Magic 7 side bet - possible player advantage

There is a side bet, which has a positive advantage in some cases.
Bet is only $5, can't bet more or less

Its played on a 6 deck shoe, Rules are S17

There is 1 "Magic 7"


The magic 7 pays 100x in addition there is what I think is a more standard pay table
It pays on the 1st three up cards (Dealer + Player)

3 seven of clubs pays a progressive jackpot (Jackpot starts at $20,000 and increased based on wagers made on the side bet)
3 suited sevens (other than clubs) pays 10% of jackpot
3 seven of any other kind pays 250x
2 seven of clubs pays 200x (only player cards)
2 other suited sevens pay 50x (only player cards)
2 non suited 7 pays 25x (only player cards)

If Im only calculating the odds of the magic 7 you can make a bet with positive advantage once there are less than 200 cards left (Correct me if I am wrong)

This is roughly after 2 decks are played. I assume the other pays makes it a positive bet earlier, but how much? Could it be a positive bet since the start of the shoe?
I currently play only after 2 decks are played

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There is a side bet, which has a positive advantage in some cases.
Bet is only $5, can't bet more or less

Its played on a 6 deck shoe, Rules are S17

There is 1 "Magic 7"


The magic 7 pays 100x in addition there is what I think is a more standard pay table
It pays on the 1st three up cards (Dealer + Player)

3 seven of clubs pays a progressive jackpot (Jackpot starts at $20,000 and increased based on wagers made on the side bet)
3 suited sevens (other than clubs) pays 10% of jackpot
3 seven of any other kind pays 250x
2 seven of clubs pays 200x (only player cards)
2 other suited sevens pay 50x (only player cards)
2 non suited 7 (only player cards)

If Im only calculating the odds of the magic 7 you can make a bet with positive advantage once there are less than 200 cards left (Correct me if I am wrong)

This is roughly after 2 decks are played. I assume the other pays makes it a positive bet earlier, but how much? Could it be a positive bet since the start of the shoe?
I currently play only after 2 decks are played
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A few questions….

Is there an actual extra card that is a ‘Magic 7’? So the 6 decks will have 413 cards?

If you get two ‘7 of clubs’ is a ‘Magic 7’ count as a third ‘7 of clubs’? Can it be your third 7 of spades? Your third unsuited 7?

If the ‘Magic 7’ is the dealer up card does everyone at the table win 100-1?

What does two non suited 7’s pay?

What’s the highest you have seen the progressive?

Its not an extra card, its a 7 (it can't be a club, it may be another suit) that has a mark on it that makes it magic its 6 standard decks- 412 cards

- The magic 7 plays as any other card

So if you have 2 7 (including the magic 7) and the dealer has a 7 it actually pays 2 times, 100x for the magic 7 and 250x for the 3 sevens

The magic 7 only pays on the 1st two cards of the player making the bet, if it appears as a dealers upward, or anywhere else it doesn't pay anything.

Two non suited 7 pays 25x (sorry I didn't type it at first)

The highest progressive has been $35,000

Also to clarify the 3 7s only refers to the players 2 up-cards+ dealer upcard, not a third card for the player

I assume it’s only dealt from a CSM?

No way it can be dealt with ANY penetration?

Its a 6 deck shoe. With good penetration 1.25 decks

This is why I am saying its positive with the magoc 7 alone after 2 decks have been played

My question is after how many cards is it positive overall?

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Its a 6 deck shoe. With good penetration 1.25 decks

This is why I am saying its positive with the magoc 7 alone after 2 decks have been played

My question is after how many cards is it positive overall?
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That’s above my math skill level. In addition to keeping a lookout for the ‘Magic 7’ I assume the decision to play would also be based on how many other 7’s remain. It seems so ridiculously countable that I’m wondering if you are leaving something out?

Is ‘mid shoe entry’ allowed?

Yes mid shoe is allowed
You can bet on other players hands if they decide not to play the sidebet on their own

Is this in Guatemala?