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WhydIgetBackoff
WhydIgetBackoff
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May 10th, 2022 at 11:37:46 PM permalink
Warning: Don't visit AP sites (such as the math version of this site) while you're on a casino hotel's wifi with your last name and room number registered to the wifi, they can see what sites you're on.

Just got auto back-off'd at Rio. By auto I mean within 10 minutes, while I was losing, while the shoe was negative, while I was on 1-1 spread because the shoe is just damn bad. So obviously something else caused the back-off.

I've been to vegas several times this past year and always done the same thing without problems. Made a bunch of money too. The only thing I did differently this time was I had to use hotel's wifi to browse AP sites this time. I used to tether data off my phone for that, since I have 30GB/mo data. This month for some reason I ran out early, so I used casino hotel's wifi. and BOOM I got backed off later. Everything else I did were the same as my previous many successful vegas trips.

So one or more of these sites I was on must be the suspect - that the casino hotels look for the url. And match it to your name, since their wifi login forces you to give them your last name and room number. Then they flag you as AP and ban you before you even start your BJ session. Damn, shoulda seen that coming.

wizardofodds com
blackjackscience com
blackjackincolor com
bj21 com
blackjackapprenticeship com
blackjackinfo com

(No direct links because apparently I can't post links as a new member, pretend there is a dot before the com)
Zcore13
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May 11th, 2022 at 12:27:16 AM permalink
Quote: WhydIgetBackoff

Warning: Don't visit AP sites (such as the math version of this site) while you're on a casino hotel's wifi with your last name and room number registered to the wifi, they can see what sites you're on.

Just got auto back-off'd at Rio. By auto I mean within 10 minutes, while I was losing, while the shoe was negative, while I was on 1-1 spread because the shoe is just damn bad. So obviously something else caused the back-off.

I've been to vegas several times this past year and always done the same thing without problems. Made a bunch of money too. The only thing I did differently this time was I had to use hotel's wifi to browse AP sites this time. I used to tether data off my phone for that, since I have 30GB/mo data. This month for some reason I ran out early, so I used casino hotel's wifi. and BOOM I got backed off later. Everything else I did were the same as my previous many successful vegas trips.

So one or more of these sites I was on must be the suspect - that the casino hotels look for the url. And match it to your name, since their wifi login forces you to give them your last name and room number. Then they flag you as AP and ban you before you even start your BJ session. Damn, shoulda seen that coming.

wizardofodds com
blackjackscience com
blackjackincolor com
bj21 com
blackjackapprenticeship com
blackjackinfo com

(No direct links because apparently I can't post links as a new member, pretend there is a dot before the com)
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Fake news. You were backed off for other reasons besides your internet surfing choices.



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ksdjdj
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May 11th, 2022 at 12:42:43 AM permalink
Can't say for sure which site (or combination of sites) was probably the reason, but after a cursory glance I believe every one except the Wizard of Odds*** (WoO) site could have been a major factor in getting the "auto back off".

***: Unless you looked at a "card-counting" and / or an "AP specific" page on the WoO, one example of this could be the "bj trainer", see link here >>> https://wizardofodds.com/play/blackjack-v2/

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Edit (after seeing Zcore's post above):

Have you ever tried to be an AP at that casino or related property before?
If yes, it could be (mostly or all) to do with those previous plays(?)
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May 11th, 2022 at 3:26:27 AM permalink
Quote: WhydIgetBackoff


Everything else I did were the same as my previous many successful vegas trips.

So one or more of these sites I was on must be the suspect - that the casino hotels look for the url.
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Correlation is not causation.

I believe there is some old advice about "don't stay where you play".
From the computer side, the advice might go something like "VPN".

It certainly seems more logical that prior history on the gaming floor may have caught up with you than an IT effort to configure a traffic sniffer to issue a security alert and have well groomed staff wearing suits welcome you and invite you to not play cards.

I'm all for paranoia when they are out to get you.
May the cards fall in your favor.
billryan
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May 11th, 2022 at 5:27:06 AM permalink
Just because you are paranoid is no reason to think there isn't a balrog in the woodpile.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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May 11th, 2022 at 5:51:42 AM permalink
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Just because you are paranoid is no reason to think there isn't a balrog in the woodpile.
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Tru dat, yo.

I still don't think that my paranoia is the reason there is a balrog in the woodpile. No matter; she uses headphones to listen to music and eats the giant spiders, which is convenient.
May the cards fall in your favor.
kewlj
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May 11th, 2022 at 11:12:21 AM permalink
I rarely find myself in agreement with Zcore13, but I think it is unlikely that your backoff is a result of casino monitoring your online viewing. It would take a lot of effort and manpower to monitor everyone using the casinos wifi.

I have found that when I experience a backoff rather quickly, before I have really gotten into my play, that it is a result of 1 of 2 things.

1) previous play that was evaluated probably after I was gone or they didn't have enough time to take action when that play occurred. This could be the result of a large win on previous play, or just cycling through bet spread and return to small wager at the shuffle a number of times (something I try to avoid). This back off on the next trip type of thing is especially common if you are playing rated. As soon as you give your card they see a message to back you off.

2). the second common possibility is play, like a large win, or cycling through your bet spread that raised suspicion at another property or location. If this occurrence resulted in an entry into one of the databases, that you might not even know about, that entry and information, travels faster than you do to the next location. So a new location that uses that database, your entry, will be front and center (new) and they will take action.

I had this second one occur on a trip back east. I was playing Valley Forge Casino in Pa, before they were owned by Boyd, and I had problems there in the past (backoffs), but it was close to a friends home where I was visiting and she wanted to hit Valley Forge. I though, what the hell, I will play aggressively and if they back me off AGAIN, no big deal, I won't be back for 6 months to a year, if ever.

So the session went about as planned. I forget if I won or lost, but I spread aggressively and was fairly quickly backed off. When I returned home to Vegas a few days later, I was immediately backed off at one of my regular casinos, and then a second backoff a couple days later at another regular joint. Valley Forge had placed an entry with picture in one of the databases, which traveled back to Vegas faster than I did. :/
darkoz
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May 11th, 2022 at 11:17:41 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I rarely find myself in agreement with Zcore13, but I think it is unlikely that your backoff is a result of casino monitoring your online viewing. It would take a lot of effort and manpower to monitor everyone using the casinos wifi.

I have found that when I experience a backoff rather quickly, before I have really gotten into my play, that it is a result of 1 of 2 things.

1) previous play that was evaluated probably after I was gone or they didn't have enough time to take action when that play occurred. This could be the result of a large win on previous play, or just cycling through bet spread and return to small wager at the shuffle a number of times (something I try to avoid). This back off on the next trip type of thing is especially common if you are playing rated. As soon as you give your card they see a message to back you off.

2). the second common possibility is play, like a large win, or cycling through your bet spread that raised suspicion at another property or location. If this occurrence resulted in an entry into one of the databases, that you might not even know about, that entry and information, travels faster than you do to the next location. So a new location that uses that database, your entry, will be front and center (new) and they will take action.

I had this second one occur on a trip back east. I was playing Valley Forge Casino in Pa, before they were owned by Boyd, and I had problems there in the past (backoffs), but it was close to a friends home where I was visiting and she wanted to hit Valley Forge. I though, what the hell, I will play aggressively and if they back me off AGAIN, no big deal, I won't be back for 6 months to a year, if ever.

So the session went about as planned. I forget if I won or lost, but I spread aggressively and was fairly quickly backed off. When I returned home to Vegas a few days later, I was immediately backed off at one of my regular casinos, and then a second backoff a couple days later at another regular joint. Valley Forge had placed an entry with picture in one of the databases, which traveled back to Vegas faster than I did. :/
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KewlJ

Check out my latest entry in my GN AC vs Darkoz thread. You can read about what valley Forge did in my case. I posted the actual documents
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mwalz9
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May 11th, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM permalink
WoW! I'm embarassed from all the porn sites they saw me on now.
kewlj
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May 11th, 2022 at 11:40:52 AM permalink
I skimmed the last pages DarkOz. I don't want to hijack this thread of this particular person's incident, but there are a handful of casinos that are to be avoided by AP at all costs. These casinos have the mentality that they are at war with AP's and will spend $1 to save a nickel in thwarting AP play. Some of the worse offenders in my universe of casinos that I play regularly or played regularly are Valley Forge and Cosmopolitan here in Vegas. South Point just behind them. .

Now understand I am not talking about a casino that sweats action, or is known as sweaty in blackjack circles. I am talking about a mentality that they are at war with AP's, and will spend way more money fighting AP's than they are saving. These casinos always have some sort of bean counter high up that is convinced advantage players are effecting their bottom line much, much more than they are.

However, all that said, I am not aware of Rio being in that category.

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