PM permalink
Quote: weaselman

The average value is
(17+18+19+20+21)/5 = 19
Something tells me, you meant to ask about the expected value, not the average.
To compute the average, you need to weigh the numbers by values from Wizard's Appendix 2.
For example, for 6 deck S17:
(0.152487 * 17 + 0.146201*18 + 0.14035*19 + 0.188478*20 + 0.076507*21)/0.704023 = 18.844205




SOMETHING tells me you didn't read "dealers average final hand."
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December 4th, 2011 at 5:47:23 PM permalink
Quote: cclub79

I'd compare it to people saying "The Patriots win their games by an average of 9 points..." Does that include the games they lost? Does it take points away in those cases? Probably the only way to have quasi-meaningful data would be to say, the dealer breaks X%, and in the (100 - X)% that the dealer doesn't break, the average final hand is Y.




Except when the dealer's hand is the only one left in play, are you counting that as not breaking?
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December 4th, 2011 at 5:54:10 PM permalink
Quote: cardcounter

If they stand there average hand is 17 because they are just staying with 17. if they hit there average hand is 18.5 because 18 or lower is normally a losing hand in blackjack on average and 19 or higher is usually a winning hand in blackjack. The dealer on any given hand will get a




TOTALLY WRONG. The figures are known to be in the mid 18's, and if h17, or mh17 as they like to say, it is slightly higher.
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December 4th, 2011 at 6:08:59 PM permalink
Quote: dm



SOMETHING tells me you didn't read "dealers average final hand."


Not sure what you mean. I did read it. What is it that tells you I did not?
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
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December 4th, 2011 at 8:33:44 PM permalink
Quote: weaselman

Not sure what you mean. I did read it. What is it that tells you I did not?



You thought he needed help averaging five numbers? Are you saying the dealer's ending hands will be perfectly distributed with 17,18,19,20,21? If the dealer hasn't played a number of hands that is a multiple of 5, then that's impossible.
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December 5th, 2011 at 5:25:38 AM permalink
Quote: dm

You thought he needed help averaging five numbers?


No, I just pointed out that he asked a wrong question.

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Are you saying the dealer's ending hands will be perfectly distributed with 17,18,19,20,21?


Not sure what what "perfectly distributed" means in this context.
Perhaps, you meant to ask if I thought it would be uniformly or evenly distributed? In that case, the answer is no, I don't think that, which, I thought, was made clear enough by my referencing Wizard's page with the actual probabilities of each hand.
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
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December 5th, 2011 at 5:15:08 PM permalink
OK, but I understood his meaning and thought he asked exactly the right question. I don't know the precise definition of even distribution. What did you think perfectly might mean other than evenly?
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December 5th, 2011 at 5:51:44 PM permalink
Quote: dm

What did you think perfectly might mean other than evenly?


Well, I did not give it too much thought, because it did not make sense, and I thought I guessed what you really meant from the context. What is usually meant by "perfect" when discussing empirical observations is exactly conforming to the underlying theory.
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December 5th, 2011 at 6:30:35 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

What is the dealers average final hand in blackjack for ALL the various number of decks and whether they hit or stand on soft 17. Ive heard from 18.23 up to 18.56.



Lengthy article on the subject:
what is the dealer's average hand in blackjack.
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December 5th, 2011 at 7:28:59 PM permalink
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