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FinsRule
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January 11th, 2019 at 6:49:07 AM permalink
Isnít anyone bored of this conversation yet?

We have the same one every 30 days (after ZK comes back from suspensions).
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January 11th, 2019 at 7:09:58 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

I domt care about getting dragged into a backroom, I welcome it. I wouldnt care about getting beat up. First off, its going to take at least 5 security guards to even have a chance at kicking my ass. Secondly, Im not scared of anyone in these casinos. They can beat me up 500 times, ill keep coming back for more.



No you won't.

As others have said you've done nothing so far, you'll likely do nothing in the future.

It's fine, indeed it is helpful to talk about this issue here, but when you try to interject yourself in the role of Captain Marvel in patently absurd hypothetical scenarios: well, I just choked on my morning coffee.

Funny thing, but I also wouldn't care about you getting beat up, either: we can both agree on that.

Heck, having it happen 500 times or more just puts it into the bonus round.

Just DO something about it and quit jawboning: we're all tough guys on the internet.
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boymimbo
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January 11th, 2019 at 7:50:27 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

First off, them reading me the trespass statute and them writing down the reason(which they probably didnt), is irrelevant to whether I can seek discovery in district court. The whole point of seeking discovery in trial court is to get it on the RECORD so they drop the case once it is found they excluded you without GOOD CAUSE. This isnt exactly a private home that can say get off my lawn and the previous court decisions all prove it. The slade case proved it as well if you actually know what youre reading and why something was said the way it was said as I described many times already.

Secondly, that is not a valid reason to exclude. You cannot exclude someone in a public place without GOOD CAUSE. You seek discovery in district court, the case gets dropped every time. Card counting is NOT GOOD CAUSE.

Lastly, i dont thank Bob for anything, I domt care about getting dragged into a backroom, I welcome it. I wouldnt care about getting beat up....



Quote: NRS463.0129.3.a

this section does not abrogate any common-law right of a gaming establishment ttonexclude any person from gaming activities or eject any person from the premises of the establishment for any reason.



There exists no court case where the court decided that the casino did not have the right to trespass, discovery or not. CZR won its case despite not having to disclose the reason why the trespass was initially created in another jurisdiction and the judges knew that. Only one judge dissented, taking your point of view that discovery could have been relevant. There have been numerous cases in lower courts meanwhile where there has been no dispute that card counting is included under "any reason".

Just because one judge of 7 agreed that discovery would be relevant does not mean that trespassing for card counting is no longer valid. Quite the contrary: Slade established at the supreme court level that a trespass is valid for any reason, even if initiated in a different jurisdiction, even if it the patrons wish not to gamble in the establishment, and even if the reason is not provided. If Nesarian (Slade's lawyer) thought that discovery would help his patron he certainly would have asked for it.

Casino security no longer assaults patrons. Some of them have the training and the right to issue summons and make arrests.

You seem to have drilled in your head that trespass must be done "for good cause". What Nevada legal resource or court case makes you believe that? Slade reinforced 469.129.3.a. the decision is in the introduction:

Quote: Slade, Appellant Vs Caesars Entertainment Corporation


"In this appeal, we are asked to consider whether common-law principles referenced in 469.0129(3)(a) permit gaming establishments to exclude from their premises any person for any reason. We generally adopt the majority common-law rule permitting the exclusion of persons for any reason that is not discriminatory or otherwise unlawful.



Your bravado will be your undoing as will your refusal to listen to reasonable advice. So go ahead and live your life while I microwave some popcorn.

And 6/5 has been around for a long time. There is a googlable story at the Las Vegas Sun from June 18, 2010 stating that 25% of strip blackjack tables was at 6-5. In April 2015 it was at 48.9% of strip casino floors (the evolution of blackjack, by Eliot Jacobsen) was introduced in the summer of 2002. Slade was decided in May 2016. So you can kiss that conspiracy good-bye.

Back to work I go.
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boymimbo
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January 11th, 2019 at 7:52:00 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Isnít anyone bored of this conversation yet?

We have the same one every 30 days (after ZK comes back from suspensions).



Honing my research skills and using logic keeps my brain moving. To me this is fun.
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FTB
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January 11th, 2019 at 9:55:53 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

It is a shame the poster didn't have the courage to post under his real id. If I were a mod, I'd reject claims made by obvious shills out of hand.



It's a shame some posters do not show more courage not to jump to assumptions. One knows what can happen when that occurs.

FWIW, I am not a current member masquerading under a second ID* or former member. As ZQ is fond to say, "Nice try."

We agree on one thing: moderation here is sad, or should I say, is not on equal footing.

I suppose it is normal human nature for humans moderating humans online to be biased sometimes. Doesn't make it any less frustrating.

Carry on and stay thirsty, drones... (kidding)

*Edited/updated (thanks, Shirley)
Last edited by: FTB on Jan 11, 2019
unJon
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January 11th, 2019 at 11:14:38 AM permalink
Quote: FTB

It's a shame some posters do not show more courage not to jump to assumptions. One knows what can happen when that occurs.

FWIW, I am not a current or former member. As ZQ is fond to say, "Nice try."

We agree on one thing: moderation here is sad, or should I say, is not on equal footing.

I suppose it is normal human nature for humans moderating humans online to be biased sometimes. Doesn't make it any less frustrating.

Carry on and stay thirsty, drones... (kidding)

(emphasis added)

Surely youíre a current member.

Donít call me Shirley.
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gamerfreak
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January 11th, 2019 at 11:22:29 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I know ZK. I really doubt he looks underage to anyone. I could be wrong.


I also met ZK a while back. I believe him, Romes, PG, and myself are all similar in age/how old we look. And like Romes said, getting IDíd is CONSTANT depending on the casino/state.

Most anyone under 35 is going to get IDíd quite a bit. Having s baby face does not help either. Vegas is a little more lax than other areas but not by much.

In Pennsylvania any entrance to the casino floor is roped off, and you get carded at the door.

I have no doubt that at least part of ZKís problems with security and pit creatures is that they think he is underage and refuses to show ID.
billryan
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January 11th, 2019 at 11:35:31 AM permalink
Having met all three of you, I'd say you are by far the youngest looking of the group.

Three years ago, when I vacationed here with my son, he was id'd constantly. He's in his 30s but still gets asked for id a lot. He has his mothers looks.
gamerfreak
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January 11th, 2019 at 12:13:47 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Having met all three of you, I'd say you are by far the youngest looking of the group.

Three years ago, when I vacationed here with my son, he was id'd constantly. He's in his 30s but still gets asked for id a lot. He has his mothers looks.


I think I am the youngest. But I look even younger than I am.

If I ever shave clean, which is never, I look like Iím right out of a 9th grade yearbook.
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January 11th, 2019 at 1:32:15 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I think I am the youngest. But I look even younger than I am.

If I ever shave clean, which is never, I look like Iím right out of a 9th grade yearbook.



Beards do make a big difference! Wish I could grow more than a bit of stubble. My brother wouldn't get ID'd and I would when we'd play, and I'm four years older. The curse and blessing of youth, I suppose.
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