Do you have an edge? Would you play?
You get to play one hand.
I remove out of the deck in front you the following:
2 x 10
1x Ace
4 x 5's
4x6's
2x4s
2x 9
1 x7
2 x 8
3x3
4x2
This gives you a Hi lo count +14 or Halves count +13.5
I shuffle the remaing cards left and I deal you 1 card.
I then put back into the deck the above cards removed.
I shuffle and complete the deal of the blackjack hand.
Therefore completing the hand with 6 decks minus the card i have dealt you.
You play it out accordingly.
Do you have an edge ?
Would you play?
Quote: Salthouse6 deck game good strip rules stand 17 DAS respilt aces.
You get to play one hand.
I remove out of the deck in front you the following:
2 x 10
1x Ace
4 x 5's
4x6's
2x4s
2x 9
1 x7
2 x 8
3x3
4x2
This gives you a Hi lo count +14 or Halves count +13.5
I shuffle the remaing cards left and I deal you 1 card.
I then put back into the deck the above cards removed.
I shuffle and complete the deal of the blackjack hand.
Therefore completing the hand with 6 decks minus the card i have dealt you.
You play it out accordingly.
Do you have an edge ?
Would you play?
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I think you have an edge. You are more likely to be dealt an ace or a 10/face. But if in a 6 deck game not remarkably so. Once you have your card the decks are then normalized. I’d say you have less than 1% edge. But an edge. (Just a guess)
Only the player's first card is dealt from a positive count.
All other cards are dealt from a neutral count.
Any hit cards are dealt from a neutral count. Dealer drawing to a stiff is not more likely to bust.
The dealer's downcard is dealt from a neutral count, so there is no useful insurance information.
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Only the player's first card is dealt from a positive count.
All other cards are dealt from a neutral count.
Any hit cards are dealt from a neutral count. Dealer drawing to a stiff is not more likely to bust.
The dealer's downcard is dealt from a neutral count, so there is no useful insurance information.
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But the player is more likely to get an ace or a face card. In a neutral count give me an ace and it’s a HUGE advantage. Give me a Face and it’s an advantage as well.
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Only the player's first card is dealt from a positive count.
All other cards are dealt from a neutral count.
Any hit cards are dealt from a neutral count. Dealer drawing to a stiff is not more likely to bust.
The dealer's downcard is dealt from a neutral count, so there is no useful insurance information.
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But the player is more likely to get an ace or a face card. In a neutral count give me an ace and it’s a HUGE advantage. Give me a Face and it’s an advantage as well.
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If I'm doing the mathy things right, I'm seeing about 0.3% increase in the chance to draw an ace on the first card.
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Only the player's first card is dealt from a positive count.
All other cards are dealt from a neutral count.
Any hit cards are dealt from a neutral count. Dealer drawing to a stiff is not more likely to bust.
The dealer's downcard is dealt from a neutral count, so there is no useful insurance information.
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But the player is more likely to get an ace or a face card. In a neutral count give me an ace and it’s a HUGE advantage. Give me a Face and it’s an advantage as well.
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If I'm doing the mathy things right, I'm seeing about 0.3% increase in the chance to draw an ace on the first card.
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Add the face card increase and it’s probably a slight player edge.
1) The 1 card dealt to me is clearly with an advantage.
2) I don't know if it's enough to overcome the house edge of the game, assuming generic .5%...
The way I'd go about solving this is running a pretty easy 1 deck sim creating an "average value," to the player, of the first card from the +14. Knowing how much that's card worth obviously will tell you if you're going to overcome the standard house edge, assuming all else being neutral.
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1) The 1 card dealt to me is clearly with an advantage.
2) I don't know if it's enough to overcome the house edge of the game, assuming generic .5%...
The way I'd go about solving this is running a pretty easy 1 deck sim creating an "average value," to the player, of the first card from the +14. Knowing how much that's card worth obviously will tell you if you're going to overcome the standard house edge, assuming all else being neutral.
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Welcome back Romes, you have been missed around here.
Firstly we assume that it is a Hit-17 game and the player draw all of his cards when a 6-deck shoe is depleted just like above. Under these conditions, the player edge is about +0.7%.
The player edge comes mostly from player’s Naturals, while the probability of a Natural is the product of an Ace probability and a ten-valued card probability. Skip the details here. I estimate the overall player’s edge under the OP’s description is negative.
Quote: Salthouse6 deck game good strip rules stand 17 DAS respilt aces.
You get to play one hand.
I remove out of the deck in front you the following:
2 x 10
1x Ace
4 x 5's
4x6's
2x4s
2x 9
1 x7
2 x 8
3x3
4x2
This gives you a Hi lo count +14 or Halves count +13.5
I shuffle the remaing cards left and I deal you 1 card.
I then put back into the deck the above cards removed.
I shuffle and complete the deal of the blackjack hand.
Therefore completing the hand with 6 decks minus the card i have dealt you.
You play it out accordingly.
Do you have an edge ?
Would you play?
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With those cards removed from the deck, players edge would be +0.637% -assuming all player and dealer cards were drawn from the depleted deck.
However, given only one card drawn with that distribution, I think your EV would only be slightly better than the conventional House Edge. Your odds of getting an ace or ten on the first card would be slightly higher than with a fresh deck.
Since the advantage to the player would be so small I think it's worth mentioning the dealer would have 1 advantage in this reversal situation... Mistakes. You're human. Even the best of us make mistakes from time to time due to 1 of a million live things that could happen to force on upon us. The dealer would never make a mistake/deviate from the preset strategy. So your tiny advantage could end up being -EV if you happen to have a couple bad days and make even just a couple mistakes. Interesting view of the game and interesting thread.Quote: gordonm888
However, given only one card drawn with that distribution, I think your EV would only be slightly better than the conventional House Edge. Your odds of getting an ace or ten on the first card would be slightly higher than with a fresh deck.
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