Online BJ that you can count
Number of decks: Unknown to me, but at least 6
Penetration: You see at least 156 cards before it "shuffles".
Base house edge: 0.615% for 6 decks and it will be a bit higher, if it is more than 6 decks.
Important observations:
Trial 1 (after seeing 159 cards):
2 cards had zero draws, 6 cards had 1 draw, 10 cards had 2 draws, 12 cards had 3 draws, 14 cards had 4 draws, 7 cards had 5 draws, and 1 card had 6 draws.
Trial 2 (after seeing 158 cards):
No cards had zero draws, 5 cards had 1 draw, 13 cards had 2 draws, 17 cards had 3 draws, 11 cards had 4 draws, 4 cards had 5 draws, and 2 cards had 6 draws.
Note: for the above trials, when i say "x cards had 6 draws" i mean the card in both number and suit, eg in trial 1, the 10 of clubs was drawn 6 times before the "shuffle" occurred.
Advantages over counting a live/"brick and mortar" game:
. You can keep track of every card seen.
. You can spread your bets between 1 and 100 units
. There are plenty of online calculators that tell you the best play, for any deck composition
. You can break from basic strategy multiple times, when the count is in your favor to do so, eg splitting 10s
Note: if you did this at a live casino, your future play would probably be scrutinized very closely
Disadvantages ... :
. The penetration is quite bad, 50% or worse, so the max player edge will be a lot lower.
. It is a relatively new casino, so there is an unknown factor of whether or not you are likely to be paid.
. The game could be gaffed, or misleading, eg it may not be shuffling, when it says that it is shuffling the deck.
Note: There could be more advantages or disadvantages that i haven't thought of yet, please expand if you think of any.
Quote: dddkkk1There is a game of online blackjack that you can count, and I was wondering if it was worth playing, see details below:
Disadvantages ... :
. The penetration is quite bad, 50% or worse, so the max player edge will be a lot lower.
. It is a relatively new casino, so there is an unknown factor of whether or not you are likely to be paid.
. The game could be gaffed, or misleading, eg it may not be shuffling, when it says that it is shuffling the deck.
Note: There could be more advantages or disadvantages that i haven't thought of yet, please expand if you think of any.
The penetration is a killer. You'll hardly ever see a positive count >2 So you'd either waste many many hours or you'd need a robot to play for you.
The casino will have a rule that says basically "At any time we can ban you without good reason and confiscate your entire balance"
The casino will have background card counting counter measures and would spot you in a matter of hours.
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Been there. Got the T-shirt.
Quote: OnceDearThe penetration is a killer. You'll hardly ever see a positive count >2 So you'd either waste many many hours or you'd need a robot to play for you.
The casino will have a rule that says basically "At any time we can ban you without good reason and confiscate your entire balance"
The casino will have background card counting counter measures and would spot you in a matter of hours.
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Been there. Got the T-shirt.
since you were counting im assuming you altered your strategy on certain situations correct? you did certain things that might have been against the "book"? ever split 10s?
They show an animated shuffle every so often? Why should you believe them? Could be shuffling every hand and playing an infinite deck uncountable game the whole time. You'd never know.
I never split tens. But I did play composition dependent strategy and I did ramp my bets and wong in and out.Quote: heatmapsince you were counting im assuming you altered your strategy on certain situations correct? you did certain things that might have been against the "book"? ever split 10s?
Observed another card counter while i was playing. He aggressively ramped his bet 5 - 100+ He lasted about a month. I lasted about 4.
I can only think of one thing I would want to know.... What kind of bonuses are they giving, if any, and can you use them on blackjack?Quote: dddkkk1There is a game of online blackjack that you can count, and I was wondering if it was worth playing, see details below:
Number of decks: Unknown to me, but at least 6
Penetration: You see at least 156 cards before it "shuffles".
Base house edge: 0.615% for 6 decks and it will be a bit higher, if it is more than 6 decks.
Important observations:
Trial 1 (after seeing 159 cards):
2 cards had zero draws, 6 cards had 1 draw, 10 cards had 2 draws, 12 cards had 3 draws, 14 cards had 4 draws, 7 cards had 5 draws, and 1 card had 6 draws.
Trial 2 (after seeing 158 cards):
No cards had zero draws, 5 cards had 1 draw, 13 cards had 2 draws, 17 cards had 3 draws, 11 cards had 4 draws, 4 cards had 5 draws, and 2 cards had 6 draws.
Note: for the above trials, when i say "x cards had 6 draws" i mean the card in both number and suit, eg in trial 1, the 10 of clubs was drawn 6 times before the "shuffle" occurred.
Advantages over counting a live/"brick and mortar" game:
. You can keep track of every card seen.
. You can spread your bets between 1 and 100 units
. There are plenty of online calculators that tell you the best play, for any deck composition
. You can break from basic strategy multiple times, when the count is in your favor to do so, eg splitting 10s
Note: if you did this at a live casino, your future play would probably be scrutinized very closely
Disadvantages ... :
. The penetration is quite bad, 50% or worse, so the max player edge will be a lot lower.
. It is a relatively new casino, so there is an unknown factor of whether or not you are likely to be paid.
. The game could be gaffed, or misleading, eg it may not be shuffling, when it says that it is shuffling the deck.
Note: There could be more advantages or disadvantages that i haven't thought of yet, please expand if you think of any.
I would not Venture into the situation without something more than just card counting since there's too many unknowns. The risk versus reward just isn't worth it in my opinion.
