theOmega623
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July 19th, 2020 at 11:45:28 AM permalink
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I would say yes no matter what but if were getting technical, if the spy cam is connected to a computer that allows you to statistically remember and analyze the cards that have come out YES, but i am not a lawyer so dont quote me but NO if its just a camera recording play.

There are a FEW people on youtube who risk their (livelihoods?) who play games on hidden cameras.

Buuuuuut. If your like the SlotLady on Youtube, you could PAY a casino to let you film. Must be hard to do though. Casinos dont want you to film at all usually and i think its more of a privacy thing for the OTHER people who are there. You have to point the cameras down and you cant get the dealers face in... youtube has an automated face blur tool though so that shouldnt be a problem.

i say go for it. but you better have every step planned out.

It has to be small.

you need a battery (those are small these days)

it needs to be embedded in your clothing, so they have to destroy your clothing to get to it - they wont want to do that

and it needs to be able to be disconnected from the battery easily so you can say the battery is for charging your phone.

if i didnt already have this planned i wouldnt be telling you this stuff but i figured i would give you a head start because it wasnt hard to think about that basic stuff. Im way ahead of you - as well as many other people.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050216091208/http://www.casey-computer.com/

That link is an archive of what the "most popular" computers used to do. and the device laws are modeled after these computers from what i understand.




Thanks for the response and information heatmap! I was thinking just for the purpose of allowing the members or managers of a team to go back and evaluate your play and results if they felt necessary. Just to ensure the play and results are reported correctly, not in any way as a device that helps you play. Let's say you were part of a rather large blackjack team, 10 or 15 members on a $100k - $200k bankroll. After test-outs, planning and all that, each player would live stream every session of play and know that the way they play and their results can be viewed by the team at any time. Therefore eliminating the possibility of skimming, false reports on playing time, or incorrect playing decisions.
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July 19th, 2020 at 1:21:02 PM permalink
I am going to say using a spy cam is against casino regulations, as it is posted that you can not even take pictures on the casino floor without permission (although everyone takes jackpot pictures) and that it might be more than just against casino policy and actually illegal, due to the rather broad "device laws".

Now of course you will argue that you are not using the cam to cheat (holecard) or gain an advantage, but that argument is going to fall on deaf ears at least initially.

I get your intent, but I am going to say more trouble than it is worth.
ChumpChange
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July 19th, 2020 at 4:37:06 PM permalink
I suppose news anchors can use spy glasses because they are working on an undercover story of penny ante cheating.
jjjoooggg
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July 19th, 2020 at 5:11:41 PM permalink
You mentioned variance. This is what my graph looks like after 1000 hours. I dont think i would teach friends to count. Because it takes alot of patience, time, faith and bankroll to keep playing. If you spend too much on hotels. You’ll break even. I did.



I dont know when I will find the time to play again.
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July 19th, 2020 at 6:53:31 PM permalink
The policy for MOST news operations is this:

With a fully exposed camera you can shoot on private property UNTIL you are told to stop.

With a hidden or undercover camera or microphone you'd better have clearance from the boss and the legal department and a damn good reason. LOL
ChumpChange
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July 20th, 2020 at 12:06:14 AM permalink
Can reporters get surveillance footage to identify casino patrons, or is that only in the case of a major crime?

I was at a Target store in 1997 just hours before a kidnapping at the store and I figure the media was all over the surveillance footage. Makes me think someone was kidnapped just so the media could get me on surveillance footage.
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July 20th, 2020 at 8:28:06 PM permalink


this guy is able to film his blackjacks sessions



and this is slot lady who is on here apparently

...

pay the casino... just ask it couldnt hurt either
AlanMendelson
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July 20th, 2020 at 9:54:42 PM permalink
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Can reporters get surveillance footage to identify casino patrons, or is that only in the case of a major crime?



Reporters get what they can get. Sometimes a company will release videos and sometimes they won't. Sometimes the police get videos and then they can become public. Sometimes videos are locked and you need a freedom of information request to get them and a court order.

The press has no special entitlements to evidence.

Where the press does have protection includes shielding sources and informants.

I once testified for a defendant in a rape case. My testimony concerned the length of his hair. I testified it was short. The victim said it was long.

The defendant and I had an encounter the morning before the alleged rape. The point of my testimony was that his hair couldn't grow so much in only a few hours.

The DA during his cross examination asked me how I happened to meet the defendant that morning?

I sat there and said nothing and I looked at the Judge.

Then the DA said, question withdrawn.

Now I can talk about it. The defendant met me to ask for help because the police were looking for him IN A DIFFERENT RAPE CASE. He needed help to get a lawyer.
theOmega623
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July 21st, 2020 at 4:53:00 AM permalink
There is a card counter / youtuber who goes by the name Dark Star that uses a spy cam while he plays, has quite alot of play uploaded on YouTube under "my real blackjack life". I'm going to message him and ask him if he's looked into the legality of what he's doing.
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July 21st, 2020 at 6:52:42 AM permalink
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There is a card counter / youtuber who goes by the name Dark Star that uses a spy cam while he plays, has quite alot of play uploaded on YouTube under "my real blackjack life". I'm going to message him and ask him if he's looked into the legality of what he's doing.



Here comes the question of "legality" again.

Do you mean legal under state or federal or tribal law, or do you mean permitted under casino rules?

At Harrah's Resort Southern California there is a brass plate outside the main casino door that specifically says recording video is not permitted. This is a Tribal casino managed by Caesars. I've never had a problem taking photos. But I never tried shooting video. I suspect the video rule is Tribal. I dont know of any State law that prohibits shooting video with the permission of the property owner.

I know that many YouTubers have casino permission to do their programs. Usually there are also rules about what can and can't be shown.

Slotlady for example is given specific rules by El Cortez to shoot her programs at slots and at tables.

By the way, I'm the only TV reporter ever to get permission to shoot video inside the Federal Reserve Branch Banks in Miami and Los Angeles and I had to promise not to reveal certain security features to get that permission. I still won't reveal them even though years have passed. I will only say dont even think about robbing the joints.

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