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May 1st, 2020 at 9:27:18 AM permalink
Quote: michael99000

I still want to know how the machine knows where the player will cut the cards before dealing starts.



And how many hands someone is playing and when someone might join or leave the table or when a dealer might tap in and burn a card...


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May 1st, 2020 at 9:34:08 AM permalink
Quote: michael99000

I still want to know how the machine knows where the player will cut the cards before dealing starts.



I think it may be likely that they have discovered a pattern.

But if they have not, we are brainstorming free ideas to make the game worse.
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May 1st, 2020 at 12:37:59 PM permalink
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Simple, shuffle master uses card counting to always keep the count in the casinos favor without ever counting anything at all. A blackjack starts in a 0 count and ends in a 0 count if no mistakes are made and every card is dealt. A count of 0 is always in the casinos favor and is achievable just by.. well letís just use shuffle masters own personal description of their product ďnon card clumping technology.Ē For example the cards come out in a way that always cancel eachother out regardless of play, hands, or where the deck is cut. (high high high low low neutral neutral high low low) (low high low high high high low low low high.) This is just my personal opinion of shuffle masters blackjack shuffle machines and I have absolutely no proof of anything I said being factual.



So, you're saying that the shufflers arrange the cards in a such a way that the count never strays far from zero? I submit that the house edge would be almost the same between a true randomly shuffled game and the type of neutral count shoe you describe. However, I've never actually simulated this. If I get some serious evidence behind your accusation, I might take the trouble. Until then, I'm going to file this in my very-overstuffed folder labeled casino conspiracy theories.
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May 1st, 2020 at 1:03:02 PM permalink
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And how many hands someone is playing and when someone might join or leave the table or when a dealer might tap in and burn a card...


ZCore13



The rational mind agrees with that, but when you bump your bet because of the count and the dealer pulls three straight multi-card 21s, that little voice in the back of one's mind gets a bit louder.
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May 1st, 2020 at 1:10:31 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

I still want to know how the machine knows where the player will cut the cards before dealing starts.



If the cut card doesnít matter and it doesnít have a function - because the shuffler randomizes the cards thoroughly- what is itís function to begin with? Why even have it? Is it a superstition? When I say the walks are cyclical, Iím saying the sequences left after the shuffler shuffles the cards mathematically can be divided and rearranged without messing up the sequence. So when a cut happens itís irrelevant imo.

I know itís all about penetration but there must be a function ... will it reverse the order of a slug of cards??
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May 1st, 2020 at 1:22:53 PM permalink
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And how many hands someone is playing and when someone might join or leave the table or when a dealer might tap in and burn a card...


ZCore13



You generate the sequence of numbers up to the amount of players you know might be playing which is 7 in most cases. You then play through the hands starting at 7 players and work your way down. Make note of all stats in a database. Generate more hands and keep taking stats into database. Only gather hands from that database but make sure the amount of payout from the shuffles that are in the database comply with payout percentages. (If random is random and can be anything I donít believe the last step is necessary. Query the database when you want for exactly specific amount of house edge you want. Profit.
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May 1st, 2020 at 1:59:57 PM permalink
Quote: heatmap

If the cut card doesnít matter and it doesnít have a function - because the shuffler randomizes the cards thoroughly- what is itís function to begin with?



Imagine all the tin foil people would go through if a player DIDN'T cut the deck! It's random before the deck is cut, and it's random after the deck is cut. But allowing the players to have the last action of the shuffle eliminates a lot of conspiracy theories.
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May 1st, 2020 at 2:18:57 PM permalink
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The rational mind agrees with that, but when you bump your bet because of the count and the dealer pulls three straight multi-card 21s, that little voice in the back of one's mind gets a bit louder.



Not if you're sensible and know how cards work.


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May 1st, 2020 at 2:20:27 PM permalink
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You generate the sequence of numbers up to the amount of players you know might be playing which is 7 in most cases. You then play through the hands starting at 7 players and work your way down. Make note of all stats in a database. Generate more hands and keep taking stats into database. Only gather hands from that database but make sure the amount of payout from the shuffles that are in the database comply with payout percentages. (If random is random and can be anything I donít believe the last step is necessary. Query the database when you want for exactly specific amount of house edge you want. Profit.



Not even worth replying an answer to.


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May 1st, 2020 at 2:59:30 PM permalink
Wasn't there some semi credible rumors going around that there was something weird going on with the shuffle machines at the El Cortez and a few other places where some Advantage players were taking advantage of the situation. Meanwhile someone outed the situation because they were doing very bad at those particular tables? I think some people actually got upset at that guy for even mentioning it in the first place because it may have killed their opportunity? I can't remember what happened with all that, but I think Mike was even asked to check it out?

Was there any further information on this, perhaps somebody credible can come and let us know what the deal was with all that?
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