Is this strong evidence a casino is cheating?

I don’t play blackjack but I heard a story about someone who got kicked out of a casino for accusing them of cheating. It seemed to me that what he experienced was probably not unlikely, statistically, and the conversation turned into a debate I’d like to settle.

Apparently on three separate times with new decks at a 6-deck table he only saw around 11 aces come out every time and only a small amount of cards left to deal before they shuffled (or however it works). His contention is that it’s unlikely the other half of the aces were in the small pile they didn’t use, all three times, and that the card factory is putting less than 24 aces in there before it gets to the casino.

Regardless of how they might manage to keep aces out of play, is seeing only 11 aces three times, or even five times in a night unlikely? I have no idea how it all works with shoes and cuts and discards and whatever but my hunch is that it’s not that uncommon.

Hi Nathan!

Hi, I’m not Nathan. Did you have a similar debate with someone named Nathan?

I imagine it’s pretty common for people who start losing at any casino game to start thinking it’s rigged. People probably get kicked out often for causing a scene over some unlikely but statistically possible occurrence.

Does your friend go to the restroom every single time the cards are changed on the table? They fan each new deck out face up as a part of that process & you can verify that the aces are all there...

Maybe your friend would have better luck with the pick 3 lotto.

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Hi Nathan!

It's kentry to you sir.

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Hi Nathan!

Probably very unlikely.

Are we talking about 18 yo's in a row here? I've lost track.

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Hi Nathan!

My DNA testing says there’s only a 12% chance this is Nathan.

I see where you’re coming from. The Nathan-ish type writing style. However , the post is actually a valid question and makes sense overall , so it can’t be her

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My DNA testing says there’s only a 12% chance this is Nathan.

I see where you’re coming from. The Nathan-ish type writing style. However , the post is actually a valid question and makes sense overall , so it can’t be her

I dunno... BJ pro gets banned, and BJ cheat shows up? Nathan-ish style writing, designed to mislead but doesn't quite get there? The give away for me is the "I heard that". Nathan always talked about what he heard, never from experience.

(the "he" was intentional, because I think the "she" thing was always BS)

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I don’t play blackjack but I heard a story about someone who got kicked out of a casino for accusing them of cheating. It seemed to me that what he experienced was probably not unlikely, statistically, and the conversation turned into a debate I’d like to settle. ...

Regardless of how they might manage to keep aces out of play, is seeing only 11 aces three times, or even five times in a night unlikely? I have no idea how it all works with shoes and cuts and discards and whatever but my hunch is that it’s not that uncommon.

Hi BJCheat. Welcome to the forum.

In answer to you question... You present it as 'I heard a story about someone'. From that alone, YOU and WE have ZERO evidence that any cheating occured and zero reason to try to establish whether cheating occurred. Has as been said, the cards are normally presented face up at least once. Also, what 'someone' sees during the course of a shoe is seldom what happens. Such perceptions are usually flawed. Who counts aces as they come out, anyway? Rhetorical. There is no value in speculating further.

Meanwhile, if you are puzzled as to why you are greeted by all sorts of cryptic comments about being Nathan, Kentry or others, then please ignore them. Those comments come about because we only recently banned some members who had a writing style similar to yours.

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