Omega Blackjack Team
Quote: AxelWolfSharing TMI publicly might catch you some heat from other Advantage Players. And now that they know what you are up to... Ill let you up the rest together.
You guys don't share info on BJ conditions on the forum? I only share that info as a courtesy to other card counters on the forum, I would want them to share info with me as well.
I do agree with Axel on the problem with the stream as a tool. It wouldn’t take much for a rogue member to circumvent the stream if he wanted to skim. If you are using it solely to check on if players are making errors, I guess it could work.
I’ve wondered on the trust needed..... if you have ever watched the ‘Gold Rush’ shows..... same idea.... it would be quite easy for some of the gold to be split up to not make it into the final tally....
Quote: SOOPOOYou are totally within your rights to mention the BJ conditions on the boat! And EVERY time a +EV situation is mentioned here, Axel will scold you! It is his perspective that mentioning it increases the likelihood of it being eliminated via the casino now being made aware of it. Good luck on the trip and let us know how it worked out!
I do agree with Axel on the problem with the stream as a tool. It wouldn’t take much for a rogue member to circumvent the stream if he wanted to skim. If you are using it solely to check on if players are making errors, I guess it could work.
I’ve wondered on the trust needed..... if you have ever watched the ‘Gold Rush’ shows..... same idea.... it would be quite easy for some of the gold to be split up to not make it into the final tally....
Thanks SOOPOO, I dont quite understand how anyone here could dislike my reporting on beatable blackjack games. I mean there is an entire survey dedicated to that (even mention of quick backoff tolerance) and if Casino's haven't figured out that there blackjack game can be beaten by now, dont think they ever will. lol. Thanks for the good luck, im extremely excited to be back playing. I'll give a trip report when I get back.
Quote: theOmega623Thanks SOOPOO, I dont quite understand how anyone here could dislike my reporting on beatable blackjack games. I mean there is an entire survey dedicated to that (even mention of quick backoff tolerance) and if Casino's haven't figured out that there blackjack game can be beaten by now, dont think they ever will. lol. Thanks for the good luck, im extremely excited to be back playing. I'll give a trip report when I get back.
It is so simple, you must have a 70 IQ or below not to understand it.
When you give away on open boards a combination of good rules and good penetration associated with other details like min/max and location, SOME PLAYERS WILL HIT THE GAME SO HARD, MOST (ALL) CASINOS WILL CHANGE THE CONDITIONS FOR EVERY ONE. PERIOD.
For every hard working pro trying to "discover" interesting games and MILKING them for months/years, making sure not to kill the golden goose, every "low IQ wannabe serious player" spilling the beans on open boards is a nuisance.
You like to exchange about sensitive stuff ? Specific penetration at casino X, name of dealers giving good pen, casinos where the eye is sleeping all night, etc ... Fine, make some friends and have these exchange in private. There's no problem here. This is called "respect for those making a living at it".
Quote: GManIt is so simple, you must have a 70 IQ or below not to understand it.
When you give away on open boards a combination of good rules and good penetration associated with other details like min/max and location, SOME PLAYERS WILL HIT THE GAME SO HARD, MOST (ALL) CASINOS WILL CHANGE THE CONDITIONS FOR EVERY ONE. PERIOD.
For every hard working pro trying to "discover" interesting games and MILKING them for months/years, making sure not to kill the golden goose, every "low IQ wannabe serious player" spilling the beans on open boards is a nuisance.
You like to exchange about sensitive stuff ? Specific penetration at casino X, name of dealers giving good pen, casinos where the eye is sleeping all night, etc ... Fine, make some friends and have these exchange in private. There's no problem here. This is called "respect for those making a living at it".
So you think it's a bad idea to have a blackjack survey giving rules, penetration, tolerance, etc. on an open forum?
I originally discovered the game I'm sharing through Stanford Wong's BJ21 forum, would you consider him a "low IQ wannabe serious player" spilling the beans?
Quote: theOmega623So you think it's a bad idea to have a blackjack survey giving rules, penetration, tolerance, etc. on a open forum?
I originally discovered the game I'm sharing through Stanford Wong's BJ21 forum, would you consider him a "low IQ wannabe serious player" spilling the beans?
I can assure you that going forward you and Gman will disagree on whether you should expose these specific details on this board. Experience here shows that nothing positive will come from future back and forth between the two of you. Both of you have already made your positions on the topic clearly known. I will remind Gman that this is a forum established by the Wizard, and he has CLEARLY weighed in that he permits members such as Omega from exposing these plays.
I will ask Gman this..... are there really casinos that are unaware of card counters? Are unaware of looking for players spreading large multiples? Unaware that large penetration makes them vulnerable? I mean this stuff has been public knowledge for DECADES! And if they care about such things they would have taken countermeasures a LONG time ago!
Quote: SOOPOOI can assure you that going forward you and Gman will disagree on whether you should expose these specific details on this board. Experience here shows that nothing positive will come from future back and forth between the two of you. Both of you have already made your positions on the topic clearly known. I will remind Gman that this is a forum established by the Wizard, and he has CLEARLY weighed in that he permits members such as Omega from exposing these plays.
I will ask Gman this..... are there really casinos that are unaware of card counters? Are unaware of looking for players spreading large multiples? Unaware that large penetration makes them vulnerable? I mean this stuff has been public knowledge for DECADES! And if they care about such things they would have taken countermeasures a LONG time ago!
I agree SOOPOO. His argument honestly makes zero logical sense whatsoever, card counting has been well-known for over 50 years now and casino's know exactly how to make the game unbeatable, but they dont. You know I'm really not interested in this constant back and forth of ridiculousness that seems to have consumed this forum. I dont participate on this forum to engage in pointless banter, that's what Facebook is for. Im here to have intelligent discussions on the game of blackjack. So how about this..I'm going to keep sharing my BJ trips, playing conditions, strategies, etc. with those who are interested, and Gman or anyone else that doesn't like that can just deal with it. Sound good?
Quote: theOmega623I agree SOOPOO. His argument honestly makes zero logical sense whatsoever, card counting has been around for over 50 years now and casino's know exactly how to make the game unbeatable, but they dont. You know I'm really not interested in this constant back and forth of ridiculousness that seems to have consumed this forum. I dont participate on this forum to engage in pointless banter, that's what Facebook is for. Im here to have intelligent discussions on the game of blackjack. So how about this..I'm going to keep sharing my BJ trips, playing conditions, strategies, etc. with those who are interested, and Gman or anyone else that doesn't like that can just deal with it. Sound good?
Alienating the few people who might be of some assistance to you seems like a brilliant strategy for a wannabe counter. Seems like you have a great future behind you.
Quote: billryanAlienating the few people who might be of some assistance to you seems like a brilliant strategy for a wannabe counter. Seems like you have a great future behind you.
No clue what in the world you are talking about.
Quote: billryanAlienating the few people who might be of some assistance to you seems like a brilliant strategy for a wannabe counter. Seems like you have a great future behind you.
What a strange comment this is. What few people are offering to assist me? What few people am I alienating?
I am attempting to assist other players by offering information on my playing trips and game conditions. What are you even talking about?
Quote: theOmega623No clue what in the world you are talking about.
Obviously.
See, it wasn't that hard to find common ground.
Quote: billryanObviously.
See, it wasn't that hard to find common ground.
Actually I take it back, please do us all a favor and feel free to not elaborate on your comments. I think we can all go without another unnecessary and nonsensical post from you bud.
Game: 6D S17 LS
System: Hi-Lo (Il18+)
Spread: $25 - $250
Est time: 10 hours
I'll log back on when I get back and let you guys know how it went, I'll ask those that lack the ability to actually contribute to please do me a solid and not muck up my thread too much with your nonsense til I get back. Cheers guys!
Quote: theOmega623Anyways, about to pack up for the trip and get driving. Here's a quick rundown for the trip..
Game: 6D S17 LS
System: Hi-Lo (Il18+)
Spread: $25 - $250
Est time: 10 hours
I'll log back on when I get back and let you guys know how it went, I'll ask those that lack the ability to actually contribute to please do me a solid and not muck up my thread too much with your nonsense til I get back. Cheers guys!
You are going as a two man team, right? With pooled starting stake, and pooled winnings or losses? If one of you gets backed off, the other guy still continues until the ten hours are done? Do you have an unlimited bankroll no matter how poorly you may be running during those 10 hours? If running really well, any chance you change spread to say $50-$500?
Quote: SOOPOOI will ask Gman this..... are there really casinos that are unaware of card counters? Are unaware of looking for players spreading large multiples? Unaware that large penetration makes them vulnerable? I mean this stuff has been public knowledge for DECADES! And if they care about such things they would have taken countermeasures a LONG time ago!
All casinos are well aware that the game of Blackjack can be beaten. Your reference to spreading large multiple and good penetration are childish...
Many experienced players have some grounds where they exploit the game in a manner that mostly goes unnoticed. Manners that you can't obviously think of based on your poor reasoning and inability to think "outside the box". Most of these methods are based on "good basic conditions " (those everybody know about, casinos included) BUT the methods are applied in a way that the pros can go unnoticed and milk the game for months/years. When someone put on an open boards that casino XYZ gives great penetration of 5.2/6 on swing shift, most "regular counters" will go there, hit the game in NO SUBTLE MANNER resulting in countermeasures by the casino ON MOST OF THE GAME CONDITIONS. These "rude counters" will kill the golden goose for the rest of us...
I am not going to give you a course on Advantage Play cause obviously, you learned how to count and think there isn't much to Blackjack then what your limited brain can sustain...
I feel sorry for you.
Quote: GManAll casinos are well aware that the game of Blackjack can be beaten. Your reference to spreading large multiple and good penetration are childish...
Many experienced players have some grounds where they exploit the game in a manner that mostly goes unnoticed. Manners that you can't obviously think of based on your poor reasoning and inability to think "outside the box". Most of these methods are based on "good basic conditions " (those everybody know about, casinos included) BUT the methods are applied in a way that the pros can go unnoticed and milk the game for months/years. When someone put on an open boards that casino XYZ gives great penetration of 5.2/6 on swing shift, most "regular counters" will go there, hit the game in NO SUBTLE MANNER resulting in countermeasures by the casino ON MOST OF THE GAME CONDITIONS. These "rude counters" will kill the golden goose for the rest of us...
I am not going to give you a course on Advantage Play cause obviously, you learned how to count and think there isn't much to Blackjack then what your limited brain can sustain...
I feel sorry for you.
LOL! You feel sorry for me because I can make 5 (probably 10) times what you do without the need to sit in a smoke filled casino? I understand all your points.... but my point is the one that takes precedence.... THIS IS WIZARD'S FORUM. He has made it clear that exposing such facts is ok here.
Interestingly, I do know how to count (or did 30+ years ago!)..... but my 'limited brain' easily determined it wasn't worth the time nor effort to do so. And yes, there really isn't much to Blackjack....
Now go back and sit in your smoke filled casino looking over your shoulder grinding out a living with no benefits, no pension, and no guarantees..... cowering in fear that a random internet poster can end your career.... but don't waste your time feeling sorry for me!
Quote: SOOPOOLOL! You feel sorry for me because I can make 5 (probably 10) times what you do without the need to sit in a smoke filled casino? I understand all your points.... but my point is the one that takes precedence.... THIS IS WIZARD'S FORUM. He has made it clear that exposing such facts is ok here.
Interestingly, I do know how to count (or did 30+ years ago!)..... but my 'limited brain' easily determined it wasn't worth the time nor effort to do so. And yes, there really isn't much to Blackjack....
Now go back and sit in your smoke filled casino looking over your shoulder grinding out a living with no benefits, no pension, and no guarantees..... cowering in fear that a random internet poster can end your career.... but don't waste your time feeling sorry for me!
Funny, you don't have any interesting point to bring to the discussion except bragging you can make X times what I do without even knowing me. This is laughable.
If you or anyone else (including the Wizard) thinks that it's ok to disclose sensitive information on open boards, good for you all but I have to say this simple way of seeing things is plain stupid! This is what YOU are saying, I doubt the Wiz thinks the same. What it shows is that YOU have never put any serious bets on a BJ table, so leave this game for the grown people and keep your uninformed advice for yourself instead of cheering for a poster that is as ill informed as you are.
Your last sentence is the best :-)
Now, I don't feel sorry for you, I feel pain for you.
Quote: GMan
You like to exchange about sensitive stuff ? Specific penetration at casino X, name of dealers giving good pen, casinos where the eye is sleeping all night, etc ... Fine, make some friends and have these exchange in private. There's no problem here. This is called "respect for those making a living at it".
For those who don't understand what Gman is saying, please read this part again.
It's one thing to talk about card counting since it has been talked about before, and will be talked about going forward... read what I quoted and that's the difference.
theOmega623, it's hard for me to believe that you have/are putting together a serious card counting team but don't understand all this.
Personally, I really don't care about card counting and what's exposed since there are easier ways to make money with less heat and work. Very few card counting teams make It.
If you manage to find a good game, why advertise it? What is the upside?
A former poster( who left because people were talking too much) showed me what I call promo #16. It's a great little deal once you know what to look for. If he posted it here and even a handful of posters had started exploiting it, I doubt it would still be around.
Just because the forum rules allow such discussions doesn't mean discussing them isn't dumb.
In over twenty years of playing, I've never heard a BJ pro suggest playing 6-5 in order to get a free room.
I think you have a clear choice. You are a GUEST here courtesy of the Wizard. You can pm him if you want him to change the rules. But you are nothing short of trying to bully a member following Wiz’s rules because you disagree with them. You tried to explain to Omega why his postings were not to your liking. But it’s his call, not yours. Frankly, if you don’t like it, then you do not have to stay here.
Frankly, I hope you stay. You appear to be a real AP who can add to the discussion here. Try to tone it down a little. Do you think calling someone YOU DON’T KNOW ‘a little mind’ is a good conversation starter or continuer?
I’m calling this post an olive branch.
Quote: SOOPOOYou are a GUEST here courtesy of the Wizard. You can pm him if you want him to change the rules. But you are nothing short of trying to bully a member following Wiz’s rules because you disagree with them. You tried to explain to Omega why his postings were not to your liking. But it’s his call, not yours. Frankly, if you don’t like it, then you do not have to stay here.
I really don't expect the Wiz or any owner of a gambling site that is addressed to APs to put rules stipulating not to divulge sensible information. It's my belief that when a player takes time to learn a count, vary his bets and playing style to make money at the game of 21, he can call himself an AP. Well you can say APs aren't all created equal, fine! However, I also feel I should be allowed to expect a minimum of discretion/professionalism from such "APs" in our little "community" (?) There's some things in life you don't have to explain.
When Billryan tries to tell to what we can call a "novice player" in the AP community (theomega623) that he has a lot more to learn from me and others than alienating us and the only answer is something in the trend of "what are you talking about", then, let me be skeptic about his future as an AP. Like it or nor, it pauses some questions regarding intellectual capacity....
This being said, some may like it while others may find it disappointing, but I'm not going anywhere !
SOOPOO, unfortunately my good friend / partner couldn't make it this trip so I'll be playing solo, should have plenty of funds to cover any down swings and I am absolutely considering an upsize if I do well. I was highly considering running a spread of $50-$500 to start for this trip, but I decided to do the responsible thing and keep risk low.
I'll update asap, this trip doubles as a much needed vacation with the wife and I have promised her my undivided attention once the blackjack play is done! lol
Now on to the trip report, results and playing conditions (butt-hurt alert!) lol. The game was great as expected, penetration a little less than a deck left. The dealers and pit were very nice, we had a nice conversation on the challenges on being a parent and showed pictures of our kids before the tables opened. After about 45 minutes they gave the signal for all games to open and wished me luck.
First shoe I immediately got a high count, +16 with about 2 decks left and starting firing out max bets..and lost every one of them! Through the first 10 shoes I just got clobbered, then slowly went up and down for awhile. After about an hour I was down nearly $4K (actually not as bad as I had thought) but the dealers and pit were very nice, they felt bad for me lol. Around this time, I was very happy that I'd decided not to upsize for the trip!
Some players might decide to hang it up, but unfortunately for the boat I'm not one of them. I dont think they could believe I was staying for more punishment, but I kept playing and started climbing back up, winning some $150 bets and finally I get a sky high count, +15 with about a deck and a quarter left, so I decide to push out 2 hands of $250. I get a freaking ace on each hand and I'm like "oh yeah here we go"..then she deals the first hand an 8 and the 2nd hand a 9 and I'm like shit! But then deals herself a 5 up-card. I have A,9 and A,8 and my heart rate goes up, I double both of them and get 10's. She flips a 5 for 10 and I'm thinking "are you serious???" She pauses and visibly gets sad for me lol..then deals herself a 7! That might be the most I've ever celebrated at a blackjack table! lol. I had a handful of big wins after that, and all said and done I ended the trip up $3,825. Not a bad start for my return and I had a great time!
About to get ready and take my wife out for a nice dinner, get some drinks and walk on the beach, then drive back home in the morning. I'm feeling very grateful right now, hopefully this is the start to a really good year!
Quote: SOOPOONice report... do you think they were unaware you were counting or just don’t care? Sounds like the latter....
Thanks SOOPOO. I don't really think they knew I was counting but I'm not sure. I used a lot of deviations and both the dealer and pit boss made comments about it a few times in a joking way, sort of like they thought I was playing wrong but still wanted me to win. The pit boss just stood and watched me play for awhile and when I was betting big he was subtly cheering for me to win and talking to me about the game, for example I doubled 9 v 7 and won and then when I got it again a few hands later the count had dropped so I took a hit and won. He was like "man, you should've doubled that one". I was like "I know man I thought about it" lol. Maybe he knew and just didn't care, I dont know but I think being polite and chatting with them goes a long way.
Quote: GManI really don't expect the Wiz or any owner of a gambling site that is addressed to APs to put rules stipulating not to divulge sensible information. It's my belief that when a player takes time to learn a count, vary his bets and playing style to make money at the game of 21, he can call himself an AP. Well you can say APs aren't all created equal, fine! However, I also feel I should be allowed to expect a minimum of discretion/professionalism from such "APs" in our little "community" (?) There's some things in life you don't have to explain.
When Billryan tries to tell to what we can call a "novice player" in the AP community (theomega623) that he has a lot more to learn from me and others than alienating us and the only answer is something in the trend of "what are you talking about", then, let me be skeptic about his future as an AP. Like it or nor, it pauses some questions regarding intellectual capacity....
This being said, some may like it while others may find it disappointing, but I'm not going anywhere !
GMan, I am sorry that I am late to "which should I call it" a discussion. I did not realize where the thread was going, and haven't followed it. Actually, every post you made in the thread was excellent and well stated. Although even though I agree with every point you made I think that you got all worked up by someone just putting on a facade for amusement purposes, nothing more, only looking for reactions, at least I hope so. If that is not the case I am behind you 100% on this issue, as well as getting fully involved.
Quote: theOmega623Hey guys, I hope everyone is doing well!
So after what feels like an eternity, I have finally decided to resume my blackjack career. On a previous thread I discussed the possibility of forming a blackjack team using live streaming, so I wanted to let you guys know that if anyone is interested in watching my first stream I am planning a trip for the end of April. I have created a private Facebook group where I will be live streaming my play and I can give an invite to any players that want to view it. I will be traveling with a friend / partner that I have teamed up with many times over the years, he uses Hi-Lo Il18 and I will be using the same system / spread as him. For the sake of team play, I will not be using AO2 as it is much easier to track the playing as I believe most players are Hi-Lo players.
We have not decided the exact date or location yet, I will let you know when we have decided that. Would love to hear your thoughts or any questions you have and let me know if you want to join the group!
- Omega
I thought card counting is mostly solo AP system.
Quote: theOmega623What a strange comment this is. What few people are offering to assist me? What few people am I alienating?
I am attempting to assist other players by offering information on my playing trips and game conditions. What are you even talking about?
theOmeca623, here is a good tip for you, and you can take it for what it is worth. This site has a private messaging feature, and it serves a very necessary purpose.
Quote: BoSoxGMan, I am sorry that I am late to "which should I call it" a discussion. I did not realize where the thread was going, and haven't followed it. Actually, every post you made in the thread was excellent and well stated. Although even though I agree with every point you made I think that you got all worked up by someone just putting on a facade for amusement purposes, nothing more, only looking for reactions, at least I hope so. If that is not the case I am behind you 100% on this issue, as well as getting fully involved.
Uh-oh, BoSox is getting fully involved. I'm in trouble now guys! 😂
Nobody cares BoTox, hop off my thread.
Quote: theOmega623Uh-oh, BoSox is getting fully involved. I'm in trouble now guys! 😂
Nobody cares BoTox, hop off my thread.
Omega623, plenty of people in this thread tried to offer very good sound advice to you and you just ignore it all. A man with all the answers, let's see how this all works out for you.
Quote: BoSoxOmega623, plenty of people in this thread tried to offer very good sound advice to you and you just ignore it all. A man with all the answers, let's see how this all works out for you.
By advice, do you mean getting all butt hurt about the fact that I was sharing info on a blackjack game that can easily be found on at least 3 different open forums? Don't try to play nice now, you saw your friends were bashing on a member and you wanted in on the fun, that's fine. Don't worry though, Gman and billryan should be along shortly to help you out. Sort of like the Avengers..but for trolling. Like the Troll Avengers!
Quote: theOmega623By advice, do you mean getting all butt hurt about the fact that I was sharing info on a blackjack game that can easily be found on at least 3 different open forums? Don't try to play nice now, you saw your friends were bashing on a member and you wanted in on the fun, that's fine. Don't worry though, Gman and billryan should be along shortly to help you out. Sort of like the Avengers..but for trolling. Like the Troll Avengers!
Bottom line is that no one bashed on you nowhere near the amount that you deserved. No that would be wrong too. All of it was rather pathetic on your part as everything that was being told to you, was incomprehensible to your understanding. It's People like you that are the reasons why some of the better players leave these sites.
In the meanwhile, a blast from the past.
Columbus Day, 2003
I'm playing with a friend at the DD game at the Sweaty Spaniard.
$5 minimum, but I'm betting $15, spreading 2X, occasionally 3X, but the cards are not flowing right. Two hours in, and I'm down about $150 when the first-hand eats up nine cards with only one face, so I make my move and jump to two hands at $25. Dealer screechs out Checks Play as I'm dealt a pair of 8s and a pair of 9s. Dealer shows a 4, and my friend stays on 15.
I split my 8s and naturally get a 3, so I have to buy in and am dealt a 6. Hit the next 8 and get a 2. Buy in again and double down for a 7. Move on to the next hand and split my nines after again buying chips. The pit boss wanders by and sees a bunch of green chips where there had been red for the last hour. Naturally, I get another 9 and have to buy even more chips. This time I get an 8, so I move on to the next hand, where I draw an Ace. Normally, I'd stay on a soft 20, but the count is as high as I've ever seen, so I double it and get another 9. I hit the last 9 and get a 7, so I'm looking at hands of 17,17,17,19 for $50 and 16 for $25. The dealer makes a comment about how she wonders if there are any tens left, and the Pit guy says They know how many are in there.
The dealer turns her card, and it's a 4. Thoughts of eating off the value menu creep into my mind, and the dealer proceeds to turn over a 6.
The dealer, who I'd never seen before, seems to triple count before she deals herself an ace for a four-card 17.
All that drama, and I end up losing $25. As the dealer is cleaning up the mess of chips, the pit guy is on the phone and comes right up to me.
Now comes a moment that can change one's destiny. It is a monster count, but the pit creatures seem fully alert and ready to pounce if we make a monster bet. I drop down to two hands of $10, and the next eight cards are all faces.
I ask the pit for a comp to Careful Kittys and walk away .
Quote: BoSoxBottom line is that no one bashed on you nowhere near the amount that you deserved. No that would be wrong too. All of it was rather pathetic on your part as everything that was being told to you, was incomprehensible to your understanding. It's People like you that are the reasons why some of the better players leave these sites.
Yawn.. anyone else want to take a shot?
Quote: billryanJust to be sure, I went back and read the ten or so threads the OP has started. I'd suggest others do as well.
In the meanwhile, a blast from the past.
Columbus Day, 2003
I'm playing with a friend at the DD game at the Sweaty Spaniard.
$5 minimum, but I'm betting $15, spreading 2X, occasionally 3X, but the cards are not flowing right. Two hours in, and I'm down about $150 when the first-hand eats up nine cards with only one face, so I make my move and jump to two hands at $25. Dealer screechs out Checks Play as I'm dealt a pair of 8s and a pair of 9s. Dealer shows a 4, and my friend stays on 15.
I split my 8s and naturally get a 3, so I have to buy in and am dealt a 6. Hit the next 8 and get a 2. Buy in again and double down for a 7. Move on to the next hand and split my nines after again buying chips. The pit boss wanders by and sees a bunch of green chips where there had been red for the last hour. Naturally, I get another 9 and have to buy even more chips. This time I get an 8, so I move on to the next hand, where I draw an Ace. Normally, I'd stay on a soft 20, but the count is as high as I've ever seen, so I double it and get another 9. I hit the last 9 and get a 7, so I'm looking at hands of 17,17,17,19 for $50 and 16 for $25. The dealer makes a comment about how she wonders if there are any tens left, and the Pit guy says They know how many are in there.
The dealer turns her card, and it's a 4. Thoughts of eating off the value menu creep into my mind, and the dealer proceeds to turn over a 6.
The dealer, who I'd never seen before, seems to triple count before she deals herself an ace for a four-card 17.
All that drama, and I end up losing $25. As the dealer is cleaning up the mess of chips, the pit guy is on the phone and comes right up to me.
Now comes a moment that can change one's destiny. It is a monster count, but the pit creatures seem fully alert and ready to pounce if we make a monster bet. I drop down to two hands of $10, and the next eight cards are all faces.
I ask the pit for a comp to Careful Kittys and walk away .
Cool story bro.
Curious, did you guys get this butt hurt over the Wizard's complete guide and blackjack survey of all the game conditions in Las Vegas and bombard him with this nonsense? Or just mad that I shared info about a single game out in the middle of nowhere, SC?
Quote: billryanAlienating the few people who might be of some assistance to you seems like a brilliant strategy for a wannabe counter. Seems like you have a great future behind you.
Quote: theOmega623
No clue what in the world you are talking about.
Omega repeats Bill Ryan's above quote
Quote: billryan
Alienating the few people who might be of some assistance to you seems like a brilliant strategy for a wannabe counter. Seems like you have a great future behind you.
Quote: theOmega623
What a strange comment this is. What few people are offering to assist me? What few people am I alienating?
I am attempting to assist other players by offering information on my playing trips and game conditions. What are you even talking about?
Enough said!
BoTox you've got to be the worst sidekick ever 😂 now go flash the troll signal into the sky and summon Gman for help, you're gonna need it.
My playing partners and I had reserved a table at Resorts AC. back then, midweek, you could reserve a table if you promised them $3,000 in action per hour. I'm spreading $25-$75, with my one friend betting similar and my other is flat betting $50.
The Goddess of BJ must have been distracted that day as she was of no help whatsoever, and it seemed like the dealer was constantly pulling five-card 21s when he wasn't getting BJs.
After about two hours, I pull the plug and go get something to eat. While eating, I lick my wounds and count what is left of my bankroll.
Thru the wonders of card counting, I'd converted my $2500 bankroll into a much easier to handle $300. I wander down to Caesars, where a bus back to NY is leaving in about twenty minutes, but my friends are not ready to leave yet.
So I break out my BR, sit down at a table, and the dealer gets three BJs in my first four hands, all of which I lost. Wander over to another table with similar results. Then I hit the Sic Bo table and lose four more times. I think I'm done, so I head to the bus waiting room. When I pull out my bus ticket, I'm surprised to find about $70 tucked in it. I'd bought it with a $100 bill, and I guess I stuck the change in it. I throw $20 in a Triple Diamond 50 cent slot, and it is gone in a minute. Throw in another, and a few spins in, I hit Triple diamond and two double bars for $360. Feeling cocky, I head to the roulette table and throw $25 on Red. It wins, and I let it ride. Two in a row.
Feeling good, I switch my bet and cover ten numbers for $10 each. I lose, but I cover the same bet again, and this time one hits. With my BR semi-restored with about $600, I head back to Resorts, where my flat-betting friend is on a massive winning streak. My other friend had walked away, so he had the table to himself and said he had hit a shoe where he only lost once. I go to sit down, and he tells me to get lost; he doesn't want anything to disturb his streak. It starts to get choppy, and he calls it a day.
We hit the bar outside the Sands for some beer and pizza and to gawk at Sandy,the hottest bartender in AC. On the day, the two card counters managed to lose $4500 playing BJ while my flat-betting BS player won $1800.
It was a long bus ride home.
Quote: billryanDateline- uncertain, sometime in the early 2000s.
My playing partners and I had reserved a table at Resorts AC. back then, midweek, you could reserve a table if you promised them $3,000 in action per hour. I'm spreading $25-$75, with my one friend betting similar and my other is flat betting $50.
The Goddess of BJ must have been distracted that day as she was of no help whatsoever, and it seemed like the dealer was constantly pulling five-card 21s when he wasn't getting BJs.
After about two hours, I pull the plug and go get something to eat. While eating, I lick my wounds and count what is left of my bankroll.
Thru the wonders of card counting, I'd converted my $2500 bankroll into a much easier to handle $300. I wander down to Caesars, where a bus back to NY is leaving in about twenty minutes, but my friends are not ready to leave yet.
So I break out my BR, sit down at a table, and the dealer gets three BJs in my first four hands, all of which I lost. Wander over to another table with similar results. Then I hit the Sic Bo table and lose four more times. I think I'm done, so I head to the bus waiting room. When I pull out my bus ticket, I'm surprised to find about $70 tucked in it. I'd bought it with a $100 bill, and I guess I stuck the change in it. I throw $20 in a Triple Diamond 50 cent slot, and it is gone in a minute. Throw in another, and a few spins in, I hit Triple diamond and two double bars for $360. Feeling cocky, I head to the roulette table and throw $25 on Red. It wins, and I let it ride. Two in a row.
Feeling good, I switch my bet and cover ten numbers for $10 each. I lose, but I cover the same bet again, and this time one hits. With my BR semi-restored with about $600, I head back to Resorts, where my flat-betting friend is on a massive winning streak. My other friend had walked away, so he had the table to himself and said he had hit a shoe where he only lost once. I go to sit down, and he tells me to get lost; he doesn't want anything to disturb his streak. It starts to get choppy, and he calls it a day.
We hit the bar outside the Sands for some beer and pizza and to gawk at Sandy,the hottest bartender in AC. On the day, the two card counters managed to lose $4500 playing BJ while my flat-betting BS player won $1800.
It was a long bus ride home.
That's a really nice story billryan, I genuinely enjoyed it. It's amazing what a difference it makes when you leave out the condescending jokes and childish remarks, and it wasn't even that hard was it? I feel like we're making some progress..
I may get barred ?
I don't give a fuck.
Quote: GManThis place is so much fun. Bo Sox and any other with more than half a brain, we should just left omega by himself, he's just another bozo passing by and will be out of the circuit in a few years. We are trying to talk to a complete moron and OBVIOUSLY ON A SITE THAT HAS NO CONTROL OVER THESE DUMB ASS. Some people are ready to accept anything to get a few hits...
I may get barred ?
I don't give a fuck.
Please don't bar Gman, he just got a little triggered that's all. You are right about one thing though, should have just left me by myself..but that's just not in the nature of the troll now is it?
Quote: theOmega623They actually have a great game, 6D S17 LS with really good penetration (less than a deck) and they tolerate a big spread (1-20). If any players on this forum are ever in that area, it's definitely worth the trip.
Moses, and I used PM and talk about low IQ people like you. You know Omega623 in reality you and others like you hurt new players in the fact that you put to a complete stop some other experienced players from wanting to contribute. Go ahead and have fun with your Facebook team. It is not always about you.
Quote: BoSoxMoses, and I used PM and talk about low IQ people like you. You know Omega623 in reality you and others like you hurt new players in the fact that you put to a complete stop some other experienced players from wanting to contribute. Go ahead and have fun with your Facebook team. It is not always about you.
You know what..it's just too easy at this point. Sure you want to keep going?
Quote: theOmega623You know what..it's just too easy at this point. Sure you want to keep going?
Please tell me you don't think you are looking good in this?
Quote: billryanPlease tell me you don't think you are looking good in this?
Dang billy, I thought we were finally just starting to get along. Okay then, what else ya got?
Quote: theOmega623I appreciate that AxelWolf and I agree 100% with what you're saying. My only purpose for a BJ play stream is to make it possible for BJ team members to view each others play, both in real-time and to act as somewhat of an archive. Now their are some obvious problems, like too much playing time to be watched, reliability of the stream, etc that hopefully can be worked out. But I think that having the ability to watch your teammates playing not only allows you to see the level of accuracy they are playing, but it creates a huge incentive for everyone to be honest about their playing time and their results. We all know most teams fail due to a lack of trust, and for good reason. But I'll keep you guys updated and hopefully this first test run will go well, again thanks for the feedback!
I don't see where any casino would have a problem with that. Seriously are you nuts? At least it eliminates the need for hand signals for Wonging purposes.
