One2Six vs Shufflestar
Anyone dare to comment on it?
Quote: acwThe One2Six can be found all over the world, but the Shufflestar is fairly new.
Anyone dare to comment on it?
From a player perspective, it doesn't change anything. Unless the casino has decided to go from 6 decks in the One2Six to 8 decks in the Shufflestar. You're still playing against a continuous shuffler, so if the casino is still using six decks, nothing will change for you.
Why not ten decks, twelve, or more?
Quote: racquetAre these CSMs? What's the justification for going from a six-deck CSM to an eight-deck CSM? I would have thought six decks would insure that for all practical purposes you are getting a "fresh shoe" every round. What measurable statistical benefit accrues to the house by having eight decks being shuffled versus "just" six?
Why not ten decks, twelve, or more?
8 decks increases the house advantage slightly.
Quote: racquetAre these CSMs? What's the justification for going from a six-deck CSM to an eight-deck CSM? I would have thought six decks would insure that for all practical purposes you are getting a "fresh shoe" every round. What measurable statistical benefit accrues to the house by having eight decks being shuffled versus "just" six?
Why not ten decks, twelve, or more?
SHFL equipment is the gold standard in shufflers and charges rent on them accordingly. Other manufacturers charge less. Chances are, if someone is using a non-SHFL machine, it's because the distributor made them a good deal.
Quote: tomchina123it is heard wynn macau updated the csm. not sure it is the model they updated to. the new one is to be against A tracing or card counting. they blacklisted some players. but if the old one is tracable, why are others not updating it? the logic of casino owners are always unclear.
comparison. which one is really better? they have the ability to see which is. the newer shuffler is probably making a move on the casino. i bet they let them take it for free.
Have they been separately patented?
it is kind of interesting. i know this machine a lot. read many patents and threads, vidoes. i am a crazy learner.
i asked many questions: they changed answers by 3 times. that last one just said: our machine is random and safe. then do official looking. they are in suit. they are looking official. but i know they are not. they just care about their job and money.
as what i saw when they opened the cover, the newest model of one2six, the only difference is 8 decks. the inside look is almost the same as 6 decks. the machanism is also the same. though it is shown at the top: card is one by one. but below is by compartments.
Quote: tomchina123in the gambling show in Macau, MAY21-May 23.2019, i had a good talk with shuffle master.
it is kind of interesting. i know this machine a lot. read many patents and threads, vidoes. i am a crazy learner.
i asked many questions: they changed answers by 3 times. that last one just said: our machine is random and safe. then do official looking. they are in suit. they are looking official. but i know they are not. they just care about their job and money.
as what i saw when they opened the cover, the newest model of one2six, the only difference is 8 decks. the inside look is almost the same as 6 decks. the machanism is also the same. though it is shown at the top: card is one by one. but below is by compartments.
That's odd. The last statement isn't even remotely close to being true.
Quote: tomchina123
as what i saw when they opened the cover, the newest model of one2six, the only difference is 8 decks. the inside look is almost the same as 6 decks. the machanism is also the same. though it is shown at the top: card is one by one. but below is by compartments.
One2Six or ShuffleStar ?
Or do you mean to say that the only difference between the One2Six and the ShuffleStar is that effectively the ShuffleStar can have 8 decks instead of 6, but that the actual mechanics of it are almost the same?
Quote: acwQuote: tomchina123
as what i saw when they opened the cover, the newest model of one2six, the only difference is 8 decks. the inside look is almost the same as 6 decks. the machanism is also the same. though it is shown at the top: card is one by one. but below is by compartments.
One2Six or ShuffleStar ?
Or do you mean to say that the only difference between the One2Six and the ShuffleStar is that effectively the ShuffleStar can have 8 decks instead of 6, but that the actual mechanics of it are almost the same?
yes. if shufflestar is that 8 decks.
this is my understanding.
if not the same, they need to make 8*52 compartments, which is not possible. they need to make a balance between engineering feasiblity and randomness.
Quote: WaldoHas anyone seen the newer SHUFFLESTAR continuous shufflers anywhere in Las Vegas?
how the heck has no one EVER used that user name before you
Quote: WaldoHas anyone seen the newer SHUFFLESTAR continuous shufflers anywhere in Las Vegas? Or anywhere else?
Why is this seemingly the only thing you can say? I mean all I talk about is rigged gaming equipment and that gets old. But seriously what’s your goal by asking people about this shuffler machine?
Quote: SM777That's odd. The last statement isn't even remotely close to being true.
See:
Quote: acwThe new one comes in rather different versions too.
Have they been separately patented?
Quote: WaldoHas anyone seen the newer SHUFFLESTAR continuous shufflers anywhere in Las Vegas? Or anywhere else?
Wynn (Palace) Macau
Quote: acwThe new one comes in rather different versions too.
Have they been separately patented?
What are the rather different versions?
Quote: Allan99What are the rather different versions?
Same thing as with the One2Six, slightly different feeder.
The ShuffleStar is not on their list yet.
Is there an approval from another regulator?
Quote: WaldoHas anyone seen the newer SHUFFLESTAR continuous shufflers anywhere in Las Vegas? Or anywhere else?
http://mgsdaily.com/2018/11/15/doing-the-sg-shuffle/
“The ShuffleStar is now on over 500 blackjack tables globally"
Other than Wynn Macau where are they?
Interesting thing - all tables have 8-deck discard tray, with tape mark at 1-1.5 deck level to indicate to dealer to recycle cards. Except that sometimes dealers forget, and the discard tray can pile up like in a shoe game. And no one is paying attention to the game because CSM’s are uncountable.
Guess they didnt want to answer your questions.
Probably picked you as someone who isnt a casino buyer - but perhaps someone who wants to copy them?
http://www.dicj.gov.mo/web/en/egm/regulation/slotapproval/gamelist-2020/SG.html
