Greasyjohn
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December 14th, 2020 at 1:45:39 AM permalink
On the Wizard of Odds site there is a basic strategy calculator. If surrender is offered you can choose:
Allowed with any dealer up card, or,
Allowed on a dealer two through ten.

So this is late surrender, right? If so you can surrender against a dealer ace-up as long as the dealer does not have blackjack. So why is there the “Allowed on a dealer two through 10” option? Are there casinos that offer late surrender where you can’t surrender against a dealer ace-up even if the dealer doesn’t have a 10- under?
ChumpChange
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December 14th, 2020 at 1:51:25 AM permalink
The dealer with an ace up asks if you want insurance then checks for a blackjack. If the dealer has a blackjack, surrender was never an option. If the dealer doesn't have blackjack, then you can surrender when it's your turn. If the dealer has a 10, the dealer checks for blackjack before it was ever your turn to consider surrender.

Now, casino rules that exempt surrender on a dealer ace without a blackjack, I don't understand.
Greasyjohn
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December 14th, 2020 at 1:59:13 AM permalink
If the dealer doesn’t have a blackjack then you can surrender if you want to. That’s easy to understand. But what does “Allowed on a dealer two through ten” mean? Does this mean that if the dealer has an ace as an up-card you cannot surrender even though the dealer doesn’t have a blackjack?
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GMan
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December 14th, 2020 at 12:10:24 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Does this mean that if the dealer has an ace as an up-card you cannot surrender even though the dealer doesn’t have a blackjack?


Yep, exactly.
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Greasyjohn
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December 14th, 2020 at 12:18:27 PM permalink
Quote: GMan

Yep, exactly.



Thanks, GMan.

Are there any casinos in Vegas that offer late surrender, but not against a dealer ace? I’ve never heard of this rule. But then I’ve only played a couple of times where surrender is even offered.
GMan
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December 14th, 2020 at 3:27:11 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Thanks, GMan.

Are there any casinos in Vegas that offer late surrender, but not against a dealer ace? I’ve never heard of this rule. But then I’ve only played a couple of times where surrender is even offered.


Nope, all of Las Vegas casinos offering Late Surrender offer the "full version".
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DJTeddyBear
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December 14th, 2020 at 3:37:10 PM permalink
Doesn’t “Late surrender” by definition, mean after checking for a dealer BJ?
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GMan
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December 14th, 2020 at 3:43:47 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Doesn’t “Late surrender” by definition, mean after checking for a dealer BJ?


It's not what he wanted to know. He is referring to a surrender version where you cannot surrender against the Ace. Nothing to do with checking for BJ or not.
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