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ZenKinG
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January 5th, 2019 at 2:52:58 PM permalink
Hey Zcore and everyone else saying im wrong and misunderstanding the law. Straight from the judges mouth.

The judge in the Thomas Robertson case clearly says "NRS 207.200 VIOLATES NRS 1.030" when applied to the defendant, which is the statute for the application of the common law in the State of Nevada as ill get into below. Did you read that right? The judge said the trespassing statute that the Stratosphere and SLS drone security guards and managers love to recite to you "VIOLATES", the common law also known as NRS 1.030. And who is the defendant? Keep reading. The judge then goes on to say that "members of the public have a RIGHT to enjoy a place of public amusement and "ABSENT any disruptive or disorderly conduct", that casinos would be violating the common law if they decided to trespass them. WOW. Did you read that? Maybe you should read it again. "ABSENT ANY DISRUPTIVE OR DISORDERLY CONDUCT", they cannot be trespassed from a casino.

The judge then proceeds to cite the ending part of 463.0129, which, remember, is the part of the statute that says casinos and misinformed people like Zcore claim they have the right to trespass you for any reason, and I quote, "the saving language at NRS 463.0129.3(a) "Does NOT apply ABSENT disruptive or disorderly conduct".

WOW. Not only did the judge say the trespassing statute of NRS 207.200 was in violation of the common law of the State of Nevada when there is NO DISRUPTIVE or DiSORDERLY CONDUCT done in a casino, but he then also goes and clears up the vague 'exception' part of the NRS 463.0129 statute saying it DOES NOT APPLY as well.

So Zcore, go ahead and every other misinformed (insert derogatory term here) go ahead and please tell me again how im misunderstanding the laws? LOL. Must suck that your casino superiority complex agenda to confuse everyone about their rights has burnt to a crisp thanks to me once again. Go ahead and tell me again that a public place is only referred to as a police station or park LOL. I guess a police station is considered a 'public amusement'. Or maybr you can go educate yourself by reading the full court case as I did.

Oh WAIT, theres more. Stick with me for a second. Lets put two and two together. NRS 207.200 (Trespass statute) violates the common law ABSENT disruptive or disorderly conduct. Check. Casino security reads you trespass act anyway and tells you not to return. Check. Rights are now violated. Check. Title 18 Section 241 conspiracy against rights = two or more people conspiring against your rights. Check. Title 18 = Major felony. Check. Security guards and casino managers all go to prison. Check.

Glad I can clear up all the confusion kids. Let me know if you guys need anything else. For more specific and detailed information relating to this topic, please refer to this thread.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/31733-official-legality-of-casino-trespassing/
Last edited by: ZenKinG on Jan 5, 2019
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
Zcore13
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January 5th, 2019 at 3:41:02 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Hey Zcore and everyone else saying im wrong and misunderstanding the law. Straight from the judges mouth.

The judge in the Thomas Robertson case clearly says "NRS 207.200 VIOLATES NRS 1.030" when applied to the defendant, which is the statute for the application of the common law in the State of Nevada as ill get into below. Did you read that right? The judge said the trespassing statute that the Stratosphere and SLS drone security guards and managers love to recite to you "VIOLATES", the common law also known as NRS 1.030. And who is the defendant? Keep reading. The judge then goes on to say that "members of the public have a RIGHT to enjoy a place of public amusement and "ABSENT any disruptive or disorderly conduct", that casinos would be violating the common law if they decided to trespass them. WOW. Did you read that? Maybe you should read it again. "ABSENT ANY DISRUPTIVE OR DISORDERLY CONDUCT", they cannot be trespassed from a casino.

The judge then proceeds to cite the ending part of 463.0129, which, remember, is the part of the statute that says casinos and misinformed people like Zcore claim they have the right to trespass you for any reason, and I quote, "the saving language at NRS 463.0129.3(a) "Does NOT apply ABSENT disruptive or disorderly conduct".

WOW. Not only did the judge say the trespassing statute of NRS 207.200 was in violation of the common law of the State of Nevada when there is NO DISRUPTIVE or DiSORDERLY CONDUCT done in a casino, but he then also goes and clears up the vague 'exception' part of the NRS 463.0129 statute saying it DOES NOT APPLY as well.

So Zcore, go ahead and every other misinformed (insert derogatory term here) go ahead and please tell me again how im misunderstanding the laws? LOL. Must suck that your casino superiority complex agenda to confuse everyone about their rights has burnt to a crisp thanks to me once again. Go ahead and tell me again that a public place is only referred to as a police station or park LOL. I guess a police station is considered a 'public amusement'. Or maybr you can go educate yourself by reading the full court case as I did.

Oh WAIT, theres more. Stick with me for a second. Lets put two and two together. NRS 207.200 (Trespass statute) violates the common law ABSENT disruptive or disorderly conduct. Check. Casino security reads you trespass act anyway and tells you not to return. Check. Rights are now violated. Check. Title 18 Section 241 conspiracy against rights = two or more people conspiring against your rights. Check. Title 18 = Major felony. Check. Security guards and casino managers all go to prison. Check.

Glad I can clear up all the confusion kids. Let me know if you guys need anything else. For more specific and detailed information relating to this topic, please refer to this thread.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/31733-official-legality-of-casino-trespassing/



You'll lose.


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January 5th, 2019 at 3:47:36 PM permalink
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You'll lose.


ZCore13



Just so everyone knows, when Zcore loses an argument or anyone in a higher authority position such as the government, who tries to misconstrue information for their own personal gain, they resort to either personal attacks, off topic moral standards, or simply saying it wont work or youll lose, completely ignoring all the facts and changing the subject. When this happens, you realize there was an agenda all along if they cant admit they were wrong.

Casinos are committing serious felonies every day trespassing counters. Its time someone brings the truth to light. Ive laid out the roadmap of how to do it. It will probably end up being me that has to take them to court for this since everyone else is comfortable with their life and nothing is 'worth it' for anyone anymore. Sad state of affairs this society.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 5th, 2019 at 3:47:52 PM permalink
So how many Muslims have been booted from Trump properties over the years with absolutely no media coverage?
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January 5th, 2019 at 4:02:38 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Just so everyone knows, when Zcore loses an argument or anyone in a higher authority position such as the government, who tries to misconstrue information for their own personal gain, they resort to either personal attacks, off topic moral standards, or simply saying it wont work or youll lose, completely ignoring all the facts and changing the subject. When this happens, you realize there was an agenda all along if they cant admit they were wrong.

Casinos are committing serious felonies every day trespassing counters. Its time someone brings the truth to light. Ive laid out the roadmap of how to do it. It will probably end up being me that has to take them to court for this since everyone else is comfortable with their life and nothing is 'worth it' for anyone anymore. Sad state of affairs this society.



Yes, society would be much better off if more people were willing to go to jail in search of a payoff. All those stupid fathers, living their dronelike existence taking care of their families. Society would be much better off without them and with a few more kings. You can thank him later.
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January 5th, 2019 at 4:04:57 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Just so everyone knows, when Zcore loses an argument or anyone in a higher authority position such as the government, who tries to misconstrue information for their own personal gain, they resort to either personal attacks, off topic moral standards, or simply saying it wont work or youll lose, completely ignoring all the facts and changing the subject. When this happens, you realize there was an agenda all along if they cant admit they were wrong.

Casinos are committing serious felonies every day trespassing counters. Its time someone brings the truth to light. Ive laid out the roadmap of how to do it. It will probably end up being me that has to take them to court for this since everyone else is comfortable with their life and nothing is 'worth it' for anyone anymore. Sad state of affairs this society.



Don't you worry that you'll turn Vegas into Atlantic City? People won't be barred from casinos but they'll have to play in crappier conditions? That's what happened with Ken Uston, right?
"Favorable bets are called 'investments.' Unfavorable bets constitute 'gambling.' -William Poundstone quoting John Kelly Jr. in Fortune's Formula
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January 5th, 2019 at 4:06:00 PM permalink
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Yes, society would be much better off if more people were willing to go to jail in search of a payoff. All those stupid fathers, living their dronelike existence taking care of their families. Society would be much better off without them and with a few more kings. You can thank him later.



Find at any point where I mentioned I was doing any of this to get a 'payoff', then get back to me. This is simply about principa and what's right and wrong, but of course people constantly put words in my mouth to try and argue with me.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
ZenKinG
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January 5th, 2019 at 4:09:21 PM permalink
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Don't you worry that you'll turn Vegas into Atlantic City? People won't be barred from casinos but they'll have to play in crappier conditions? That's what happened with Ken Uston, right?



It will only happen if vegas management is as braindead and paranoid about counters as Atlantic City was. How did that turn out for AC? Became a ghost town as competing jurisdictions offered better games and players took their business elsewhere. I also can care less about blackjack in this city if it went to hell.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
Minty
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January 5th, 2019 at 4:12:16 PM permalink
Right, but with everything you've said don't you think there's a decent chance that could happen, and is it worth it to prove a point? You could systematically go after every casino, but if they all become unplayable after it's a waste of time and doing more harm than good.
"Favorable bets are called 'investments.' Unfavorable bets constitute 'gambling.' -William Poundstone quoting John Kelly Jr. in Fortune's Formula
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January 5th, 2019 at 4:18:20 PM permalink
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It will only happen if vegas management is as braindead and paranoid about counters as Atlantic City was. How did that turn out for AC? Became a ghost town as competing jurisdictions offered better games and players took their business elsewhere. I also can care less about blackjack in this city if it went to hell.



Talk about a total lack of understanding and misrepresentation of facts.

AC struggling had next to nothing to do with BJ rules and changes.

PA and other states around them opening casinos killed the customer base they almost exclusively had other than MS and NV. As competition opened in almost every state around them, they had too many casinos for the volume of customers.

And now they have seemed to have found a rebirth with the Opening of Hard Rock and Ocean. Probably still need to reduce 1 or 2 more but feel free to see if MGM feels Borgata is a Ghost Town.

And no, your little fight and threats will not change anything, but if it makes you feel better, you go right ahead. After all, isnít that what your generation is all about? Being made to feel good for anything you do. Iíll pitch in for your participation trophy. You deserve it at a minimum.

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