crashdavis565
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January 6th, 2020 at 8:57:01 PM permalink
Based on EV which game would be better for me in Las Vegas. There are only two choices.
Game 1 is the standard Vegas game today on the strip- 6-8 decks ( I am not counting) Hit soft 17 and BJ pays 6/5- but I can play 10 dollars a hand- the table is full of players.

Game 2 is the higher end game. 6-8 decks, dealer stands on soft 17 and BJ pays 3-2 but I must play 50 dollars a hand, there are only two other players at this table.

I can play reasonable basic strategy, what should I expect to lose each hour at the individual games?

Thank you-

Crash-
Jamespatrick12
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January 7th, 2020 at 5:59:27 AM permalink
You should play Dota 2.
crashdavis565
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January 7th, 2020 at 9:16:49 AM permalink
How is my math?

Game 1- EV house edge 1.7% x 60 hands / hour x \$10 dollars per hand.

Game 2- EV house edge .4% x 100 hands/hour x 50 dollars per hand?

Game 1 loss per hour about \$10.00?
Game 2 loss per hour about \$20.00?

If there is a \$25 dollar version of 3-2 then it would be the same and if it is 15 per hand then the difference is 15-20, yet the tables are always filled at lower limits and wide open at the higher end.
billryan
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January 7th, 2020 at 9:19:48 AM permalink
Playing at a full table is a far better choice.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
TigerWu
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January 7th, 2020 at 9:28:28 AM permalink
How big is your bankroll and how much are you willing to lose? That should determine which one you play.
tyler498
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January 7th, 2020 at 8:07:50 PM permalink
Quote: crashdavis565

How is my math?

Game 1- EV house edge 1.7% x 60 hands / hour x \$10 dollars per hand.

Game 2- EV house edge .4% x 100 hands/hour x 50 dollars per hand?

Game 1 loss per hour about \$10.00?
Game 2 loss per hour about \$20.00?

If there is a \$25 dollar version of 3-2 then it would be the same and if it is 15 per hand then the difference is 15-20, yet the tables are always filled at lower limits and wide open at the higher end.

Hard for me to compare the games objectively because of my visceral hate of 6-5, but I will try!

Your calculation is roughly correct. Average bet will be a little bit more than what you have because of the doubles/splits, and edge will be a bit more because of mistakes and deviations from BS. A lot of people don't take all the doubles/splits they are supposed to every time for example.
One other important aspect you are forgetting is comps. You will be getting a lot more on the 50\$ table. YMMV when it comes to that but I think in most places it will easily make up the difference in EV per table.

But I think your reasoning is flawed if you are comparing the 2 games based on hourly EV, unless you truly enjoy sitting at a table for hours slowly losing. If you were counting you have to worry about variance and bankroll management, but if I was gambling for fun and playing a losing game, instead of playing 50 hours at 10\$, I'd play 10 hours at 50\$. Whatever's gonna happen will happen, but just faster, and you have 40 hours left to do something else. And you are a lot more likely to come out ahead on the 50\$ table!
That is assuming, of course, you can play the 50\$ table properly (taking every split! doubling 11 against 10 every time...Etc) Otherwise the house edge will be a lot more.

Summary:
Pretend 6-5 blackjack doesn't exist, always
If you can handle the 50\$ table, have at it!
jpmurga
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January 8th, 2020 at 11:52:39 AM permalink
Is this a theorical question, In Vegas there are hundreds of tables with lots of rules, This examples is too extreme, its not that difficult to find a \$10 table with good rules. I suggest the TI ( Treasure Island) . The have very good rules are on the strip
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