convincing ploppies to let you bankroll their splits/doubles. What could I have done better?

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I have to say that between this and the even bob surefire foolette method, I'm wondering why I came back.
Alan believes he is right and everyone else is wrong. Everyone else thinks they are right and he is not. So what?
Let it go.
Alan can feel a little gangster when he gets away without being id'd on his next trip.
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I present my players card when I buy in. Anyone presenting or using a player's card passes the ID requirement. For example, on hand pays: I've never been asked for ID on a hand pay because my card was in the machine.

I still am curious why no one is calling the NGC?

(702) 486-2020
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Wait, What?

I honestly have never won a handpay out West but if it is the same as on the East Coast you just said a load of bullcrapping pucky.

ID is always required on a handpay for a jackpot at a slot machine.

The only time it isn't is when you have hit your second or more FOR THE DAY and the attendant recognizes you and your players card and just goes off that. But you have been ID'd by your ID and and NOT your players card.

Alan, seriously now are you just staying at home with lighted candles guessing at how things work?

And why call the NGC to ask stupid questions? For that matter why aren't you calling the NGC to ask stupid questions?
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Sorry Darkoz but I haven't given my driver's license for a hand pay in maybe 25 years. They use my players card.

Caesars, Red Rock, Paris, MGM, NYNY, Suncoast, Pala, Pechanga, Rincon, Bellagio all the same.

Of course my player cards don't have a name like Sally or Jane on them.
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Like I said I don't do West Coast so have to wait for others to chime in (what you said doesn't fly East Coast)

I will say if true I might open operations out there.

Of course my cards will all be Charles, Wilson, James.

BTW, do you also give your Social Security number or is that also assumed by the Casinos you frequent?
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When you get your players card you need to provide your social security number.
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Really? You showed them your SS card when you get a player's card? Sometimes you should just quit when behind instead of doubling down on the ridiculous statements. I have easily four dozen players cards from all over and never carry my SS card, so how does that work?

BillRyan,

I know. I thought about it. I really did. You shouldn't have responded to that, though. We both know you shouldn't have.

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Quote: Dieter

I think if I was a recognizeable TV star and my card name matched my on-air name, I could get away with just a player's card, too.
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Who is the recognizable TV star? I didn't realize that dealers were such vociferous aficionados of infomercials.
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I think Alan may be a "known player", where some others here prefer not to have all their particulars on file with the casino.

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i had the biggest dude threaten me because when i sat down he started to lose he said he was part of the KKK and told me to leave the table or else - i didnt because im just dumb and you cant teach dumb people lessons
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Are you a member of a minority group or at least resemble one? I'm not sure why him being a Klan member would somehow give him the ability to make players flee in terror?

Even the most ignorant bigot would eventually realize that more than half the people at casinos are not Caucasian and that includes dealers in most gambling places.
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Trust me, Caucasian Jews are running the same direction as the blacks when the KKK enters.
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Unless Heatmap was wearing a Yamulke or had the Black hat with curls coming down each side, they wouldn't know he was Jewish. I'm just curious why the guy stating "I'm a member of the KKK" would incite anything but laughter to a non-minority, regardless of religious belief?

That's like me sitting down at a slot machine and the person next to me says "Good Luck!" and I reply by saying "I'm a Youtuber, you better watch what you say to me!" It just falls flat and would likely be met with an eye roll rather than a fight or flight mentality.

Then again, some invite trouble and think the world is against them, so ya never can tell!

I must be playing in casinos on Mars... with red money.

Mission is correct... I'm wasting my time here. It all would have been settled if one of you called the NGC and asking them.

Instead you argue with me.

(702) 486-2020 that's the phone number.

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I must be playing in casinos on Mars... with red money.

Mission is correct... I'm wasting my time here. It all would have been settled if one of you called the NGC and asking them.

Instead you argue with me.

(702) 486-2020 that's the phone number.
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I called the phone number you provided and spoke to Special Agent Bauer; he says that casinos are NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED to check the ID's of every single patron, but at the same time, may not have someone under the age of 21 gambling, either.

I have played your stupid game and the game is finished. This will be the last time I waste my time on non-facts posted by you but repped as facts. What I will do, however, is I will link people to this post in response to further nonsensical posts of yours, which I fully expect there will be, as I deem appropriate.

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Quote: billryan

I have to say that between this and the even bob surefire foolette method, I'm wondering why I came back.
Alan believes he is right and everyone else is wrong. Everyone else thinks they are right and he is not. So what?
Let it go.
Alan can feel a little gangster when he gets away without being id'd on his next trip.
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I present my players card when I buy in. Anyone presenting or using a player's card passes the ID requirement. For example, on hand pays: I've never been asked for ID on a hand pay because my card was in the machine.

I still am curious why no one is calling the NGC?

(702) 486-2020
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Wait, What?

I honestly have never won a handpay out West but if it is the same as on the East Coast you just said a load of bullcrapping pucky.

ID is always required on a handpay for a jackpot at a slot machine.

The only time it isn't is when you have hit your second or more FOR THE DAY and the attendant recognizes you and your players card and just goes off that. But you have been ID'd by your ID and and NOT your players card.

Alan, seriously now are you just staying at home with lighted candles guessing at how things work?

And why call the NGC to ask stupid questions? For that matter why aren't you calling the NGC to ask stupid questions?
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Sorry Darkoz but I haven't given my driver's license for a hand pay in maybe 25 years. They use my players card.

Caesars, Red Rock, Paris, MGM, NYNY, Suncoast, Pala, Pechanga, Rincon, Bellagio all the same.

Of course my player cards don't have a name like Sally or Jane on them.
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Like I said I don't do West Coast so have to wait for others to chime in (what you said doesn't fly East Coast)

I will say if true I might open operations out there.

Of course my cards will all be Charles, Wilson, James.

BTW, do you also give your Social Security number or is that also assumed by the Casinos you frequent?
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When you get your players card you need to provide your social security number.
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At this point you are making stuff up. Everyone including the Wizard will verify you don't give the Casinos rewards membership your social security number upon signup.

So you are just making stuff up.

At this point I find it difficult to believe you were a reporter about gambling news.

This whole thread now is an Alan Mendelssohn joke

If you are willing to mention these lies which are 100% factually and easily contested then I guess 18 yo's in a row isn't that far behind.

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Quote: AlanMendelson

I must be playing in casinos on Mars... with red money.

Mission is correct... I'm wasting my time here. It all would have been settled if one of you called the NGC and asking them.

Instead you argue with me.

(702) 486-2020 that's the phone number.
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I called the phone number you provided and spoke to Special Agent Bauer; he says that casinos are NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED to check the ID's of every single patron, but at the same time, may not have someone under the age of 21 gambling, either.

I have played your stupid game and the game is finished. This will be the last time I waste my time on non-facts posted by you but repped as facts. What I will do, however, is I will link people to this post in response to further nonsensical posts of yours, which I fully expect there will be, as I deem appropriate.
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Now that is a thing of beauty. Alan, what say you?

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I must be playing in casinos on Mars... with red money.

Mission is correct... I'm wasting my time here. It all would have been settled if one of you called the NGC and asking them.

Instead you argue with me.

(702) 486-2020 that's the phone number.
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I called the phone number you provided and spoke to Special Agent Bauer; he says that casinos are NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED to check the ID's of every single patron, but at the same time, may not have someone under the age of 21 gambling, either.

I have played your stupid game and the game is finished. This will be the last time I waste my time on non-facts posted by you but repped as facts. What I will do, however, is I will link people to this post in response to further nonsensical posts of yours, which I fully expect there will be, as I deem appropriate.
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Now that is a thing of beauty. Alan, what say you?


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Did you ask the NGC what happens if you are asked for ID and refuse to show it?

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I must be playing in casinos on Mars... with red money.

Mission is correct... I'm wasting my time here. It all would have been settled if one of you called the NGC and asking them.

Instead you argue with me.

(702) 486-2020 that's the phone number.
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I called the phone number you provided and spoke to Special Agent Bauer; he says that casinos are NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED to check the ID's of every single patron, but at the same time, may not have someone under the age of 21 gambling, either.

I have played your stupid game and the game is finished. This will be the last time I waste my time on non-facts posted by you but repped as facts. What I will do, however, is I will link people to this post in response to further nonsensical posts of yours, which I fully expect there will be, as I deem appropriate.
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Now that is a thing of beauty. Alan, what say you?


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Did you ask the NGC what happens if you are asked for ID and refuse to show it?
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Yes.

They said that's ridiculous. You don't have to show it. Only one guy named Alan keeps calling us insisting he knows better but he also thinks you give your Social Security number when signing up for a player's card and he saw 18 yo's in a row so we just ignore him

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Did you ask the NGC what happens if you are asked for ID and refuse to show it?
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Yes, the casino is authorized to kill you on the spot.

(See, I can just make things up too!)

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Quote: AlanMendelson

I must be playing in casinos on Mars... with red money.

Mission is correct... I'm wasting my time here. It all would have been settled if one of you called the NGC and asking them.

Instead you argue with me.

(702) 486-2020 that's the phone number.
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I called the phone number you provided and spoke to Special Agent Bauer; he says that casinos are NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED to check the ID's of every single patron, but at the same time, may not have someone under the age of 21 gambling, either.

I have played your stupid game and the game is finished. This will be the last time I waste my time on non-facts posted by you but repped as facts. What I will do, however, is I will link people to this post in response to further nonsensical posts of yours, which I fully expect there will be, as I deem appropriate.
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Now that is a thing of beauty. Alan, what say you?


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Did you ask the NGC what happens if you are asked for ID and refuse to show it?
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You hear that? It’s the sound of the goalposts being moved.

Alan doesn’t admit he was wrong in his flat assertion that you must show an ID in order to gamble.

Alan never admitted he was wrong about unlinked must hits.


What a joke.

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When a casino asks you, you must show your ID.

As I've said a hundred times sometimes casinos don't follow the law and do not ask.

I gave the 24/7 phone number for the NGC. Has anyone called yet?
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(Quote clipped to remove quote-in-quote)

I'm just quoting this in the likely event that you claim something entirely different from whether or not casinos are legally required to ask for ID was being discussed.

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You hear that? It’s the sound of the goalposts being moved.

Alan doesn’t admit he was wrong in his flat assertion that you must show an ID in order to gamble.

Alan never admitted he was wrong about unlinked must hits.


What a joke.
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It's also possible that is just an example of solid reporting on AlanMendelson's part. While I am compensated for writing, I do consider myself something of an amateur (especially when it comes to articles that are essentially reporting) so these might be the high-level techniques that only a professional would understand.

On the other hand, I suppose the easiest way to get to the truth is simply to make up your own.

I signed up for a Player's Card near Niagara Falls once over a decade ago and they required my SS card for what I wanted to do there. Not sure if my card is wholly expired by now. I think I was trying to exchange currency there, so that'd be a service that required a SS number, if requested. Some services require a SS number, others don't. I suggest that giving the SS number for a Player's Card sign-up may be: a) not required b) optional so you can deal with a hand pay easier or c) required because of some service the casino will be doing for you. They may not necessarily report you to anyone, just put it on file for later.

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I signed up for a Player's Card near Niagara Falls once over a decade ago and they required my SS card for what I wanted to do there. Not sure if my card is wholly expired by now. I think I was trying to exchange currency there, so that'd be a service that required a SS number, if requested. Some services require a SS number, others don't. I suggest that giving the SS number for a Player's Card sign-up may be: a) not required b) optional so you can deal with a hand pay easier or c) required because of some service the casino will be doing for you.
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That was an Indian tribal Casino, correct?

It was the big one on this side of the falls and was not a racino. Is that Indian? I guess so.

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It was the big one on this side of the falls and was not a racino. Is that Indian? I guess so.
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Is that Canadian then?

Or you mean on the US side?

NY upstate Casinos were only Indian tribal until about six years ago.

I was on the USA side of the border. My remembrance of Canadian casinos is that I'd have to put multiple $20's into coin machines to get Canadian quarters at a good exchange rate. This was before TITO's had arrived there. I don't know what I'd do now to get a good exchange rate, but the coin machine had a better exchange rate than the cage. When I cashed out, they'd give me Canadian dollars at the cage. So I take them across the border and exchange them on American side at the casino.

{The Below is Parody)

JANICE: It looks like it's 59 and Mostly Cloudy in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania today. There's almost no chance for rain, though a few isolated regions in our viewing area might see a sprinkle. The cloud cover makes it feel colder than it actually is, but it's been this way for a few days, so viewers should know what to expect. Barbara?

BARBARA: That's your weather, Pittsburgh, so now we're going to throw it to Adam Madison for your casino report, Adam?

ADAM: Barbara and Janice, we really need to make this segment longer for days like these.

Today was a day for Blackjacks apparently, as the number 21 was popular all over Streams Casino in Pittsburgh. A bunch of crazy events on their own, but what made them really wild was that they were all simultaneous.

At the Craps Table, we saw an event where players would have amassed a small fortune Hopping Midnight as the number 12 came 21 times in a row! The two most interesting facts about this event were the fact that the dice landed on top of one another for every single one of these rolls, after barely glancing the back wall on what famed former instructor Frank Scoblete called, "The best toss I have ever seen."

The strangest thing about this occurrence was that not a single player made a bet on 12 the entire time. In fact, all of them unfailingly made Pass Line wagers, over and over again, so every single wager lost.

On the Roulette Table, the number 21 was rolled twenty-one times in a row. Of course, it had only been seven times in a row by the time the drama at the Craps Table ended. We asked the croupier, Reynold Martin, if he'd ever seen anything like that before and

(CUTS TO REYNOLD)

REYNOLD: Seen it? Course I seen it. I can hit 21 whenever I want with my spin. It's all in the wrist, you see. Little flick of the ol' wrist and Imma hit any number I want. I've got a guy comes in I hit numbers for, cuts me in for a quarter of his winnings. I just take it out of the other players. I guess that's why the casino don't care.

ADAM: Well, all right! Remind me not to bet that basket, am I right Barbara? Speaking of baskets, Three-Card Poker players walked away with baskets of money when the casino managed to deal out twenty-one consecutive straight flushes which, somehow, were all 6-7-8 of spades...hey, 21 again!

Of course, that's not all that happened today. In what some might consider sad news, Jakob Wittleman finally passed away, though the Overs are still a little bit happy.

As you know, it's 8:00a.m. here in Pittsburgh and the record for surviving crucifixion is ten hours. Dying seven hours and nine minutes in, Wittleman safely covered the Over of six hours and nineteen minutes, but some people just take the +20000 on a new record every time.

In fact, this is a good time for a public service announcement, don't you think, Janice?

JANICE: Yes, it is, Adam. This is a reminder to all of our viewers that Pennsylvania State Law allows for casinos to publicly crucify anyone the casino requests provide their photographic identification and refuses to do so. Upon the individual being arrested by casino staff, the sportsbook will gather some vitals on that individual and their best handicapper will arrive at an Over/Under line on how long the individual will survive before inevitably succumbing to death. Crucifixions are scheduled for the midnight immediately proceeding the individual's arrest, back to you Adam.

ADAM: That's all I've got Janice.

JANICE: Thank you, Adam. Now, this word from our sponsors...

Do you need diesel? No? Neither do we! Here at "We Ain't Got Gas!", we're here to remind you that diesel trucks are going nowhere this Thanksgiving, so that means you won't be either.

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I must be playing in casinos on Mars... with red money.

Mission is correct... I'm wasting my time here. It all would have been settled if one of you called the NGC and asking them.

Instead you argue with me.

(702) 486-2020 that's the phone number.
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In the future can you please get the names of the agents/employees you have talked to. And please give us the exact word-for-word question you asked them.

Quote: Mission146

Quote: AlanMendelson

I must be playing in casinos on Mars... with red money.

Mission is correct... I'm wasting my time here. It all would have been settled if one of you called the NGC and asking them.

Instead you argue with me.

(702) 486-2020 that's the phone number.
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I called the phone number you provided and spoke to Special Agent Bauer; he says that casinos are NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED to check the ID's of every single patron, but at the same time, may not have someone under the age of 21 gambling, either.

I have played your stupid game and the game is finished. This will be the last time I waste my time on non-facts posted by you but repped as facts. What I will do, however, is I will link people to this post in response to further nonsensical posts of yours, which I fully expect there will be, as I deem appropriate.
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I take this to mean that the casino is legally ALLOWED to check IDs of ALL patrons at the door to verify age, if they wish, the patron MUST show ID, with a policy of no ID or refusal to show ID or being underage=no entry with no exceptions made, no matter how many grey hairs. I also interpret this to mean casinos are ALLOWED to demand a valid ID to verify the age of any or all patrons on the casino floor and the patron MUST show ID with no ID or being underage or refusal to show ID=immediate ejection. Is there any other way to interpret this?

Gene

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Quote: Mission146

Quote: AlanMendelson

I must be playing in casinos on Mars... with red money.

Mission is correct... I'm wasting my time here. It all would have been settled if one of you called the NGC and asking them.

Instead you argue with me.

(702) 486-2020 that's the phone number.
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I called the phone number you provided and spoke to Special Agent Bauer; he says that casinos are NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED to check the ID's of every single patron, but at the same time, may not have someone under the age of 21 gambling, either.

I have played your stupid game and the game is finished. This will be the last time I waste my time on non-facts posted by you but repped as facts. What I will do, however, is I will link people to this post in response to further nonsensical posts of yours, which I fully expect there will be, as I deem appropriate.
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I take this to mean that the casino is legally ALLOWED to check IDs of ALL patrons at the door to verify age, if they wish, the patron MUST show ID, with a policy of no ID or refusal to show ID or being underage=no entry with no exceptions made, no matter how many grey hairs. I also interpret this to mean casinos are ALLOWED to demand a valid ID to verify the age of any or all patrons on the casino floor and the patron MUST show ID with no ID or being underage or refusal to show ID=immediate ejection. Is there any other way to interpret this?

Gene
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Yes there are other ways.

Also not connected to what Alan was asserting.

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Quote: Mission146

Quote: AlanMendelson

I must be playing in casinos on Mars... with red money.

Mission is correct... I'm wasting my time here. It all would have been settled if one of you called the NGC and asking them.

Instead you argue with me.

(702) 486-2020 that's the phone number.
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I called the phone number you provided and spoke to Special Agent Bauer; he says that casinos are NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED to check the ID's of every single patron, but at the same time, may not have someone under the age of 21 gambling, either.

I have played your stupid game and the game is finished. This will be the last time I waste my time on non-facts posted by you but repped as facts. What I will do, however, is I will link people to this post in response to further nonsensical posts of yours, which I fully expect there will be, as I deem appropriate.
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I take this to mean that the casino is legally ALLOWED to check IDs of ALL patrons at the door to verify age, if they wish, the patron MUST show ID, with a policy of no ID or refusal to show ID or being underage=no entry with no exceptions made, no matter how many grey hairs. I also interpret this to mean casinos are ALLOWED to demand a valid ID to verify the age of any or all patrons on the casino floor and the patron MUST show ID with no ID or being underage or refusal to show ID=immediate ejection. Is there any other way to interpret this?

Gene
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Yes there are other ways.

Also not connected to what Alan was asserting.
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Would you care to enlighten us as to alternative ways to interpret the statements of Special Agent Bauer, irrespective of what Alan is asserting?

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I take this to mean that the casino is legally ALLOWED to check IDs of ALL patrons at the door to verify age, if they wish,

Agree

Quote: GenoDRPh

the patron MUST show ID,

Disagree. It’s not illegal if patron refuses to show ID.

Quote: GenoDRPh

with a policy of no ID or refusal to show ID or being underage=no entry with no exceptions made, no matter how many grey hairs.

Disagree. Casino can still legally let you in. Casino risk if it turns out you are under 21, but that’s true whether or not they ask you for ID. That’s the only law. Strict liability for casino if under 21. No liability if 21+. Whether or not you are asked for ID or show ID or don’t is not relevant.

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I also interpret this to mean casinos are ALLOWED to demand a valid ID to verify the age of any or all patrons on the casino floor

I agree.

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and the patron MUST show ID

I disagree. Patron not breaking law if doesn’t show ID.

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with no ID or being underage or refusal to show ID=immediate ejection.

Nope. See above. It’s a strict liability statute based on whether the patron is in fact under 21 or not. Has nothing to do about ID other than the casino view on risk, and casino right to boot a patron if they don’t like the risk.

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Is there any other way to interpret this?

Yes you could use a little bit of reading the statute which is pretty clear on its face.

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Gene
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Quote: unJon

Quote: GenoDRPh

I take this to mean that the casino is legally ALLOWED to check IDs of ALL patrons at the door to verify age, if they wish,

Agree

Quote: GenoDRPh

the patron MUST show ID,

Disagree. It’s not illegal if patron refuses to show ID.

Quote: GenoDRPh

with a policy of no ID or refusal to show ID or being underage=no entry with no exceptions made, no matter how many grey hairs.

Disagree. Casino can still legally let you in. Casino risk if it turns out you are under 21, but that’s true whether or not they ask you for ID. That’s the only law. Strict liability for casino if under 21. No liability if 21+. Whether or not you are asked for ID or show ID or don’t is not relevant.

Quote: GenoDRPh

I also interpret this to mean casinos are ALLOWED to demand a valid ID to verify the age of any or all patrons on the casino floor

I agree.

Quote: GenoDRPh

and the patron MUST show ID

I disagree. Patron not breaking law if doesn’t show ID.

Quote: GenoDRPh

with no ID or being underage or refusal to show ID=immediate ejection.

Nope. See above. It’s a strict liability statute based on whether the patron is in fact under 21 or not. Has nothing to do about ID other than the casino view on risk, and casino right to boot a patron if they don’t like the risk.

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Is there any other way to interpret this?

Yes you could use a little bit of reading the statute which is pretty clear on its face.

Quote: GenoDRPh

Gene
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I wish to point out I never mentioned anything about not presenting ID when demanded being "illegal", The only penalty I mentioned was the casino denying entry to anyone who did not show ID, or mandating they leave the premises if already on the gaming floor and they do not present ID for age verification.

It may not be illegal to not have ID if you are over 2. However, if the casino so chooses, you aren't getting in no matter how old you are without showing ID first. The casino is not legally prohibited from adopting a zero tolerance/no exceptions policy They can still let you in, but they don't have to. Is there a law that mandates the casino allow those over 21 onto the casino floor even if the patron does not have ID?

I'd be more than happy to read a law that mandates a casino must allow entry to patron over 21 yet does not have ID. Otherwise. I more interested in the $24 I just won at Powerball.

Gene

The casino can refuse entry to anyone who refused to show ID if that's their policy.

I am actually aware of a casino that cards at the door and the ID must be scannable or a passport.

Government issued ID that's not scannable this casino will refuse entry. EBT cards for example would prevent entry.

When I lost my ID, the guards gave me a hard time about using my passport. They had to fill out extra paperwork as it's not a scannable document (note when I say scannable I mean they have a barcode validation which recognizes the ID is valid. Passports don't have barcode).

I got the impression they would prefer to not even recognize a passport but the absolute idiocy of not accepting ID for entry that even other countries accept was too much.

I was under the impression that Alan said that casinos were technically supposed to ID everyone in the casino.

(?)

Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: unJon

Quote: GenoDRPh

I take this to mean that the casino is legally ALLOWED to check IDs of ALL patrons at the door to verify age, if they wish,

Agree

Quote: GenoDRPh

the patron MUST show ID,

Disagree. It’s not illegal if patron refuses to show ID.

Quote: GenoDRPh

with a policy of no ID or refusal to show ID or being underage=no entry with no exceptions made, no matter how many grey hairs.

Disagree. Casino can still legally let you in. Casino risk if it turns out you are under 21, but that’s true whether or not they ask you for ID. That’s the only law. Strict liability for casino if under 21. No liability if 21+. Whether or not you are asked for ID or show ID or don’t is not relevant.

Quote: GenoDRPh

I also interpret this to mean casinos are ALLOWED to demand a valid ID to verify the age of any or all patrons on the casino floor

I agree.

Quote: GenoDRPh

and the patron MUST show ID

I disagree. Patron not breaking law if doesn’t show ID.

Quote: GenoDRPh

with no ID or being underage or refusal to show ID=immediate ejection.

Nope. See above. It’s a strict liability statute based on whether the patron is in fact under 21 or not. Has nothing to do about ID other than the casino view on risk, and casino right to boot a patron if they don’t like the risk.

Quote: GenoDRPh

Is there any other way to interpret this?

Yes you could use a little bit of reading the statute which is pretty clear on its face.

Quote: GenoDRPh

Gene
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I wish to point out I never mentioned anything about not presenting ID when demanded being "illegal", The only penalty I mentioned was the casino denying entry to anyone who did not show ID, or mandating they leave the premises if already on the gaming floor and they do not present ID for age verification.

It may not be illegal to not have ID if you are over 2. However, if the casino so chooses, you aren't getting in no matter how old you are without showing ID first. The casino is not legally prohibited from adopting a zero tolerance/no exceptions policy They can still let you in, but they don't have to. Is there a law that mandates the casino allow those over 21 onto the casino floor even if the patron does not have ID?

I'd be more than happy to read a law that mandates a casino must allow entry to patron over 21 yet does not have ID. Otherwise. I more interested in the $24 I just won at Powerball.

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Gene, sorry but you should reread what you wrote.

You said the patron MUST show ID. That’s not true. A patron can, and some do, refuse to show ID.

You said not showing ID=immediate ejection. That’s again not true. That’s the option of the casino.

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I was under the impression that Alan said that casinos were technically supposed to ID everyone in the casino.

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Yes Alan said the law was that a patron had to show ID to gamble.

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Would you care to enlighten us as to alternative ways to interpret the statements of Special Agent Bauer, irrespective of what Alan is asserting?
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It's like somehow I wake up every day lamenting the fact that I interact with other human beings more than I lamented it the day before, yet I continue to do it. It must be some sort of sick masochism. Here is how the conversation went, pretty close to verbatim:

BAUER: "Enforcement Division, Special Agent Bauer (sp?)."

MISSION: "Good day. I apologize for bothering you with this extremely stupid question: I understand that someone must be 21, or older, to gamble in a casino, but does the law (cites statute number, paragraph 4, reads paragraph 4 verbatim) mean or even imply that the casinos in the State of Nevada are required to check the ID's of every single patron."

BAUER: "No, they are not required to do that."

MISSION: "Okay, so to be clear, there is no legal requirement anywhere else that casinos must check the ID's of all patrons?"

BAUER: "There is not."

MISSION: "I assumed not. I apologize for this total waste of your time. Have a good day, Special Agent Bauer."

BAUER: "You too, sir."

Okay, so you can interpret that however you want to. I asked a very direct and pointed question because that is how you ask questions if you want the correct answer. I don't know how Alan asked his question, or if he even called them at all (I'm not suggesting he didn't) but it very well could have been that Alan phrased his question is such a way as to get the answer he wanted. I don't know. I did not hear that conversation.

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I was under the impression that Alan said that casinos were technically supposed to ID everyone in the casino.

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Yes Alan said the law was that a patron had to show ID to gamble.
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Lets' not forget having to show your SS number to get a player's card.

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I take this to mean that the casino is legally ALLOWED to check IDs of ALL patrons at the door to verify age, if they wish, the patron MUST show ID, with a policy of no ID or refusal to show ID or being underage=no entry with no exceptions made, no matter how many grey hairs. I also interpret this to mean casinos are ALLOWED to demand a valid ID to verify the age of any or all patrons on the casino floor and the patron MUST show ID with no ID or being underage or refusal to show ID=immediate ejection. Is there any other way to interpret this?

Gene
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What?

Any business could make presenting ID a requirement for entry if the business wished to do that, as far as I know. Any business, as far as I know, though there might be exceptions, can require that people be a minimum particular age to enter the business. As far as I know, any business can require that people be of this age and can have a policy that they turn away anyone who does not have an ID, irrespective of gray hairs, false teeth, male pattern baldness, wrinkles, cataracts, a non state issued identification that proves the individual is a resident of an assisted care facility for the elderly, etc...

Yes, the casino may request a person show ID at any time. A person may legally state that they do not wish to provide their ID. The formal process for what happens after that is outside of the scope of my knowledge as I have never worked for a casino and, within the boundaries of the law, I should assume that the exact procedure for such an event differs from one property to another.

If you have a point to make, sooner would be preferred to later.

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I take this to mean that the casino is legally ALLOWED to check IDs of ALL patrons at the door to verify age, if they wish,

Agree

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the patron MUST show ID,

Disagree. It’s not illegal if patron refuses to show ID.

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with a policy of no ID or refusal to show ID or being underage=no entry with no exceptions made, no matter how many grey hairs.

Disagree. Casino can still legally let you in. Casino risk if it turns out you are under 21, but that’s true whether or not they ask you for ID. That’s the only law. Strict liability for casino if under 21. No liability if 21+. Whether or not you are asked for ID or show ID or don’t is not relevant.

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I also interpret this to mean casinos are ALLOWED to demand a valid ID to verify the age of any or all patrons on the casino floor

I agree.

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and the patron MUST show ID

I disagree. Patron not breaking law if doesn’t show ID.

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with no ID or being underage or refusal to show ID=immediate ejection.

Nope. See above. It’s a strict liability statute based on whether the patron is in fact under 21 or not. Has nothing to do about ID other than the casino view on risk, and casino right to boot a patron if they don’t like the risk.

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Is there any other way to interpret this?

Yes you could use a little bit of reading the statute which is pretty clear on its face.

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Gene
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I wish to point out I never mentioned anything about not presenting ID when demanded being "illegal", The only penalty I mentioned was the casino denying entry to anyone who did not show ID, or mandating they leave the premises if already on the gaming floor and they do not present ID for age verification.

It may not be illegal to not have ID if you are over 2. However, if the casino so chooses, you aren't getting in no matter how old you are without showing ID first. The casino is not legally prohibited from adopting a zero tolerance/no exceptions policy They can still let you in, but they don't have to. Is there a law that mandates the casino allow those over 21 onto the casino floor even if the patron does not have ID?

I'd be more than happy to read a law that mandates a casino must allow entry to patron over 21 yet does not have ID. Otherwise. I more interested in the $24 I just won at Powerball.

Gene
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Gene, sorry but you should reread what you wrote.

You said the patron MUST show ID. That’s not true. A patron can, and some do, refuse to show ID.

You said not showing ID=immediate ejection. That’s again not true. That’s the option of the casino.
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"That's the option of the casino" is the plain language meaning of what I originally wrote, Thank you for acknowledging you agree with me.

Gene

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I take this to mean that the casino is legally ALLOWED to check IDs of ALL patrons at the door to verify age, if they wish, the patron MUST show ID, with a policy of no ID or refusal to show ID or being underage=no entry with no exceptions made, no matter how many grey hairs. I also interpret this to mean casinos are ALLOWED to demand a valid ID to verify the age of any or all patrons on the casino floor and the patron MUST show ID with no ID or being underage or refusal to show ID=immediate ejection. Is there any other way to interpret this?

Gene
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What?

Any business could make presenting ID a requirement for entry if the business wished to do that, as far as I know. Any business, as far as I know, though there might be exceptions, can require that people be a minimum particular age to enter the business. As far as I know, any business can require that people be of this age and can have a policy that they turn away anyone who does not have an ID, irrespective of gray hairs, false teeth, male pattern baldness, wrinkles, cataracts, a non state issued identification that proves the individual is a resident of an assisted care facility for the elderly, etc...

Yes, the casino may request a person show ID at any time. A person may legally state that they do not wish to provide their ID. The formal process for what happens after that is outside of the scope of my knowledge as I have never worked for a casino and, within the boundaries of the law, I should assume that the exact procedure for such an event differs from one property to another.

If you have a point to make, sooner would be preferred to later.
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I have no point to make. As well, the plain language reading of my first post on this topic was clear.

Gene

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I have no point to make. As well, the plain language reading of my first post on this topic was clear.

Gene
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I guess. I don't know. I don't read most of your posts and you are also not the one just begging for someone to call NGE so you can be definitively proven wrong as opposed to presumptively (to everyone but you) proven wrong.

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I have no point to make. As well, the plain language reading of my first post on this topic was clear.

Gene
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I guess. I don't know. I don't read most of your posts and you are also not the one just begging for someone to call NGE so you can be definitively proven wrong as opposed to presumptively (to everyone but you) proven wrong.
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Okay, it appears that the post I responded to was your first post on this topic. Yes; I have no dispute with any of that.

ADDED: I don't know why you would ask me if I had any other interpretations, though. What I would interpret is irrelevant. There's nothing from the law or what Special Agent Bauer said that I believe is a matter of interpretation.

My local non-7-11 store wouldn't sell me beer with my out of state state ID, so I gave them my passport, that worked.

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I have no point to make. As well, the plain language reading of my first post on this topic was clear.

Gene
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I guess. I don't know. I don't read most of your posts and you are also not the one just begging for someone to call NGE so you can be definitively proven wrong as opposed to presumptively (to everyone but you) proven wrong.
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I take it at face value your statement "I don't know". You are welcome to call the NGC and prove me wrong and for your own edification, if you'd like. Or not. So ends my involvement in this topic, until such time someone can produce evidence disproving my statements.

Gene

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Question: What did Special Agent Bauer think of Mission146?:

A.) That Mission146 was a child trying to troll him and is just really good at disguising his voice.

B.) That Mission146 was an adult trying to troll him.

C.) That Mission146 is mentally handicapped.

I'm voting for C, so we're at 0-0-1 so far.

Everybody is mentally handicapped, especially when they poke holes in Einstein's Theory Of Relativity and win.
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Everybody is mentally handicapped, especially when they poke holes in Einstein's Theory Of Relativity and win.
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(Quote unintentionally clipped, prior post edited)

It's a violation of Forum Rules to use the word that would properly express what I wanted to convey.

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I take this to mean that the casino is legally ALLOWED to check IDs of ALL patrons at the door to verify age, if they wish, the patron MUST show ID, with a policy of no ID or refusal to show ID or being underage=no entry with no exceptions made, no matter how many grey hairs. I also interpret this to mean casinos are ALLOWED to demand a valid ID to verify the age of any or all patrons on the casino floor and the patron MUST show ID with no ID or being underage or refusal to show ID=immediate ejection. Is there any other way to interpret this?

Gene
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What?

Any business could make presenting ID a requirement for entry if the business wished to do that, as far as I know. Any business, as far as I know, though there might be exceptions, can require that people be a minimum particular age to enter the business. As far as I know, any business can require that people be of this age and can have a policy that they turn away anyone who does not have an ID, irrespective of gray hairs, false teeth, male pattern baldness, wrinkles, cataracts, a non state issued identification that proves the individual is a resident of an assisted care facility for the elderly, etc...

Yes, the casino may request a person show ID at any time. A person may legally state that they do not wish to provide their ID. The formal process for what happens after that is outside of the scope of my knowledge as I have never worked for a casino and, within the boundaries of the law, I should assume that the exact procedure for such an event differs from one property to another.

If you have a point to make, sooner would be preferred to later.
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I have no point to make. As well, the plain language reading of my first post on this topic was clear.

Gene
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You’re trying too hard. Carry on.

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A.) That Mission146 was a child trying to troll him and is just really good at disguising his voice.

B.) That Mission146 was an adult trying to troll him.

C.) That Mission146 is mentally handicapped.

I'm voting for C, so we're at 0-0-1 so far.
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Write-in:
D.) I'm a bigot
That Mission146 is trying to unravel a misunderstanding with an abundance of patience and self-restraint

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A.) That Mission146 was a child trying to troll him and is just really good at disguising his voice.

B.) That Mission146 was an adult trying to troll him.

C.) That Mission146 is mentally handicapped.

I'm voting for C, so we're at 0-0-1 so far.
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Based on your transcript, if I was Special Agent (Jack?) Bauer, I would have guessed that you were either 1) trying to settle a bet or 2) told by a casino employee that it was the law that they check your ID, and you did not believe them.

If I can't go with D) None of the above, I would vote for B).

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Everybody is mentally handicapped, especially when they poke holes in Einstein's Theory Of Relativity and win.
‘Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.’
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Well then I am R****ded according to this definition. Because I believe in Quantum theory/String theory, and they are not compatible with General Relativity. This is a major theme of modern physics.

I do have tremendous respect for Einstein though.