21 Bet

21 Bet is a blackjack variant I noticed at TvBet, a supplier of live dealer games for Internet casinos.

Briefly, it's a two-player blackjack game with fixed drawing rules. Player 1 has to act first, thus has a small positional disadvantage. The game at TvBet allows players to bet on the winning player, winning total, number of cards in winning hand, and whether either player will bust. Please see the link for all the rules and analysis.

The question for the poll is would you play 21 Bet? Multiple votes allowed.

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But, I have never heard of this game or online live dealers, what is the advantage over regular online play?

After reading the rules, it seems like an unappealing game, I am not a fan of the idea of a blackjack game where the seat you are at actually effects the value (that is a far too popular myth with regular bj). I don't think I would play it, besides the fact that I would not sign up for that website, the game is far less appealing than traditional bj.

I generally am not a fan of any bj variants in casinos or online , I would rather just play the standard, too many other rules you have to remember if you want to play perfectly at the different variants.
Is there a basic strategy chart for this game?

It's kind of fascinating. Eliminating the 2s, 3s, 4s and 5s and still having to hit a 16? I need to sit down with a deck and mess with this.

Edit: Oh, I see. They revalued the J-A. Weirdsville.

It seems that TVBET has reconsidered the depleted deck and now uses a full 52-card deck, per this press announcement. I've tried to watch their demo, but they are blocking my access and a proxy server isn't helping.

Are any of the non-US members here able to access the blackjack demo at TVBET. Just click the link and press "demo." If you're successful, can you please take some screenshots and share them, including from a game state before the first card is dealt. Thank you!

I just did a page on the 52-card deck version of this game, which I call TVBET Blackjack.

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It seems that TVBET has reconsidered the depleted deck and now uses a full 52-card deck, per this press announcement. I've tried to watch their demo, but they are blocking my access and a proxy server isn't helping.

Are any of the non-US members here able to access the blackjack demo at TVBET. Just click the link and press "demo." If you're successful, can you please take some screenshots and share them, including from a game state before the first card is dealt. Thank you!
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Here are the screenshots from begining of a hand to end of the hand.





Possible to get an edge ? Cobination analysis ?

Edited, included the odds before dealt any cards, the initial odds always the same for all hand.

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I just did a page on the 52-card deck version of this game, which I call TVBET Blackjack.
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The strange thing is that they show the odds immediately after the player has dealt the first card, before the dealer's first card and the player's second card.




How they calculate odds before they know all three cards/cheating ?

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I just did a page on the 52-card deck version of this game, which I call TVBET Blackjack.
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Here is another hand, just after player dealt with the first card, the odds is 3.88, 1.34, 1.8 and 2.01 for PLAYER WIN, DEALER WIN, NO BUST and BUST respectively

After the three cards are dealt, the odds is 3.88, 1.34, 3.95 and 1.25 for PLAYER WIN, DEALER WIN, NO BUST and BUST respectively





So, the odds of PLAYER WINS and DEALER WINS remain no change ? Strange ? The odds of PLAYER WINS and DEALER WINS may only be calculated based on the player's first card?

Thanks shoe (may I call you that?) for all the pictures.

What I think is happening is there are only two rounds of betting at most. The first after the initial three cards, if the outcome isn't obvious, like AK vs. 5. The second after the player plays out his hand, again assuming the outcome isn't obvious, like the player busting.

What causes the confusion seems to be that they announce the odds before all the cards are seen. I think this is a technical issue, like a slight delay in the video feed, but not the numbers.

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I think this is a technical issue, like a slight delay in the video feed, but not the numbers.
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The strange thing is that they show the odds immediately after the player has dealt the first card, before the dealer's first card and the player's second card. (snip)
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I agree with the Wiz.
Also, if there is an option to do so, try to set the video settings to the lowest*** resolution as possible.

***: This may "reduce the lag" between the video and the odds changes / numbers changing.

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Here are the screenshots from begining of a hand to end of the hand.


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Possible to get an edge ? Cobination analysis ?

Edited, included the odds before dealt any cards, the initial odds always the same for all hand.
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If you could have made a bet on "Dealer to win with a blackjack 29" at the time of the 2nd picture, then I think you will have about a 68% advantage (I only mention it because the betting option is still "active", going by the screenshot provided).

Also, do you know if they shuffle every round/hand? (reason: possible to get an edge if they don't change the starting odds, and also don't shuffle after each round).

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Update (about 12:10 am, Pac Time)
I found a video for 21 Bet (original version) and it looks like they shuffle after every round.

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Also, do you know if they shuffle every round/hand? (reason: possible to get an edge if they don't change the starting odds, and also don't shuffle after each round).
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They do shuffle after every round.