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February 23rd, 2021 at 12:30:49 PM permalink
So we have a games called infinite blackjack - pretty sure that one guy who makes never ending news is the creator of it but not sure




And we have Stadium Blackjack



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Both are dealt ALMOST with the same procedure

except one difference - stadium blackjack players get to use the next cards as they come out for their hand

infinite blackjack DOES NOT

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Heres an example - we have a "shuffled shoe" of cards

Shoe : 5432TJQKA

Infinite blackjack hands are dealt out like this :

Good Player : 53T
Bad Player : 53TJ (player hit his 18 because hes bad at this game)
Dealer with good player: 42JQ
Dealer with bad player : 42QK

Stadium blackjack hands are dealt like this :

Good player : 53T
Bad Player : 53TJ
Dealer with good player :42JQ
Dealer with bad player : 42TJ

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the only reason im asking this question is because there are some really REALLy bad players in PA who will split tens and hit a soft 20

the "rule variation" is that on stadium the players who "play optimally" do not get affected if a bad player makes a bad move because they always get the next card as the infinite blackjack players must wait till all people are done acting "badly" and are always affecting the other players because they are using up the cards that the dealer normally would have gotten

is there a HA associated with the differences in rules
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February 23rd, 2021 at 12:57:57 PM permalink
I've only played stadium BJ a couple times, and that was at the Sands PA - yeah, back when it was still the Sands.

Your description does not match my experience AT ALL.

My experience, playing while watching another player next to me, is that no player's actions can affect the cards that other players will use, and that the dealer's hit cards may not be the same on other terminals, but it's based on how many cards the player at the terminal took - not what other people take.

Every terminal shows the same thing. I.E. Whatever the dealer starts with, is the same on every terminal, and that includes what card is turned over when that time comes. Similarly, every player starts with the same two cards.

Then every player decides his action. If he takes a card (for whatever reason: hit, double down, split and dealt, etc.) he gets the next card drawn, and continues until he stands. Once he stands, the next card is given to the dealer if needed, while it may be used for players on some terminals.

In other words, every player makes a decision. Once decided, the card drawn is either given to the player, or used for the dealer at that player's terminal. Sometimes, cards are still being drawn when your own action, and your dealer's action, have been completed.

THEREFORE, using the deck in your example: 5432TJQKA

All terminals will show 53 for the player and show 4 for the dealer, with a 2 as the hole card.

Assume you have all 3 types of players.

Player A stupidly takes two hits, he gets the T and J, while the dealer shows his 2 and takes the Q and K.

Player B correctly takes one hit, he gets the T, while the dealer shows his 2 and takes the J and Q, and burns the K.

Player C stupidly takes no hits, the dealer shows his 2 and takes the T and J, then burns the Q and K.

On the next hand, every terminal starts with the A for the players.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 1:02:43 PM permalink
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always affecting the other players because they are using up the cards that the dealer normally would have gotten



I mean, they're slowing down the number of hands the other players get. Otherwise they aren't affecting the other players return in the slightest.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 1:16:56 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I've only played stadium BJ a couple times, and that was at the Sands PA - yeah, back when it was still the Sands.

Your description does not match my experience AT ALL.

My experience, playing while watching another player next to me, is that no player's actions can affect the cards that other players will use, and that the dealer's hit cards may not be the same on other terminals, but it's based on how many cards the player at the terminal took - not what other people take.



"No players actions can effect another player" is written into Pennsylvania law in some fashion. I forget the exact wording.

I remember I didn't understand it at the time I read it, but the first time I played stadium blackjack (also at Sands Bethlehem) I then understood.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 2:20:30 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I've only played stadium BJ a couple times, and that was at the Sands PA - yeah, back when it was still the Sands.

Your description does not match my experience AT ALL.

My experience, playing while watching another player next to me, is that no player's actions can affect the cards that other players will use, and that the dealer's hit cards may not be the same on other terminals, but it's based on how many cards the player at the terminal took - not what other people take.

Every terminal shows the same thing. I.E. Whatever the dealer starts with, is the same on every terminal, and that includes what card is turned over when that time comes. Similarly, every player starts with the same two cards.

Then every player decides his action. If he takes a card (for whatever reason: hit, double down, split and dealt, etc.) he gets the next card drawn, and continues until he stands. Once he stands, the next card is given to the dealer if needed, while it may be used for players on some terminals.

In other words, every player makes a decision. Once decided, the card drawn is either given to the player, or used for the dealer at that player's terminal. Sometimes, cards are still being drawn when your own action, and your dealer's action, have been completed.

THEREFORE, using the deck in your example: 5432TJQKA

All terminals will show 53 for the player and show 4 for the dealer, with a 2 as the hole card.

Assume you have all 3 types of players.

Player A stupidly takes two hits, he gets the T and J, while the dealer shows his 2 and takes the Q and K.

Player B correctly takes one hit, he gets the T, while the dealer shows his 2 and takes the J and Q, and burns the K.

Player C stupidly takes no hits, the dealer shows his 2 and takes the T and J, then burns the Q and K.

On the next hand, every terminal starts with the A for the players.



I知 going to check it out to make sure what I think I知 seeing is incorrect. I live 5 minutes away so shouldn稚 be too difficult to make sure I知 wrong.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 2:23:23 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

"No players actions can effect another player" is written into Pennsylvania law in some fashion. I forget the exact wording.

I remember I didn't understand it at the time I read it, but the first time I played stadium blackjack (also at Sands Bethlehem) I then understood.



Definitely looking this up ty
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February 23rd, 2021 at 2:39:11 PM permalink
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Definitely looking this up ty



Please do.

But I should clarify that I am going back my time living in Pa. Casinos were first approved with no table games. Table games came a couple years later. So to compensate, some began offering different variations of electronic games that groups of people could play simulating a table game experience. Parx had the first one that I played. It was at this time that they came up with a rule or state regulation that one players action could not effect another player. And like I said, I never even understood what that was about until I saw the stadium blackjack at Sands several years later, in which one player hitting does not effect the other player. The next card up thing got around this rule.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 2:44:50 PM permalink
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Please do.

But I should clarify that I am going back my time living in Pa. Casinos were first approved with no table games. Table games came a couple years later. So to compensate, some began offering different variations of electronic games that groups of people could play simulating a table game experience. Parx had the first one that I played. It was at this time that they came up with a rule or state regulation that one players action could not effect another player. And like I said, I never even understood what that was about until I saw the stadium blackjack at Sands several years later, in which one player hitting does not effect the other player. The next card up thing got around this rule.



I absolutely saw the connection to that specific machine and it痴 the only time I ever heard that rule - I also thought the rule was trashed but I read it somewhere outside of the gaming controls website so I知 almost certain I値l have to dig through archives to figure out which law that pertained to thank you for the reply
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February 23rd, 2021 at 2:51:42 PM permalink
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I absolutely saw the connection to that specific machine and it痴 the only time I ever heard that rule - I also thought the rule was trashed but I read it somewhere outside of the gaming controls website so I知 almost certain I値l have to dig through archives to figure out which law that pertained to thank you for the reply



It may have been trashed, I don't know. Like I said this was the 2 year period between when casino opened and when table games were approved. I mean once traditional table games were approved, one players action (taking a card) DOES effect the outcome of another player.

So I don't know if the rule or regulation was changed or eliminated at that point. That was just the time I moved to Las Vegas and stopped following Pennsylvania as closely. But definitely for at least a period they had a rule or regulation that one players action could not effect the outcome of another players hand or bet.
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February 23rd, 2021 at 9:06:54 PM permalink
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So we have a games called infinite blackjack - pretty sure that one guy who makes never-ending news is the creator of it but not sure


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