Surrender Question

On the Wizard of Odds site there is a basic strategy calculator. If surrender is offered you can choose:
Allowed with any dealer up card, or,
Allowed on a dealer two through ten.

So this is late surrender, right? If so you can surrender against a dealer ace-up as long as the dealer does not have blackjack. So why is there the “Allowed on a dealer two through 10” option? Are there casinos that offer late surrender where you can’t surrender against a dealer ace-up even if the dealer doesn’t have a 10- under?

The dealer with an ace up asks if you want insurance then checks for a blackjack. If the dealer has a blackjack, surrender was never an option. If the dealer doesn't have blackjack, then you can surrender when it's your turn. If the dealer has a 10, the dealer checks for blackjack before it was ever your turn to consider surrender.

Now, casino rules that exempt surrender on a dealer ace without a blackjack, I don't understand.

If the dealer doesn’t have a blackjack then you can surrender if you want to. That’s easy to understand. But what does “Allowed on a dealer two through ten” mean? Does this mean that if the dealer has an ace as an up-card you cannot surrender even though the dealer doesn’t have a blackjack?

Quote: Greasyjohn

Does this mean that if the dealer has an ace as an up-card you cannot surrender even though the dealer doesn’t have a blackjack?

Yep, exactly.

Quote: GMan

Yep, exactly.

Thanks, GMan.

Are there any casinos in Vegas that offer late surrender, but not against a dealer ace? I’ve never heard of this rule. But then I’ve only played a couple of times where surrender is even offered.

Quote: Greasyjohn

Thanks, GMan.

Are there any casinos in Vegas that offer late surrender, but not against a dealer ace? I’ve never heard of this rule. But then I’ve only played a couple of times where surrender is even offered.

Nope, all of Las Vegas casinos offering Late Surrender offer the "full version".

Doesn’t “Late surrender” by definition, mean after checking for a dealer BJ?

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Doesn’t “Late surrender” by definition, mean after checking for a dealer BJ?

It's not what he wanted to know. He is referring to a surrender version where you cannot surrender against the Ace. Nothing to do with checking for BJ or not.