Your limit for consecutive losses
Quote: heatmapWhat is your limit for consecutive losses before you get up off of the table disgusted and mad? Losses so sickening because the impossible just happened?
The impossible never happens: The unlikely happens often enough to be irritating.
If I ever get up disgusted and mad, it's with my own recklessness and not with the game, which does what it does.
I've progressively wagered into a 14 long losing BJ streak. I chickened out of full Marty and was pissed at losing most of £500 trying to win about £3
Didn't get mad.
Quote: heatmapWhat is your limit for consecutive losses before you get up off of the table disgusted and mad? Losses so sickening because the impossible just happened?
No limit. Lost 16 straight (not counting pushes) at pai gow. Cashed in $400. Played $25 a hand. It was only way I knew it was 16 as I approached it. Took out a little more. Left that table UP a small amount. variance negative... then variance positive....
I leave if time is up, or if I've reached some poorly thought out 'stop loss limit'.
Quote: heatmapWhat is your limit for consecutive losses before you get up off of the table disgusted and mad? Losses so sickening because the impossible just happened?
If you already know every game, shuffler , and machine is rigged .. then no loss should be sickening.
Quote: michael99000If you already know every game, shuffler , and machine is rigged .. then no loss should be sickening.
So what you say should be true to me, as I do say that if they are giving you wins, then they are giving you the losses as well. There have been points where I want to get up and walk away but I usually stay until I’m the last man standing.
Quote: heatmapSo what you say should be true to me, as I do say that if they are giving you wins, then they are giving you the losses as well. There have been points where I want to get up and walk away but I usually stay until I’m the last man standing.
PM MDawg. He can help you fix that problem.
ZCore13
Quote: billryanWas playing a full table, with a fun bunch of strangers when they switched dealers. Exact details are hazy but she kicked some serious ass on a bunch of hands and it seemed she was dealing herself blackjack every other hand. When she pulled a six on her five card fifteen, she cleared the table of all but myself. I'm not big on one to one play, but I stuck around long enough to drop another hundred or so.
This is the kind of thing that, even though I know the cards can get hot or continue being cold, just makes me want to leave and try something different!
Quote: smoothgrhThis is the kind of thing that, even though I know the cards can get hot or continue being cold, just makes me want to leave and try something different!
Casinos will still be there tomorrow. I try to only play when I'm feeling up. If something annoys me I usually stop.
1) I'm no longer playing perfectly.
2) I believe I must choose between ending my session or attracting too much attention.
3) I get told no more blackjack and/or asked to leave.
1b) the game is no longer good
I can't recall exactly what was said but I do remember you suggesting it might be a good idea to quit a +EV play if you were way over expectation and fear of giving too much back(or something like that).Quote: RomesThe only time I would leave a blackjack table is for one of the following reasons:
1) I'm no longer playing perfectly.
2) I believe I must choose between ending my session or attracting too much attention.
3) I get told no more blackjack and/or asked to leave.
1b) the game is no longer good
I don't think it was a good idea necessarily but It was an interesting thread. I can think of some reasons one might do that.... such as a bank roll preservation assuming you have the ability to find good plays, even ones at a lesser value if they have significantly less risk. Since we're human and not robots, there's something to be said about not sweating the money while making plays.
Quote: smoothgrhThis is the kind of thing that, even though I know the cards can get hot or continue being cold, just makes me want to leave and try something different!
I always believe just continue playing until all of your money is gone.
Quote: DRichI always believe just continue playing until all of your money is gone.
get out of my head
Quote: heatmapWhat is your limit for consecutive losses before you get up off of the table disgusted and mad? Losses so sickening because the impossible just happened?
Be a man. Stop thinking that kinda crap. If you are young, which I assume you are, if your "gambling career" lasts another 50 years, you're going to see everything. Suck it up, or find something else to occupy your time with. But whatever you do, always be a gentleman, no matter how "bad" you think you're running. People will respect you for it. Yes they will. They will notice. Trust me. When you're getting clobbered, and remaining calm and graceful through it all, they will notice. You'll develop a good reputation when you're a good loser. Don't be known as Crying Kenny. And that applies away from the games as well. Life is a poker game.
Quote: bobbartop"gambling career"
I joined this site when zen king was a thing and have zero aspirations of a gambling career and know that the money lies within the intellectual property and casino side of things. This question arose because every time I’m at the casino there is always a whole table that gets up and walks away, if they don’t leave one by one. Personally when someone leaves the table I seem to always benefit somehow even though it’s just a gamblers fallacy possibly if it’s not a side effect of the way the cards are “randomized”
Quote: heatmapI joined this site when zen king was a thing and have zero aspirations of a gambling career and know that the money lies within the intellectual property and casino side of things. This question arose because every time I’m at the casino there is always a whole table that gets up and walks away, if they don’t leave one by one. Personally when someone leaves the table I seem to always benefit somehow even though it’s just a gamblers fallacy possibly if it’s not a side effect of the way the cards are “randomized”
I don't know wtf you're talking about. Are you going to be gambling 50 years from now or not? God willing.
Quote: bobbartopI don't know wtf you're talking about. Are you going to be gambling 50 years from now or not? God willing.
I was saying thinking that you can (as an average person) make a career of gambling will make you emotionally crazy. Because you are expecting a steady profit that allows you to live a steady normal life. And it doesn’t from what I’ve seen Zen king and his rants about. Honestly a job or selling drugs is more profitable in my mind. I’m not going to be gambling for the next 50 years. I don’t plan on making a career of gambling or a lot of money gambling at all.
Quote: heatmapI was saying thinking that you can (as an average person) make a career of gambling will make you emotionally crazy. Because you are expecting a steady profit that allows you to live a steady normal life. And it doesn’t from what I’ve seen Zen king and his rants about. Honestly a job or selling drugs is more profitable in my mind. I’m not going to be gambling for the next 50 years. I don’t plan on making a career of gambling or a lot of money gambling at all.
ZenKing, as he presents himself here and elsewhere, is so far from a successful professional gambler, in methods, temperment, bankroll, plans, skillset, it's sad. I'm kind of horrified you're using him as your example.
Don't be ZenKing of the gambling forums. It's that simple. He's not, in my somewhat limited experience, typical. He's not even ZenKing of the forums in person.
Quote: heatmapI was saying thinking that you can (as an average person) make a career of gambling will make you emotionally crazy. Because you are expecting a steady profit that allows you to live a steady normal life. And it doesn’t from what I’ve seen Zen king and his rants about. Honestly a job or selling drugs is more profitable in my mind. I’m not going to be gambling for the next 50 years. I don’t plan on making a career of gambling or a lot of money gambling at all.
There's something wrong with this conversation, and it's not me. I don't know you from Adam, but you seem confused. No, you are confused. Not meant as an insult, not at all. But I feel like you haven't heard or understood a thing I've said. That's ok, I've barely understood anything you've said either. lol
Best wishes, heatmap. You seem like a nice enough guy. You really do. I'm sorry we don't seem to be on the same wavelength. Maybe we'll do better in a future thread. Hang in there, buddy.
Quote: beachbumbabsZenKing, as he presents himself here and elsewhere, is so far from a successful professional gambler, in methods, temperment, bankroll, plans, skillset, it's sad. I'm kind of horrified you're using him as your example.
Don't be ZenKing of the gambling forums. It's that simple. He's not, in my somewhat limited experience, typical. He's not even ZenKing of the forums in person.
I was not presenting him in any positive light. I was using him as an example as to why I would never try to gamble professionally. Sorry I may have worded this in any way that may have made people think he was successful because i never considered him successful based on his emotional response to his results. Never have I ever looked up to him. Never have I ever thought he was successful. I just saw his emotional response and said “yup screw that”.
Quote: heatmapI was not presenting him in any positive light. I was using him as an example as to why I would never try to gamble professionally. Sorry I may have worded this in any way that may have made people think he was successful because i never considered him successful based on his emotional response to his results. Never have I ever looked up to him. Never have I ever thought he was successful. I just saw his emotional response and said “yup screw that”.
Are you aware of the fact that he never wakes up to an alarm clock?
Quote: DeMangoJust had a really twisted thought. Bob and Richard interviewing Zen King.
Not really sure why that would be a twisted thought. He would make for a better interview than more than half of the people they have had on the show.
Quote: DeMangoJust had a really twisted thought. Bob and Richard interviewing Zen King.
Equally twisted thought. Bob and Frank K. interviewing Zen King.
Quote: MaxPenNot really sure why that would be a twisted thought. He would make for a better interview than more than half of the people they have had on the show.
I liked the one two weeks ago with Buddy Frank, who is scheduled for part-2 soon. Last week was good also, imo.
ZenKing Rocks, unfortunately he's His Own Worst Enemy with lots of wasted potential. His focus/obsession on one thing is a great hindrance to him since it's not something he can really scale up with what he's doing. It's a tough gig, especially for him given his conspiracy theory thinking and personality.Quote: beachbumbabsZenKing, as he presents himself here and elsewhere, is so far from a successful professional gambler, in methods, temperment, bankroll, plans, skillset, it's sad. I'm kind of horrified you're using him as your example.
Don't be ZenKing of the gambling forums. It's that simple. He's not, in my somewhat limited experience, typical. He's not even ZenKing of the forums in person.
Quote: michael99000Are you aware of the fact that he never wakes up to an alarm clock?
in that case i envy him
Wouldn't think this was from me. The only thing I could imagine would be if you're up $X which is near a threshold for shift manager attention, which would fall under #2 above. I certainly wouldn't leave the game because of the gamblers ruin theory being that I'm "due" to run bad or something. Independent trials, +EV is +EV, etc, etc, etc.Quote: AxelWolfI can't recall exactly what was said but I do remember you suggesting it might be a good idea to quit a +EV play if you were way over expectation and fear of giving too much back(or something like that)...
I'm pretty sure it was you, but I'm too lazy to go look.Quote: RomesWouldn't think this was from me. The only thing I could imagine would be if you're up $X which is near a threshold for shift manager attention, which would fall under #2 above. I certainly wouldn't leave the game because of the gamblers ruin theory being that I'm "due" to run bad or something. Independent trials, +EV is +EV, etc, etc, etc.
There's a small chance it was Axiomofchoice or someone else.
