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July 19th, 2021 at 8:56:17 PM permalink
Every hand the player pays a quarter to play. 8 deck shoe / $2 minimum with $300 maximum. All the other rules are pretty standard.

Right around $5 an hour to play? Some players get bored and go all in with whatever they have left (25 to 50). Do not think they are counting.

Is it worth it to count this game and go from 2 to 25 or 50 with a rich deck?
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July 19th, 2021 at 9:14:02 PM permalink
I worked out the house edge increase for the ante here: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/20915-how-bad-is-1-blackjack/#post431373

So for $2 bets the ante increases the house edge 12.5%. Not worth it to suffer that, waiting for a favorable count to bet $25 where the ante still increases the house edge %1.
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July 19th, 2021 at 9:16:11 PM permalink
They might call it an ante, but it's really a fee, since nobody can win any part of the ante.
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July 19th, 2021 at 9:26:03 PM permalink
Closer to $15 per hour to play.

Even betting $100 that increases the edge by about 50% (relative )

Kind of deceiving since a quarter seems like nothing, sort of like how a 6:5 vs 3:2 blackjack payout might seem inconsequential, but it isnít
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July 19th, 2021 at 9:38:11 PM permalink
Is it a quarter per hand or a quarter per decision and a push on ties?
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July 19th, 2021 at 9:44:31 PM permalink
Every hand you pay the 25 cents and then the dealer rakes it before dealing the cards.
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July 19th, 2021 at 9:56:33 PM permalink
Quote: Bucky

Every hand you pay the 25 cents and then the dealer rakes it before dealing the cards.



Just say No!
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July 20th, 2021 at 12:19:32 AM permalink
Quote: Bucky

Every hand you pay the 25 cents and then the dealer rakes it before dealing the cards.

I assume thats if you play in the minimum range and anything above isn't charged a commission?

I think it's a great idea for the casinos to offer $1 blackjack and charge a commission, unless you bet a higher amount. All the tables would be full.
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July 20th, 2021 at 3:30:47 AM permalink
Quote: Ace2

Closer to $15 per hour to play.

Even betting $100 that increases the edge by about 50% (relative )

Kind of deceiving since a quarter seems like nothing, sort of like how a 6:5 vs 3:2 blackjack payout might seem inconsequential, but it isnít



I disagree. Thereís nothing deceptive about this one. If you want to play a $2 minimum, one hand costs one quarter. Straightforward. Easy to calculate percentage.

For someone who wants a live Blackjack experience at a physical casino and canít stomach higher minimums, they can have it, except it comes at a higher KNOWN loss (before you even get into expected loss) than the expected loss sometimes is at the higher minimum tables.

I donít know how it will perform there, but Iíve seen this done before and all such tables have closed sooner than later.

I think the problem is that the quarter quickly proves itself to be way too much relative to base bet if a person wants to have any decent chance of a winning session.

I would think of it as 1 in 8 base bet WINS are 100% negated, and you still lose the hands you lose.
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July 20th, 2021 at 4:34:30 PM permalink
No, you pay the quarter regardless of the amount you bet. The only choice is to move to the next biggest table (which is 10). There are no $5 tables.

Obviously, the casino has this well thought out. The $2 table with the 25 cent fee must be highly profitable and they do not want a $5 game even though they could probably fill 10 of them. Bad players and drunks probably have no chance at 10 and above?

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