BedWetterBetter
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July 21st, 2019 at 3:51:28 PM permalink
Just got back from my stay over at Mt. Airy this weekend and would like to regale you with an interesting story from this morning's session.

I noticed the AM shift was a lot of new dealers and many were Senior citizens who spent more time talking than dealing the cards. This of course does not bother me as it can result in them not paying attention to what they are doing with the cards or what point total is in their hand. For instance, a dealer pulled 6-3-3-9 and said 24... Bust! He proceeded to pay the table out, including several double downs that were losing hands.

I was already up over $1100 and was just waiting to get a Coffee from a waitress when I noticed an old man playing at a table with a dealer that was from the new hires. As old habits die hard, I was back counting and quickly realized he was pulling cards that were already face up, including his hole and up card. First base was available and as I moved in closer, I could actually see the next card coming and decided this is too good an opportunity to pass up. I initially played Reds and once I started building a pile and noticing the pattern, I bumped up to Greens and was pushing mostly with 20s and 19s, knowing what the dealer had or was drawing on.

I don't think the old guy at 3rd base realized this or he was not interested in using this to his advantage. I didn't want to make it obvious, so I only surrendered 16's & 15's or 13's and 14's when the dealer had 20 or 19. Then I nearly got a HUGE score with the Blazing 7's Progressive Jackpot. I could see the next card coming out on the next hand was a 7 of Diamonds and quickly put a $5 chip on the progressive bet along with the table minimum. Since I would be guaranteed 2 for 1 and have a decent chance at the Progressive Jackpot over $240K. I could see dealer's under card was an Ace d and he deals me another 7 of Diamonds... I'm nervously anticipating his up Card as it comes out the shoe, but alas I saw it was a Face card. I can't take insurance because the Queen of Diamonds is showing and wait for him to pay me 25 for 1 on the Progressive, and then turn over the dreaded Blackjack. I lose the hand but quickly rat hole the 5 Greens from the 7's Hit.

The next card coming is a King and I ramp up my bet back to Greens. The dealer pulls the King and then his card a 9 comes out face up, he stops and calls for the floor. I figured he would eventually notice, but kind of wished he would finish this hand before he realized. He tells the floor, his card was exposed and the floor says to pull the next card, which was an Ace but also came out Face up... The floor says, pull the next card and it was a Face up 8. He then tells the dealer to remove the cards from the shoe and they both see they are ALL face up.

The floor tells me "Sir, we have to shuffle the cards and give you a new shoe." I didn't protest realizing the jig was up and they might go back and look at the 7's or other hands where I bet according to my ability to see the next card in the shoe. I quietly cashed out and wondered if I hit the Progressive Blazing Sevens, would they have screwed me out of the payout? They certainly would check the cameras to make sure the hand was legit and if their way out was saying the shoe was "illegally dealt face up", they would definitely go that route.

But alas, it was a problem I would not be faced with and I kept my extra $185 from this fortunate mishap.
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July 21st, 2019 at 8:33:53 PM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

Just got back from my stay over at Mt. Airy this weekend and would like to regale you with an interesting story from this morning's session.

I noticed the AM shift was a lot of new dealers and many were Senior citizens who spent more time talking than dealing the cards. This of course does not bother me as it can result in them not paying attention to what they are doing with the cards or what point total is in their hand. For instance, a dealer pulled 6-3-3-9 and said 24... Bust! He proceeded to pay the table out, including several double downs that were losing hands.

I was already up over $1100 and was just waiting to get a Coffee from a waitress when I noticed an old man playing at a table with a dealer that was from the new hires. As old habits die hard, I was back counting and quickly realized he was pulling cards that were already face up, including his hole and up card. First base was available and as I moved in closer, I could actually see the next card coming and decided this is too good an opportunity to pass up. I initially played Reds and once I started building a pile and noticing the pattern, I bumped up to Greens and was pushing mostly with 20s and 19s, knowing what the dealer had or was drawing on.

I don't think the old guy at 3rd base realized this or he was not interested in using this to his advantage. I didn't want to make it obvious, so I only surrendered 16's & 15's or 13's and 14's when the dealer had 20 or 19. Then I nearly got a HUGE score with the Blazing 7's Progressive Jackpot. I could see the next card coming out on the next hand was a 7 of Diamonds and quickly put a $5 chip on the progressive bet along with the table minimum. Since I would be guaranteed 2 for 1 and have a decent chance at the Progressive Jackpot over $240K. I could see dealer's under card was an Ace d and he deals me another 7 of Diamonds... I'm nervously anticipating his up Card as it comes out the shoe, but alas I saw it was a Face card. I can't take insurance because the Queen of Diamonds is showing and wait for him to pay me 25 for 1 on the Progressive, and then turn over the dreaded Blackjack. I lose the hand but quickly rat hole the 5 Greens from the 7's Hit.

The next card coming is a King and I ramp up my bet back to Greens. The dealer pulls the King and then his card a 9 comes out face up, he stops and calls for the floor. I figured he would eventually notice, but kind of wished he would finish this hand before he realized. He tells the floor, his card was exposed and the floor says to pull the next card, which was an Ace but also came out Face up... The floor says, pull the next card and it was a Face up 8. He then tells the dealer to remove the cards from the shoe and they both see they are ALL face up.

The floor tells me "Sir, we have to shuffle the cards and give you a new shoe." I didn't protest realizing the jig was up and they might go back and look at the 7's or other hands where I bet according to my ability to see the next card in the shoe. I quietly cashed out and wondered if I hit the Progressive Blazing Sevens, would they have screwed me out of the payout? They certainly would check the cameras to make sure the hand was legit and if their way out was saying the shoe was "illegally dealt face up", they would definitely go that route.

But alas, it was a problem I would not be faced with and I kept my extra $185 from this fortunate mishap.



They most likely would have reviewed any large jackpot and possibly voided it, but you never know. At least you got a little out of it.


ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
BedWetterBetter
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July 21st, 2019 at 10:40:36 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

They most likely would have reviewed any large jackpot and possibly voided it, but you never know. At least you got a little out of it.


ZCore13



I figured as much, however I could easily counter them and say "The cards would be the same whether they're face up or face down!"

There's truly no way I could possibly know that 3 Diamond Sevens would hit in the order necessary for a Progressive Jackpot, so it would still be a very lucky hit and unlikely I could know 100% it was coming from just seeing the first card.

I probably should have just went for broke and Bet $500 per hand, then claim they dealt illegally and demanded my money back had I lost. But then THEY would refuse & use the excuse that "The cards would be the same whether they're face up or face down!" Gotta love Casino Double Standards!
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July 23rd, 2019 at 12:17:10 AM permalink
The casino's ICs probably have a clause regarding "boxed cards" (cards backwards in the shoe). That clause is likely "Any boxed card is treated as a meaningless piece of paper and burned." So yeah, chances are any jackpot would have been voided, whether they "would have been the same" or not. Every card involved in the hand should have been burned.

ETA: How in the purple hell does even a brand new dealer not realize the cards are coming out backwards? I'm not even sure more training could help someone like that. That dealer is a lost cause.
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BedWetterBetter
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August 5th, 2019 at 9:50:38 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

The casino's ICs probably have a clause regarding "boxed cards" (cards backwards in the shoe). That clause is likely "Any boxed card is treated as a meaningless piece of paper and burned." So yeah, chances are any jackpot would have been voided, whether they "would have been the same" or not. Every card involved in the hand should have been burned.

ETA: How in the purple hell does even a brand new dealer not realize the cards are coming out backwards? I'm not even sure more training could help someone like that. That dealer is a lost cause.



According to one of my colleagues in the gaming industry, Mount Airy has been losing money internally for a while now. The biggest blow coming last year, when a Poker Player left the casino intoxicated, drove off in his car and killed an early morning jogger with his vehicle. He then claimed he was "overserved" by Mount Airy and they were dragged into court over the wrongful death suit. I do not believe they were found liable, but the bad publicity really hurt their public image and caused many financial backers to withdraw as well as customers choosing to go elsewhere in PA for their gaming needs.

So they had to let go of several experienced dealers, waitresses, pit bosses and cashier personnel & replaced them with fresh new recruits. The veterans they have left are placed on the busiest shifts and weekends, while the "rookies" are given the dead hours ie; 6 AM to 12 PM, etc.

I'm betting they hastily trained these new dealers and threw them out there with little shadowing or supervision. Mt. Airy also has more than One floor for gaming due to the smoking complaint and I'm guessing the veteran dealers were given priority for working the non-smoking floors. So once again, they chose quantity over quality in their busiest section and this was the result.

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