TCosbyJr
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September 27th, 2011 at 4:58:05 AM permalink
I am creating a freeware PC game of blackjack and have been looking to add side bets. The game has a cartoon old west theme with many different elements, and is simply installed on a users PC (No online play or such). Little to my surprise any side bets I have found are licensed/trademarked by various companies when I did further research. Lucky for me I found a article by Bill Zender that outlined that obvious fact.

With so many side bets already created it seems there is little room to create a new side bet that would not overlap another and possible infringement. I am curious if anyone knows of any side bets that are in the public domain or can be used freely in my game? Any links to such side bet rules and license/copyright information would be most helpful. I have not turned up anything myself after many hours of using Google, and I appreciate any help.
Thomas
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September 27th, 2011 at 6:06:10 AM permalink
blackjack only is the only one I know of.
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TCosbyJr
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September 27th, 2011 at 1:32:44 PM permalink
Thanks for the tip, I was afraid of that being the case. I will just avoid using side bets and simply use various video game type bonuses and enhancements to add some spice to the game (Which can be disabled by the player for any purist players).

With that taken care of I have to ask if there are any other things I need to avoid in my blackjack game that are patented/trademarked? Perhaps certain pay outs for blackjack (3 to 2, 6 to 5), or offering the options to surrender (early or late) or insurance? Is the insurance on the dealer having blackjack also a patented/trademarked item as it seems to be a side bet itself?
Thomas
Tiltpoul
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September 27th, 2011 at 2:56:17 PM permalink
Quote: TCosbyJr

Thanks for the tip, I was afraid of that being the case. I will just avoid using side bets and simply use various video game type bonuses and enhancements to add some spice to the game (Which can be disabled by the player for any purist players).

With that taken care of I have to ask if there are any other things I need to avoid in my blackjack game that are patented/trademarked? Perhaps certain pay outs for blackjack (3 to 2, 6 to 5), or offering the options to surrender (early or late) or insurance? Is the insurance on the dealer having blackjack also a patented/trademarked item as it seems to be a side bet itself?



Dealer Push on 22 is trademarked...

I believe Casino Surrender is as well... that's where if the dealer has a face card showing and the player has a hard/soft 20 as the first two cards, they may choose to have an "Automatic Win" of 1/2 the bet. The dealer checks for an Ace first, and the bet is offered prior to action on the hand.

I think a 5:2 payout for Insurance is copyrighted by the people who own Double Attack Blackjack, but I could be mistaken on that...
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buzzpaff
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September 27th, 2011 at 3:13:11 PM permalink
Trademarked means nothing as far as patents go. Almost any option when included in another game become part of that game. Otherwise Switch would have been blocked by Double Action Bj.
Paigowdan
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September 27th, 2011 at 3:26:24 PM permalink
There are a number of public doman BJ side bets (not many) that are now public domain - free to use. Some very good.
From what I understand - and I might be wrong - Mike Shackelford, the excellent web-master of the game repository "wizardofodds," might be working to delinate this distinction for some of the games and side bets, one of the problems of being the "key master" of his level.
I know that we use one good BJ bet "Dealers Bust 21"
You may want try "dealer's bust 21" from Barret Gaming that appears to be a public doman gift, might be wrong.
You may want to contact barret gaming about their side bet "Dealer bust-21." Might be public domain or free
for promotional use. Do ask the Wizard about his effort too, although it might be more work for him. Just more joy and delight...
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UCivan
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September 27th, 2011 at 3:43:01 PM permalink
Quote: TCosbyJr

With so many side bets already created it seems there is little room to create a new side bet that would not overlap another and possible infringement. I am curious if anyone knows of any side bets that are in the public domain or can be used freely in my game? Any links to such side bet rules and license/copyright information would be most helpful. I have not turned up anything myself after many hours of using Google, and I appreciate any help.

If you have a well developed side bet, why would you give the side bet to TCosbyJr in his program? Maybe you should, because
[1] you have not been able to sell it any way
[2] free advertisement
[3] players can practice outside of casino and spend real cash on real game inside casinos.
The only reason you may not want to give it away is
[1] because you are worried TCosbyJr's program may be buggy, mis representing your side game
[2] you thought you could make money with the side bet...

What are the other negatives? Marbolo gives away free sample cigarettes on the street, why not giving away free side bet outside of casinos???
TCosbyJr
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September 28th, 2011 at 11:03:23 PM permalink
Many thanks for all the information, I appreciate it.

Quote: Paigowdan

There are a number of public doman BJ side bets (not many) that are now public domain - free to use. Some very good.
From what I understand - and I might be wrong - Mike Shackelford, the excellent web-master of the game repository "wizardofodds," might be working to delinate this distinction for some of the games and side bets, one of the problems of being the "key master" of his level.


I actually found my way here from the wizardofodds site. I read through the contact area and questions are asked and answered on the forum here, so perhaps he will comment on the side bets.

Quote: Paigowdan

I know that we use one good BJ bet "Dealers Bust 21"
You may want try "dealer's bust 21" from Barret Gaming that appears to be a public doman gift, might be wrong.
You may want to contact barret gaming about their side bet "Dealer bust-21." Might be public domain or free
for promotional use. Do ask the Wizard about his effort too, although it might be more work for him. Just more joy and delight...


Thanks I will find out more about it.
Thomas
Switch
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September 29th, 2011 at 6:37:11 AM permalink
I have a couple of new side-bets, one soon to be launched in the US and the other still on hold as it's perfect for video/online but needs tweaking for land-based play.

Depending on the quality and circumstances of your project, I would consider giving you a royalty-free licence.

If you're interested, either reply here or PM me and we can look at the possibilities.
Switch
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September 29th, 2011 at 6:43:47 AM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Trademarked means nothing as far as patents go. Almost any option when included in another game become part of that game. Otherwise Switch would have been blocked by Double Action Bj.



Double Action Blackjack appears to be a side-bet that uses the dealers up-card along with the players cards. A derivative of '21+3' comes to mind.

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