crashdavis565
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January 6th, 2020 at 8:57:01 PM permalink
Based on EV which game would be better for me in Las Vegas. There are only two choices.
Game 1 is the standard Vegas game today on the strip- 6-8 decks ( I am not counting) Hit soft 17 and BJ pays 6/5- but I can play 10 dollars a hand- the table is full of players.

Game 2 is the higher end game. 6-8 decks, dealer stands on soft 17 and BJ pays 3-2 but I must play 50 dollars a hand, there are only two other players at this table.

I can play reasonable basic strategy, what should I expect to lose each hour at the individual games?


Thank you-

Crash-
Jamespatrick12
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January 7th, 2020 at 5:59:27 AM permalink
You should play Dota 2.
crashdavis565
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January 7th, 2020 at 9:16:49 AM permalink
How is my math?

Game 1- EV house edge 1.7% x 60 hands / hour x $10 dollars per hand.

Game 2- EV house edge .4% x 100 hands/hour x 50 dollars per hand?

Game 1 loss per hour about $10.00?
Game 2 loss per hour about $20.00?

If there is a $25 dollar version of 3-2 then it would be the same and if it is 15 per hand then the difference is 15-20, yet the tables are always filled at lower limits and wide open at the higher end.
billryan
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January 7th, 2020 at 9:19:48 AM permalink
Playing at a full table is a far better choice.
TigerWu
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January 7th, 2020 at 9:28:28 AM permalink
How big is your bankroll and how much are you willing to lose? That should determine which one you play.
tyler498
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January 7th, 2020 at 8:07:50 PM permalink
Quote: crashdavis565

How is my math?

Game 1- EV house edge 1.7% x 60 hands / hour x $10 dollars per hand.

Game 2- EV house edge .4% x 100 hands/hour x 50 dollars per hand?

Game 1 loss per hour about $10.00?
Game 2 loss per hour about $20.00?

If there is a $25 dollar version of 3-2 then it would be the same and if it is 15 per hand then the difference is 15-20, yet the tables are always filled at lower limits and wide open at the higher end.



Hard for me to compare the games objectively because of my visceral hate of 6-5, but I will try!

Your calculation is roughly correct. Average bet will be a little bit more than what you have because of the doubles/splits, and edge will be a bit more because of mistakes and deviations from BS. A lot of people don't take all the doubles/splits they are supposed to every time for example.
One other important aspect you are forgetting is comps. You will be getting a lot more on the 50$ table. YMMV when it comes to that but I think in most places it will easily make up the difference in EV per table.

But I think your reasoning is flawed if you are comparing the 2 games based on hourly EV, unless you truly enjoy sitting at a table for hours slowly losing. If you were counting you have to worry about variance and bankroll management, but if I was gambling for fun and playing a losing game, instead of playing 50 hours at 10$, I'd play 10 hours at 50$. Whatever's gonna happen will happen, but just faster, and you have 40 hours left to do something else. And you are a lot more likely to come out ahead on the 50$ table!
That is assuming, of course, you can play the 50$ table properly (taking every split! doubling 11 against 10 every time...Etc) Otherwise the house edge will be a lot more.

Summary:
Pretend 6-5 blackjack doesn't exist, always
If you can handle the 50$ table, have at it!
jpmurga
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Gialmere
January 8th, 2020 at 11:52:39 AM permalink
Is this a theorical question, In Vegas there are hundreds of tables with lots of rules, This examples is too extreme, its not that difficult to find a $10 table with good rules. I suggest the TI ( Treasure Island) . The have very good rules are on the strip
Gialmere
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January 8th, 2020 at 4:21:51 PM permalink
Quote: jpmurga

Is this a theorical question, In Vegas there are hundreds of tables with lots of rules, This examples is too extreme, its not that difficult to find a $10 table with good rules. I suggest the TI ( Treasure Island) . The have very good rules are on the strip


Agreed. Crash, are you stuck on The Strip due to family commitments? If not, as a player comfortable with $10 wagers, consider driving the 10-15 minutes to the Boulder Strip and check out the offerings. The WOV review of the Longhorn casino, for example, is still on the front page and details some favorable rules. Of course, this assumes that blackjack (and not glitz and glamor) is your trip's priority.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.

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