Digital Counting??

Just wondering if it's possible to count a digital blackjack shoe. Before you say it this one doesn't shuffle after each hand. It runs a 6 deck shoe but with only 50% penetration. I know that is very low but I swear that is all it goes into the shoe. This is at Harrahs in Cherokee,NC. They have live dealers but no cards on the table as that is done by a computer with the dealer pushing buttons and paying you. Anyway just wondering if it's possible to count cards with this scenario.

Sure you can count that game. But why do you think they use digital cards ? The game will count the game itself, and track all bets.
Your little counting scheme will be obvious to the software (and the dealer) after a few raises.

They use digital cards because North Carolina isn't allowed to have live cards. It's an Indian Casino on a reservation. It is a huge casino but the only table game they have is blackjack and a blackjack game called High-Tie. I thought it might keep track of your bets when you place your chips on the sensor but if you hold your finger over the sensor it says bet placed. So for that reason I'm not sure if it actually knows the amount of your bet since you have actual chips in front of you to play. Is a game like this worth counting at only 50% penetration?

I'm not a counter, so I can't say if counting only half the shoe presents good opportunities.

But can the system count itself and detect a betting pattern of a card counter? Depends. Has there been any publicity about RDIF chips in the checques?

---

FYI: The Cherokee casino is weird. I've been there. Very strange casino. All the slot machines are "double pull". I.E. After the first spin, you hold reels, much like holding cards in VP, and spin the others. I'd because part of the N.C. law is that all games must be games of skill. The REALLY weird part is that, apparently, North Carolina hicks have trouble with that concept, so there are three practice machines near the front door.

Quote: rayrayntn

Just wondering if it's possible to count a digital blackjack shoe. Before you say it this one doesn't shuffle after each hand. It runs a 6 deck shoe but with only 50% penetration. I know that is very low but I swear that is all it goes into the shoe. This is at Harrahs in Cherokee,NC. They have live dealers but no cards on the table as that is done by a computer with the dealer pushing buttons and paying you. Anyway just wondering if it's possible to count cards with this scenario.

The Shufflemaster machines that are everywhere have six deck shoes with 75% penetration. But you don't know when they reshuffle (I don't know how it works in NC). I doubt that either penetration is far enough to make counting worthwhile. And they do deal different decks to each player at the table. You didn't specify about the NC machines. In order to qualify the machines as a slot machine there must be no connection between players. Since some jurisdictions permit only slot machines, the manufacturers are often interested in meeting this requirement.

Quote: pacomartin

The Shufflemaster machines that are everywhere have six deck shoes with 75% penetration. But you don't know when they reshuffle (I don't know how it works in NC). I doubt that either penetration is far enough to make counting worthwhile. And they do deal different decks to each player at the table. You didn't specify about the NC machines. In order to qualify the machines as a slot machine there must be no connection between players. Since some jurisdictions permit only slot machines, the manufacturers are often interested in meeting this requirement.

I don't think that's what he was talking about, because he said live dealers and chips. Also, I believe the only place the Shufflemaster machines do the "each player has their own shoe" was in Pennsylvania, because of the state gaming law that said no player can affect another player's results.* I've played the SMBJ in Rhode Island, Connecticut, and Delaware, and I was under the impression that the One Shoe per person was only Pennsylvania.

*Word is they are being greatly reduced in number in PA, and their "law" is pretty pointless now that table games are legal.

Yea you do have chips in front of you with a live dealer controlling the machine. When it comes time to cut their is a red line moving through the cards and whoever elects to cut that shoe taps the table and the dealer hits the button to cut. As you play through the shoe you can tell how much further it is until the shoe is done and it's time to reshuffle by watching as the redline and cards get smaller. It is 50% penetration so I'm still not sure if it's possible to count cards to make it worthwhile here. Also does anyone know since it being a Harrahs Casino if it's regulated and checked? I know it's on an indian reservation so I'm not sure as to if they have to check them too to make sure everything is kept fair and not manipulated.

the shufflemaster machines at pompano in florida are slot machine type, one shoe per person, but they just got the new digidealer machines in mardi and they are one shoe per table an interesting side not is that they are able to back up cards in the case of human error- there is a huge play to be made if for instance the dealer hits u instead of standing and it i an ace, that will be the next card out so if u know this is can def be used to your advantage

I have some experience with Digideal machines, and they do not track your bet or waste any resources trying to identify card counters.