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May 5th, 2020 at 2:10:19 PM permalink
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have you ever seen some of the videos of Persi Diaconis shuffling and when he writes the word RANDOM on the side of the deck and as hes shuffling it gets blurrier and then the word repeats but is smaller as the shuffle gets more random? im pretty sure its on the edge of the decks because if someone were to catch on to hidden ink on the faces of the cards it would be much easier to discern rather than the side which is like a barcode most likely if it has hidden ink...


Haven't seen the video you're talking about.

There's not much to catch on to in reference to the ink. It's relatively well known that's how the scanner reads the cards. The particulars of what exactly the scanner reads are part of what I don't know. If I were doing it, I'd have a series of small dots similar to braille that probably use up less than 1/8 sq in.


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is this tied to ASMs? or is this the Inteli-shoes or whatever they are called after the hand is dealt? Or can this be done before as well?

the particular machine they use to deal this is a single-deck. I'm not sure if the same machine is multi-deck capable. I do know this same machine hosts nearly all the carnival (poker-based) game configurations.

They also have a One2Six that is multi-deck capable, and various CSMs that can offload a stack for a shoe (I think up to 8 decks), and take partial-shoe discards mixed back in. They also have a dumb-shuffler that elevates thru the table for live poker tables. But we're at the limits of my knowledge now. I'm not sure which shufflers can be programmed to which games.

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pseudo random number generators?

outside my knowledge limit on their protections and processes.
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May 5th, 2020 at 5:04:53 PM permalink
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Y'all are closing in on the rude line from all directions. It's a discussion worth having, so let's not spoil it with dung - flinging, please. Thanks.

What mcallister3200 said seemed so rude because it was so true.
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I think it's ridiculous for people to think casinos don't cheat and everything's on the level all the time. I think it's also ridiculous for people to think that all the casinos are cheating all the time and everything is rigged.

I think there is significantly more cheating and deceptive practices going on than Zcore thinks and it's way less than guys like WMW and ZK thinks.

Here's something to pay attention to in the future. It's generally people with super high egos who overestimate their skill that think everything is rigged.

Then of course, we have the run of the mill conspiracy theorists.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 5th, 2020 at 7:02:11 PM permalink
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What mcallister3200 said seemed so rude because it was so true.
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I think it's ridiculous for people to think casinos don't cheat and everything's on the level all the time. I think it's also ridiculous for people to think that all the casinos are cheating all the time and everything is rigged.

I think there is significantly more cheating and deceptive practices going on than Zcore thinks and it's way less than guys like WMW and ZK thinks.

Here's something to pay attention to in the future. It's generally people with super high egos who overestimate their skill that think everything is rigged.

Then of course, we have the run of the mill conspiracy theorists.



Can you site one case of a U.S. casino being caught using rigged shuffle? One casino employee or former that blew the whistle? One Shuffle Master employee or former that confirmed there re setting to rig the deal? Just one in the last 25 years of automatic shuffles?


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May 5th, 2020 at 9:24:40 PM permalink
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Can you site one case of a U.S. casino being caught using rigged shuffle? One casino employee or former that blew the whistle? One Shuffle Master employee or former that confirmed there re setting to rig the deal? Just one in the last 25 years of automatic shuffles?


ZCore13



https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/34621-my-opinion-on-a-casinos-fairness-after-7-years-of-dealing/
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https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/34621-my-opinion-on-a-casinos-fairness-after-7-years-of-dealing/



That story is about as far from confirmed as you can get.
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https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/34621-my-opinion-on-a-casinos-fairness-after-7-years-of-dealing/



Lol. Really?


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May 5th, 2020 at 10:05:08 PM permalink
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Lol.



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May 6th, 2020 at 12:59:49 AM permalink
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Can you site one case of a U.S. casino being caught using rigged shuffle? One casino employee or former that blew the whistle? One Shuffle Master employee or former that confirmed there re setting to rig the deal? Just one in the last 25 years of automatic shuffles?


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Sure I will, as soon as you can cite where I claimed the shuffle is rigged.

I'm talking in general that casinos cheat and use deceptive predatory practices. There has been enough evidence to establish that's a fact. I know it's happened to me.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 6th, 2020 at 7:05:26 AM permalink
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Sure I will, as soon as you can cite where I claimed the shuffle is rigged.

I'm talking in general that casinos cheat and use deceptive predatory practices. There has been enough evidence to establish that's a fact. I know it's happened to me.



I completely agree that casinos have, and do, cheat. That they are capable of deceptive language, prize replacement or non-award, skewing results, re-setting progressives without awards, lots of other things.

What I am disputing is the particular method claimed of programming shufflers for systematic cheating. It simply doesn't happen, because it simply doesn't pay the casino or the manufacturer to do it.

Has it EVER happened? Probably, before they came up with the various safeguards in the first years of mechanical shufflers.

Is it perfect now? Maybe not, but there are a lot of protection and detection procedures in place to ensure a fair amount of integrity in using them. The AP guys are usually one step ahead of the security on stuff like this, so maybe there's some stuff going on, but I don't think it's coming from the casino side, and I sure don't think the major manufacturers are putting in backdoors or cheats.
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