SM777
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beachbumbabs
May 6th, 2020 at 9:12:37 AM permalink
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What I am disputing is the particular method claimed of programming shufflers for systematic cheating. It simply doesn't happen, because it simply doesn't pay the casino or the manufacturer to do it.



This.

There are serious checks and balances in every step in every single regulated jurisdiction - which covers the entire USA. Vendor, GLI (or BMM), gaming commission/regulator, and the end casino. It's truly preposterous to suggest the shuffler software is programmed to cheat in a regulated jurisdiction. It simply isn't possible.
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May 6th, 2020 at 9:18:16 AM permalink
I don't believe there is any cheating sponsored by any of the big casinos in Nevada. I do believe there are individual employees in the casino cheating.
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May 6th, 2020 at 9:32:52 AM permalink
You will never see a CEO giving any order to cheat customers. When cheating happens, it's done by individuals colluding between themselves. Usually, dealer/player or dealer/pit boss. Whenever some chips are taken, some of the customers have to pay for this, otherwise there will be a drop in the hold pourcentage of a table/shift/boss.
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Zcore13
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May 6th, 2020 at 9:51:48 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Sure I will, as soon as you can cite where I claimed the shuffle is rigged.

I'm talking in general that casinos cheat and use deceptive predatory practices. There has been enough evidence to establish that's a fact. I know it's happened to me.



Please show me one instance of an employee or former exposing casino policies or procedures that cheat customers. Just one recorded meeting where a GM or Director says that the employees should cheat or do things that cause players to lose at a higher rate than normal. Just one time in the last 25 years.

There are bad individuals in every profession. Bad Dr's, bad lawyers, bad mechanics, bad athletes etc. If a UFC fighter tests positive for HGH, that's cheating. It doesn't make the UFC a cheating organization.


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TomG
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May 6th, 2020 at 10:03:22 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

There are bad individuals in every profession. Bad Dr's, bad lawyers, bad mechanics, bad athletes etc. If a UFC fighter tests positive for HGH, that's cheating. It doesn't make the UFC a cheating organization.



Something that could make UFC a cheating organization is if they ever gave therapeutic use exemptions for anabolics to some fighters who didn't need it to treat true medical conditions.

If a bad individual makes a bad decision that is upheld by their organization, the organization would be cheating. You really think no one can find any examples meeting that standard in the casino industry?
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May 6th, 2020 at 10:03:24 AM permalink
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TDVegas
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May 6th, 2020 at 11:49:56 AM permalink
I do not believe casinos cheat...I do believe they have been and may continue to be deceptive. "Random selection" on give aways, prizes or other contests are NOT random. Random implies that everyone has an equal chance to win. That's simply not the case. I believe Station Casino made an "adjustment" to some of their giveaways, contests, etc. and removed the word "random"...because they know it's not random. Maybe a lawyer cue'd them in to the wording and they took the advice.

I learned that when the same individuals were winning cars....or the people walking up to claim their "win" were always waiving a Purple or Black card.

The same applied to their $10,000 cash giveaway when playing slots. "Any machine, any time". Give me a break. You know you are funneling those big cash prizes to your top tier players. Grandma .30 cents isn't winning your $20,000 cash prize.
Zcore13
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May 6th, 2020 at 12:14:07 PM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

I do not believe casinos cheat...I do believe they have been and may continue to be deceptive. "Random selection" on give aways, prizes or other contests are NOT random. Random implies that everyone has an equal chance to win. That's simply not the case. I believe Station Casino made an "adjustment" to some of their giveaways, contests, etc. and removed the word "random"...because they know it's not random. Maybe a lawyer cue'd them in to the wording and they took the advice.

I learned that when the same individuals were winning cars....or the people walking up to claim their "win" were always waiving a Purple or Black card.

The same applied to their $10,000 cash giveaway when playing slots. "Any machine, any time". Give me a break. You know you are funneling those big cash prizes to your top tier players. Grandma .30 cents isn't winning your $20,000 cash prize.



Random does not mean equal. 100% drawings are weighted based on play. Every casino does that and all I have seen or been apart of disclose how the entries are earned. Most of the time by theoretical loss. The random is who gets picked once the amount of entries are determined. And much of the time that's the big players because they have far and away more entries.


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TDVegas
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May 6th, 2020 at 12:42:46 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Random does not mean equal. 100% drawings are weighted based on play. Every casino does that and all I have seen or been apart of disclose how the entries are earned. Most of the time by theoretical loss. The random is who gets picked once the amount of entries are determined. And much of the time that's the big players because they have far and away more entries.


ZCore13


Nonsense. That’s like saying roulette is a random game (it is)....but then adding “whose number gets picked is based on how many chips are on the number.

Random: made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision.

Random: : being or relating to a set or to an element of a set each of whose elements has equal probability of occurrence.

Their slot give away has nothing to do with drawings either. It simply states anyone playing on any machine at any time can win. Those $20k payoffs are not going to “anyone”.

Not all contests are based on “entries”...they still aren’t equally weighted. It’s deceptive. They know it.
unJon
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May 6th, 2020 at 12:44:27 PM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

Nonsense. That’s like saying roulette is a random game (it is)....but then adding “whose number gets picked is based on how many chips are on the number.

Random: made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision.

Random: : being or relating to a set or to an element of a set each of whose elements has equal probability of occurrence



Random doesn’t imply equal weighting. But it’s deceptive of the casinos if they don’t disclose how the weighting works (or if there is a weighting).
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