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January 5th, 2019 at 5:28:20 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Aw c'mon Wizard. I might often disagree with BillRyan, but I did see good humour in his post. The 'They got to you' certainly made me chuckle.



Like most mildly autistic people, I have difficulty picking up on sarcasm.
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January 5th, 2019 at 5:47:08 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Like most mildly autistic people, I have difficulty picking up on sarcasm.

Well... I live and learn. No criticism or offence meant to anyone.
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January 5th, 2019 at 6:13:54 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

The current state of Nevada law on the issue of right to exclude is that casinos can exclude patrons for any reason so long as the reason is not unlawful.

Per the Slade case:

The only unlawful bases to exclude would be based on consideration of a patron's "race, color, creed, national origin, or sex."

"Dr. Slade failed to demonstrate that his exclusion was for an unlawful reason."

"Dr. Slade does not argue on appeal, nor did he litigate at district court, that he was excluded from Caesars' properties for an unlawful reason."

My take: in Nevada, they can toss you for counting cards, end of story.



I suggest you go back and read my statements regarding the slade case in my trespass thread brcause I made sure to touch up on it. Plain and simple, the slad case changed NOTHING other than to confuse people to think it changed anything and gave rights to.casinos to exclude at will. Long story short, slade did not seek discovery on why he was thrown out. Had he done so, this wouldve never reached the supreme court, but the casinos used thid opportunity to create a vague and confusing ability of power to exclude at will.

So much for you being a lawyer. I suggest you read between the lines of what actually went down during the Slade case. You actually made my point with the quotes you pulled from the Slade case. This was on slade for not seeking discovery. The end ruling had nothing to do with a casino to be able to exclude at will. Thats exactly why the statutes are written the way they are AND exactly why Vegas went to 6:5 as soon as the Slade ruling came into effect.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 5th, 2019 at 6:16:11 PM permalink
I also want to say this. The 3 times ive been read the trespass statute in vegas, i had previously called gaming or got gaming involved in some fashion. Im wondering now if casinos are using this as disruptive or disorderly conduct? Wouldnt surprise me. Luckily im too smart and i wont call gaming again because I see a correlation here. Maybe the casinos do know the truth about trespassing but they wait for you to slip up in some fashion and use the excuse of disorderly conduct. Not sure how calling gaming can fit that criteria but wouldnt surprise me. Thoughts anyone?
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 5th, 2019 at 6:24:47 PM permalink
I think you should co-write, with Mr V, a Socratic dialogue exploring all sides of this. The site does pay for that sort of thing.
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January 5th, 2019 at 6:32:27 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Let's lower the temperature and try to be courteous.


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January 5th, 2019 at 6:35:23 PM permalink
Here in Virginia when I want to trespass someone from the store i work at I first must tell them to leave or I will call the police. Once I say that the police have told me I have the right to call the the police and have the person trespassed and barred from my store for 3 years. On the form I have to fill out I have used the reason "suspected shoplifter" and that is good enough for the police to bar them. Also, I have used the reason "being belligerent to employees" and that works equally well. Most people don't stick around for the police to show up probably because if they did they may have other legal issues come to light.

Calling the police to trespass someone is definitely in my top 5 favorite things I get to do at work.
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January 5th, 2019 at 6:58:58 PM permalink
Yikes.
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January 5th, 2019 at 8:48:40 PM permalink
Quote: cmlotito

Here in Virginia when I want to trespass someone from the store i work at I first must tell them to leave or I will call the police. Once I say that the police have told me I have the right to call the the police and have the person trespassed and barred from my store for 3 years. On the form I have to fill out I have used the reason "suspected shoplifter" and that is good enough for the police to bar them. Also, I have used the reason "being belligerent to employees" and that works equally well. Most people don't stick around for the police to show up probably because if they did they may have other legal issues come to light.

Calling the police to trespass someone is definitely in my top 5 favorite things I get to do at work.



Can you please clarify what you mean? Do you mean you call the police only if they refuse to leave?
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 5th, 2019 at 8:50:54 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Can you please clarify what you mean? Do you mean you call the police only if they refuse to leave?



Correct. The police will not come unless they confirm with me that I have told the person in question to leave and are refusing to do so. That is what will trigger a police response. Refusing to leave once told to do so by the person in charge of the business.

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