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March 27th, 2024 at 12:16:32 PM permalink
I ran across a decent Black Jack machine finally. It had a $5 minimum bet and a $630 maximum bet. I could only split once and double down twice on a hand at most. So to avoid a hand pay or tax form or the $1,200 limit, I'd have to max out at $145 or $149 per hand for a $1,160 or $1,192 payout including the bet back.
My luck had me winning $146 in half an hour to start with. On my 2nd session I tried the other seat and got run down with loss after loss so I went back to my original seat and still kept losing. I kept getting a message flashing on the screen saying I don't have enough to pay for split hands and double downs. So if I have $30 and I'm betting $10, that message would pop up as 4 X $10 would be $40. Eventually I hit a winning streak and along with my progressions I ran it up from $20 to over $400. I thought I'd try to push it just a little further to $600. But the machine would not have that and it hit me with a series of double downs and split situations which all lost so I cashed out at my buy-in of $135.
It's a 95 minute drive to get to this casino and 6 gallons round trip, and I don't trust machines much, so I'll see if I can find $5 stadium BJ somewhere next.

Those Interblock single player bubble craps machines with The Lucky Shooter feature
( https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/side-bets/lucky-shooter/ ) with paytable #2
and the green elbow pads are the ones who make this Black Jack machine with the green elbow pads. It has side bets for
21 + 3 Extreme ( https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/21-plus-3-extreme/ ) and
Lucky Ladies ( https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/lucky-ladies/ ) and
Lucky Aces ( https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/lucky-aces/ )
which I never bet on. The craps machines and the Black Jack machines were right next to each other back to back.
You lose 72% to 90% of either of those side bets so it will decimate your measly bankroll.

Here's a TikTok rundown on YouTube of a similar machine with many more sidebets available. I didn't notice all these sidebets but maybe I wasn't looking, but I don't see the sidebets I listed, so it's likely a different version of the same machine. The female face on the back of the machine is exactly the same. This particular machine pays out 6:5 on a BJ, the one I played paid 3:2 on a BJ; so that's a horrible downside to this machine if you find it.


Here's his next video that looks more like the version I was playing but not quite, maybe it is the same except for the minimum bet. Nope, BJ still pays 6:5. The female face is the same and the dress is more revealing.






There's a tote board along the bottom of the screen and I couldn't figure out what it was but it's a log how the Dealer's past hands have been going and it gives either a number like 17-21 or BJ in red or Bust in green, so a player can get a sense of how the Dealer has been fairing for the past couple dozen or more hands, it's scrollable. It surely wasn't a tote board about my hands.

Now this video has me wondering if I saw Lucky Lucky or Lucky Ladies as side bets on the machine I played. I'm going to go with Lucky Ladies until I see the machine again. I think it paid 1000 to 1 for the top payout, and 200 to 1 for the 2nd top payout. An obvious IRS trap not available on table games, oh wait, the IRS collects there too.

Here's a link to a player playing $50 hands on a 3:2 machine with a clicker counter in his hand for 50 hands. He's starting with $1,000 and trying to win to $1,500 and he's going to quit when he gets to 50 hands or to +$500, whichever comes first. Seems like a play, lose 20 hands behind or win 10 ahead within 50 hands. The tote board along the bottom shows WIN when the player busts and the Dealer had less than 17.
VIDEO BLACKJACK!!! $50 A HAND!!! 50 HANDS - Monarch Casino - Blackhawk, CO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kzwsxMtTbU

From an upload from 4 hours ago, someone has found a 3 pod BJ machine to play alone against the Dealer all by themselves. This machine only counts wins as wins, it doesn't include your bet amount too. So you could probably bet up to $295 to $299 and split and double down on both hands and stay under the $1,200 limit on a win if playing only a single pod. Have to reduce bets to under $100 for 3 pods at a time, unless you like tax forms. That $3,000 maximum bet seems way up there for this type of machine.
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March 27th, 2024 at 2:57:33 PM permalink
Casino Wizard machine?
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March 28th, 2024 at 1:52:56 AM permalink
Those look like Interblock machines. I prefer Casino Wizard machines they will
play as fast as you press the button.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wzRBhrBN18
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April 8th, 2024 at 4:08:26 AM permalink
If I was getting tax forms for all bets over $600 that won to over $1200, I could rack up a ridiculous number of tax forms in one afternoon if I was on a hot streak. Not sure how slow the attendants are with the paperwork or if the machine stops dead waiting, I suppose it does. But if I take a recent session on my home game where I won $50K with a total bet of $250K and divide by 5 to fit within the $630 max bet per hand sign, that'd be $50k total bet and $10K won. Not all those bets would trigger a hand pay, and maybe far less than $50K, but this was a short session of just under 200 hands. A longer session at higher bets could easily trigger high tax form amounts in total, but it's no guarantee of a win or any win. So after 5 sessions of this in a day, there'd be a quarter million in tax forms and maybe a $5,000 loss up to a $50,000 win. Proving my losses may be very difficult in the face of all these tax form wins though, ouch! But I could say, I have a quarter million dollar income, and my bank account may benefit from it a little, just a little. I think come tax time, anything I won would just get eaten up by taxes without proof of losses. Even on my best session, I'm only winning 20% of my total bet; generally it's less than 1%. So if I bet $1 million, I may have won $10,000 or less with my luck; others may have lost $5,000 or more. Better to just switch to regular tables and play slower without the tax man involved.
But I'm working on one strategy to turn $500 into $2,000 over several TITO sessions without betting more than $120 per hand before double downs and splits; so I could win 4 sessions of $1,500 per day and cash out $8,000 of TITO's per day. I'll have to sign up for a Player's card and see what points I can get and what they buy. Larger cash-outs require a card anyway.
I suppose if I want to deposit $50K into the bank as winnings, I can run up $50K in tax forms on this machine easy as proof of winnings for the tax man. Just don't lose this money back to the casino!
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April 12th, 2024 at 4:02:42 AM permalink
Just played on my Roku 3 BJ game and doubled my $500 buy-in in 378 hands, which is just shy of my 400 hand cut-off for calling a win goal if I have one. That took about half an hour. But these Interblock machines deal about 275-300 hands an hour (I'll go with 300 hands an hour for incidental mental breaks), so that'd be 1.25 hours at the casino machine. I bet $12K coin in, and at $6/1 cent ratio for points, that'd be $20 in points (but I don't know the ratio of points for this game yet, I'm just assuming it's low like bubble craps or video poker). So I continued playing and quadrupled my buy-in and got to $2,000 by hand 516, which would be just under 1.75 hours of play at the casino machine. My session bet was $25K, which would be just over $40 in points at $6/1 cent.
Any hopes of getting further than 1,800 hands in 6 hours at the casino machine is unfounded so far. But I might pick me up a meal credit on my way to win a couple or more sessions in a day.

As for my Roku 3 game, that's about 12 hands a minute. I'll be coming up on 50,000 hands at some point soon, and that'd be about 4,166.67 minutes or 69.44 hours of play. To do that on the casino machine, it'd take 166.67 hours, or 2.4X longer, at 300 hands per hour.

Just ran across another video where the player hit a Speed toggle button and cranked it to Max and counted how many hands he could play in 10 minutes, and he got to 46 hands, or about 275 hands per hour. Now that's a different velocity! That's about 4.6 hands per minute. I think he could get to 300 hands an hour on that machine if he's getting antsy enough, but there'd be some bad luck involved! In another short video he hit 4.9 hands per minute.
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April 12th, 2024 at 6:28:43 AM permalink
This YouTuber played 1,000 hands and analyzed his results and thinks he has a new basic strategy for this machine, because this machine is rigged, duh, ROTFLMAO! He may have a point about 1,000 hands, but that's no way to attack the statistics here, but he did, and here's his video.

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May 19th, 2024 at 6:18:17 PM permalink
I got another visit in. The machines have Lucky Lucky and 21 + 3 side bets. When I sat down, the guy next to me was waiting on a hand pay, which is really odd to begin with. It was on a $2.1K jackpot. A little later I saw him betting $10 to $15 on the side bets. So if he had $10 on the Lucky Lucky and it hit for 200:1 that'd be $2K right there. I walked past a $10 BJ table that had a Blazing 7's side bet and I thought there was a $5 minimum on this bet, but I thought I saw people betting $20 on it in addition to their regular bet. There'd be no hand pay at a table for a 200 to 1 payout.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/blazing-7s/

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/lucky-lucky/
Based on the photo above, it'd be pay table 6 with the 8.67% HA (1 deck)

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/21plus3/
Based on the photo above, it'd be Version 4 with the 22.7% HA (1 deck)

I'm only getting wins to 15 bets ahead on this machine. So I have to scale down what's possible on the machine quite a bit. The machine typically drags me down 15 bets from the get go and leaves me to squirm for a long time then I change my betting habits and a win streak comes up and I make up ground. But this machine has taken me down to my last bet and recovered to my 20 bet buy-in plus some, then lost it all back as fast as I recovered. So I can't really rest on a high balance for too long if for any time at all. If I have a win goal, and it stalls out at it twice and falls deeply, best hit the cash-out button on the third time.

It's a new tier point year and I'm starting off on day one with just over 2400 points or $9,600 bet on VBJ in a bit less than 5 hours. My average bet was probably about $8-$9, so I played 1,000+ hands.
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May 19th, 2024 at 10:44:22 PM permalink
I ran across Max Winnings Slots & Blackjack's modified strategy for this machine that he made after 1,000 hands earlier. I tried my best to copy it into my normal form of BS chart from his video chart that was partly obscured. One thing I don't get is why he would double down on a pair of Aces instead of split them. He must have some madness rationale for that. There's probably other strategy norms being veered away from here for the sake of this machine and his thoughts on its idiosyncrasies, and they are highlighted in yellow on his video chart (I didn't mention the differences in my Excel chart).







He's got new goals now. He churned $100 into $1,000, now he wants to keep going on his way to $5,000. It's going to be hard on a 6:5 machine that's for sure. On this video he doubled up $100 into $200. I've been running up these machines from $120 to $400+ in all 3 visits. Next time I'll start with $200 and see if I can get to $550. If I hit it 3 times in a row, I'll be up $1,050 on that day, and I'll add 5 $200 buy-ins to the tally.
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May 31st, 2024 at 9:23:54 PM permalink
LadyLuckHQ tried a hand at this, she doesn't know how to play, but she lucked out and won her money back on one hand.
The limits were $3 to $430 on a 6:5 machine.
If the IRS raises the hand pays to $6,000 sometime soon the machines could raise their betting limits to about $750/hand and with a spilt and 2 double downs the total bet would be $3,000 plus the win would be $3,000 which equals a hand pay at $6,000. You win $3K and wind up with a hand pay for $6K. If they just go to $5,000 hand pays, we'll still be testing the limits of current machines that allow bets to $630 times 8 equals a $5,040 win.
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