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October 27th, 2018 at 10:33:00 PM permalink
I think I spend less than 16k a year for bills. Vegas is cheap
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October 27th, 2018 at 11:45:07 PM permalink
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I think I spend less than 16k a year for bills. Vegas is cheap



I think I spend that on food.
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October 27th, 2018 at 11:47:27 PM permalink
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I think I spend that on food.



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October 28th, 2018 at 5:34:29 AM permalink
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Yeah, 17k profit after 400 hours is not beating a game right? 60k career profit after 1300 hours is not beating the game right? Damn im good. Imagine if I actually felt lile playing more? I havent even tried yet in my life and im dominating.

P.S. if you know anyone in a high position in these casinos, tell them to please trespass me and arrest me. Go ahead. Lets see what happens. Im not scared of anyone here. I also dont care about potentially getting railroaded by the judge. Ill go to prison for 6 months, I can care less. Then ill do it again, get trespassed and go to court again. Ill keep doing it until the penatly becomes more than one year and then Ill be able to get a jury trial and get a court decision in this town since apparently corrupt judges have interpreted the 6th amendment as to not allow jury trials for ALL cases, which is a complete and utter embarassment.

Once again im a step ahead of everyone.



I wanted to hit on this last night but a flight got in the way. But I have time before the Eagles game.

Trust me, ZK, the casinos don't need me or anyone to let them know about you. It's a safe bet you are on their radar and probably not for being the best BJ player ever, the King of the World or a legal threat. They know your name, address and history and may even know when you walk in the door.

Many AP's on here have been paranoid (there's that word again) that casino employees monitor this site. They are probably safe in the assumption. Our own Wizard worked for a casino, a long time poster ran a darkside company and other members work for casinos. They have a reason to be this way, it's smart and they are looking out for their business interests. But none of the successful ones rant on and on like you do. Most admit they have been screwed over by casinos in multiple ways that cost them financially, at times large amounts. But they pick themselves, and instead of picking a fight, move on to the next opportunity. Simply a good business decision.

So it's safe to believe your ramblings (I'm being generous) have hit their radar. While some of your defenders say they are nothing but you letting out steam, the world has changed. October 1 changed the casino landscape. MGM, Caesars and others are Multi Billion Dollar companies that failed in their security and allowed a nightmare to happen. Does anyone really believe they are not doing almost everything possible to never allow it to happen again? That they don't look for and follow up on anyone they perceive to have an issue with them? And has threatened them with lawsuits and more?

I believe everyone of us wants to believe they keep files on anyone they consider to have issues with them. While 99.99% of them may never do anything but "let off steam", they want to be better safe than sorry. It's only common sense.

So while you may be looking for a fight with them, don't think for a minute you are not on their radar. Maybe, just maybe, you are not as slick as you think you are.
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October 28th, 2018 at 6:04:27 AM permalink
Security at Mandalay Bay has seemingly decreased, or is less visible. I hit the House of Blues fairly frequently and security in the casino is lax.
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October 28th, 2018 at 6:11:10 AM permalink
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I think I spend less than 16k a year for bills. Vegas is cheap



My electric bill rivals that.
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October 28th, 2018 at 10:18:42 AM permalink
I lied everyone. This wasnt my final shoutout.

Shout out to Aria. You guys just got set up badly. Ive been returning each and every time after a backoff to collect data. I then waited 3 months to go back again for the final confirmation. It's clear youre using facial recognition. So good luck ever getting me again. Facial recognition is so easy to beat. LOL. How does it feel you will never get rid of me? I thought you guys said you would trespass me upon next visit? What happened? Learn to not play the game with someone else that can play it better. You guys are at my mercy. Not to mention I feel so bad for whoever runs this property. You literally have a separate department for game protection where you stick a bunch of droned out robots next to their little computers for 10 an hour waiting to snapshot these almighty counters that are going to wipe out your chip rack. Guess youre going to need to spend a bit more to stop me. Make sure to arrest me next time please, thanks.

By the way still waiting for the safeguards in place for what Palms are doing. Preshuffled cards and NO ASM to verify? Still waiting...
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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October 28th, 2018 at 11:51:30 AM permalink
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Im basically retired at this point. How am I retired with only 50k in this inflationary economy you may ask. First off I have no debt because I didnt fall into the debt trap that the government and society prays on that you do. People waste their whole lives trying to make 'payments' and 'catch up'.



Question ZK

If your living in a hyper inflationary world, would it not be to your advantage to take out as much debt as possible?(Assuming you would do something constructive with the capital to get a return on your money instead of just borrowing to consume)

Hyperinflation relieves debtors of a major portion of their liabilities.

If you borrow $1,000,000 on a fixed rate 30 year 5% loan and 5 years down the line hyperinflation hits you have essentially 25 years remaining on the loan where you are paying almost nothing when priced in hard assets. Whatever hard asset you purchased with the $1,000,000 loan could be worth $300,000,000,000 priced in 2023 dollars(assuming a massive depreciation in the dollar).

Why is it not +EV to take on debt if we are headed to SHTF and hyperinflation?
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October 28th, 2018 at 12:07:26 PM permalink
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My electric bill rivals that.



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October 28th, 2018 at 12:14:01 PM permalink
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Question ZK

If your living in a hyper inflationary world, would it not be to your advantage to take out as much debt as possible?(Assuming you would do something constructive with the capital to get a return on your money instead of just borrowing to consume)

Hyperinflation relieves debtors of a major portion of their liabilities.

If you borrow $1,000,000 on a fixed rate 30 year 5% loan and 5 years down the line hyperinflation hits you have essentially 25 years remaining on the loan where you are paying almost nothing when priced in hard assets. Whatever hard asset you purchased with the $1,000,000 loan could be worth $300,000,000,000 priced in 2023 dollars(assuming a massive depreciation in the dollar).

Why is it not +EV to take on debt if we are headed to SHTF and hyperinflation?



As long as you are prepared for the deflation that precedes the hyperinflation in most instances, your scenario is optimal to take advantage.
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October 28th, 2018 at 8:18:27 PM permalink
Still waiting..... And im the crazy one yet no one can provide an explanation as to what the Palms are doing. NO ASM and preshuffled cards. Where are the safeguards in place?
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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October 28th, 2018 at 9:08:49 PM permalink
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Still waiting..... And im the crazy one yet no one can provide an explanation as to what the Palms are doing. NO ASM and preshuffled cards. Where are the safeguards in place?



Nobody cares that you are waiting. They are allowed to do it. They are doing it. If you don't like it, don't play there.


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October 28th, 2018 at 9:25:10 PM permalink
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Nobody cares that you are waiting. They are allowed to do it. They are doing it. If you don't like it, don't play there.


ZCore13



So I was right, thanks. Corrupt mafia ridden town with no safeguards in place. Gaming commission has no answer. Inside employees have no answer. Great. "If you dont like it, dont play there". No comment. The intelligence of casino employees, especially managers just boggles my mind.
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Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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October 28th, 2018 at 9:58:09 PM permalink
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Still waiting..... And im the crazy one yet no one can provide an explanation as to what the Palms are doing.



I certainly have not had a decent nights sleep since this Palms news broke.
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October 28th, 2018 at 10:19:11 PM permalink
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Nobody cares that you are waiting. They are allowed to do it. They are doing it. If you don't like it, don't play there.


ZCore13


If you had never written you were a floorperson / pit boss before, I'd still know you're a floorperson / pit boss based on comments like these.
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October 28th, 2018 at 11:06:04 PM permalink
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If you had never written you were a floorperson / pit boss before, I'd still know you're a floorperson / pit boss based on comments like these.



It doesn't matter what position or what business. If you don't like something a business does, you have the option to go there or not. It's really simple.

I personally didn't like the loudness of Hard Rock when I played there. Did I complain and demand they turn down the music? No. I just stopped going there.

There's a grocery store near me that doesn't carry a pretty popular item most stores do. Do I confront them and tell them they don't know how to run a grocery store? No. I just don't shop there

It's so dumb and such a waste of time to worry and complain about stupid things. This Country is great and known for having choices. Lots of them. The consumer speaks with their money. If business don't listen, they go out of business.

How many people do you think care that pre-shuffled decks are being used? Not many. Probably 0% of recreational gamblers, which probably makes up 99% of the customer base.

ZK is trouble. And not because he's any threat to their money. He makes less than they pay a Pit Clerk. He's the same trouble another "famous" poster from here used to be to craps players and staff. Nobody in the business takes these types of people seriously. If it not one thing, it's another. Cards being removed, shufflers rigged, pre-shuffled cards, evil employees. Nobody know the law, daring casinos to do things, gonna commit suicide. I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting. It's a joke.



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October 28th, 2018 at 11:33:12 PM permalink
i cannot follow this thread much. but i wish u best of luck, and it is America, not Macau.
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October 28th, 2018 at 11:34:43 PM permalink
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It doesn't matter what position or what business. If you don't like something a business does, you have the option to go there or not. It's really simple.

I personally didn't like the loudness of Hard Rock when I played there. Did I complain and demand they turn down the music? No. I just stopped going there.

There's a grocery store near me that doesn't carry a pretty popular item most stores do. Do I confront them and tell them they don't know how to run a grocery store? No. I just don't shop there

It's so dumb and such a waste of time to worry and complain about stupid things. This Country is great and known for having choices. Lots of them. The consumer speaks with their money. If business don't listen, they go out of business.

How many people do you think care that pre-shuffled decks are being used? Not many. Probably 0% of recreational gamblers, which probably makes up 99% of the customer base.

ZK is trouble. And not because he's any threat to their money. He makes less than they pay a Pit Clerk. He's the same trouble another "famous" poster from here used to be to craps players and staff. Nobody in the business takes these types of people seriously. If it not one thing, it's another. Cards being removed, shufflers rigged, pre-shuffled cards, evil employees. Nobody know the law, daring casinos to do things, gonna commit suicide. I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting. It's a joke.



ZCore13


It's clear you don't see the situation for what it is. You see it as akin to poor customer service. The reality of the situation is this is a prime setup for cheating to occur especially with no NGC oversight. If the Palms can do it, so can any other casino. It's not a matter of "the music is too loud" but that of legality. Without oversight, how do we know we're playing on honest game?

A few things I've learned from being in this business:
1. Casinos are savage AF. Not all casinos all the time. But it's far too common for a casino to think it can do whatever it wants because it's a "private business".

2. Fines levied on casinos are dirt cheap, whether they're for legitimately cheating or just being incompetent. How much was Sugarhouse fined for having something like 5 instances of messed up decks? If I were a casino owner, I may have to think twice about offering a fair game if I just have to pay a $100k fine.

3. Nevada and other state gaming regulators are.....well, they aren't particularly known for being too bright. I've talked with Nevada gaming as well as gaming in a few other states. Oftentimes they say something along the lines of, "The casino is a private business, they can do what they want." I actually had an agent tell me they don't have any kind of jurisdiction over the casino, and yes, this was the NGC I was talking to about a casino in LV.
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October 29th, 2018 at 12:45:52 AM permalink
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Still waiting..... And im the crazy one yet no one can provide an explanation as to what the Palms are doing. NO ASM and preshuffled cards. Where are the safeguards in place?



On another site KewlJ was just talking about having his worst week ever. Happens right when these new cards hit town. Coincidence? You decide. The King might be onto something. 😃😜
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October 29th, 2018 at 1:10:35 AM permalink
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It's clear you don't see the situation for what it is. You see it as akin to poor customer service. The reality of the situation is this is a prime setup for cheating to occur especially with no NGC oversight. If the Palms can do it, so can any other casino. It's not a matter of "the music is too loud" but that of legality. Without oversight, how do we know we're playing on honest game?

A few things I've learned from being in this business:
1. Casinos are savage AF. Not all casinos all the time. But it's far too common for a casino to think it can do whatever it wants because it's a "private business".

2. Fines levied on casinos are dirt cheap, whether they're for legitimately cheating or just being incompetent. How much was Sugarhouse fined for having something like 5 instances of messed up decks? If I were a casino owner, I may have to think twice about offering a fair game if I just have to pay a $100k fine.

3. Nevada and other state gaming regulators are.....well, they aren't particularly known for being too bright. I've talked with Nevada gaming as well as gaming in a few other states. Oftentimes they say something along the lines of, "The casino is a private business, they can do what they want." I actually had an agent tell me they don't have any kind of jurisdiction over the casino, and yes, this was the NGC I was talking to about a casino in LV.



Where do you get the information that there is no NGC oversize? From ZK? That's a reliable source. Of course there is oversight. You think the casino just snuck the cards in under the cover of night one random night?

And unless there is cheating or some sort of violation of rules, it is a private business. If the casino is following the approved rules or procedures, you play by their rules.

I had the opportunity to switch to pre-shuffled decks. I chose not to, even with the time savings. I would rather customers have the choice to see the cards and the procedures if they choose to. But that's just my personal choice. I also chose not to do dealer speed audits. Again another business choice. I'll take less hands per hour for personal interaction.I believe the pre-shuffled decks are 99.9999% accurate when it comes to all cards being accounted for.

This is all just an attention grab anyway. He loves the attention. My guess would be he has very little personal interaction with people. The crazy rants here fill a void.


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October 29th, 2018 at 1:23:31 AM permalink
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Where do you get the information that there is no NGC oversize? From ZK? That's a reliable source. Of course there is oversight. You think the casino just snuck the cards in under the cover of night one random night?

And unless there is cheating or some sort of violation of rules, it is a private business. If the casino is following the approved rules or procedures, you play by their rules.

I had the opportunity to switch to pre-shuffled decks. I chose not to, even with the time savings. I would rather customers have the choice to see the cards and the procedures if they choose to. But that's just my personal choice. I also chose not to do dealer speed audits. Again another business choice. I'll take less hands per hour for personal interaction.I believe the pre-shuffled decks are 99.9999% accurate when it comes to all cards being accounted for.

This is all just an attention grab anyway. He loves the attention. My guess would be he has very little personal interaction with people. The crazy rants here fill a void.


ZCore13



You sure enjoy disparaging ZenKing every chance you get. I see no reason why ZK is not a reliable source of information. Maybe you should have chosen the field of psychology instead of pit critter. Seeing as to how you can do whatever you want, supposedly. You sure seem to like playing one with your last remarks about a member in good standing on this site.
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October 29th, 2018 at 1:26:02 AM permalink
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You sure enjoy disparaging ZenKing every chance you get. I see no reason why ZK is not a reliable source of information. Maybe you should have chosen the field of psychology instead of pit critter. Seeing as to how you can do whatever you want, supposedly. You sure seem to like playing one with your last remarks about a member in good standing on this site.



And put critter is a compliment I'm sure. Kettle, meet Pot.


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October 29th, 2018 at 1:30:32 AM permalink
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And put critter is a compliment I'm sure. Kettle, meet Pot.


ZCore13



I've never claimed to be complimentary.
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October 29th, 2018 at 2:39:28 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Quote: RS

It's clear you don't see the situation for what it is. You see it as akin to poor customer service. The reality of the situation is this is a prime setup for cheating to occur especially with no NGC oversight. If the Palms can do it, so can any other casino. It's not a matter of "the music is too loud" but that of legality. Without oversight, how do we know we're playing on honest game?

A few things I've learned from being in this business:
1. Casinos are savage AF. Not all casinos all the time. But it's far too common for a casino to think it can do whatever it wants because it's a "private business".

2. Fines levied on casinos are dirt cheap, whether they're for legitimately cheating or just being incompetent. How much was Sugarhouse fined for having something like 5 instances of messed up decks? If I were a casino owner, I may have to think twice about offering a fair game if I just have to pay a $100k fine.

3. Nevada and other state gaming regulators are.....well, they aren't particularly known for being too bright. I've talked with Nevada gaming as well as gaming in a few other states. Oftentimes they say something along the lines of, "The casino is a private business, they can do what they want." I actually had an agent tell me they don't have any kind of jurisdiction over the casino, and yes, this was the NGC I was talking to about a casino in LV.



Where do you get the information that there is no NGC oversize? From ZK? That's a reliable source. Of course there is oversight. You think the casino just snuck the cards in under the cover of night one random night?

And unless there is cheating or some sort of violation of rules, it is a private business. If the casino is following the approved rules or procedures, you play by their rules.

I had the opportunity to switch to pre-shuffled decks. I chose not to, even with the time savings. I would rather customers have the choice to see the cards and the procedures if they choose to. But that's just my personal choice. I also chose not to do dealer speed audits. Again another business choice. I'll take less hands per hour for personal interaction.I believe the pre-shuffled decks are 99.9999% accurate when it comes to all cards being accounted for.

This is all just an attention grab anyway. He loves the attention. My guess would be he has very little personal interaction with people. The crazy rants here fill a void.


ZCore13



10 paragraphs later, still no explanation of how these cards are verified, but just attacking someones character, assumptions regarding my personality and life, and asking rhetorical questions about a casinos integrity. 'Im sure they're verified'. 'Of course there's oversight'. 'You think they just snuck the cards under the cover' etc. How about you just TELL us how these cards are being verified without an ASM at the table and the cards coming all mixed together. These threads were NEVER about straight out claiming a casino is cheating, but rather what protection and safeguards are in place and why they do what they do and when no one can tell me or give me a rational explanation whats going on, what am I to expect? If there's no transparency, it just makes me uncomfortable that a casino might try something irrational one day. It's all about protecting us and giving the customer some ounce of trust. Thats all this is about.

If the factory is the one verifying the cards, are they under 24 hr surveillance for the tape to be sent to the GCB. Is the GCB even watching this tape? What about when the cards are sent out to the casino? Who is monitoring the cards as theyre being delivered? Wouldnt someone just be able to sneak out the cards as theyre in transit if they wanted to? If cards arent being verified AT THE TABLE, these are all legitimate questions.

Is it that hard to tell me who exactly is verifying these new cards at the palms? Cut the bs and answer it. What is so hard? You now have the actual gaming commission and an industry insider in a management position that cant tell me the exact safeguards in place. We got a major problem here because it sounds a lot like a bunch of beating around the bush and too much of a passive approach by the enforcememt agency that we're supposed to be relying upon. I wonder why?

Also please go ahead and tell me how much time you exactly save by ordering preshuffled cards? Does or doesnt the dealer still have to manually check every card for marks? Does or doesnt the dealer still end up putting the preshuffled cards in the ASM to shuffle them AGAIN. So what the hell is the point of having them come pre shuffled if youre going to shuffle them again? Is this some type of safeguard in place in case a casino pre-sets the cards in a specific order to create an even bigger advantage. But if thats a safeguard, does that mean the GCB is not verifying the cards? You see how one question leads to the next?

The biggest thing that boggles my mind is that the indsutry claims pre shuffled cards are used to speed up the game and get more rounds in per hour, which I already spoke to above and disagree with. Ok, let's say, it is in fact about SPEED, right? SO WHY DID THE PALMS GET RID OF THE ASMs? The one thing that is proven to speed up the game? Honestly, this whole thing disgusts me because i see no rational explanation other than to destroy customer transparency. History shows us to stay on our toes regarding casino integrity and when something like this happens and the GCB and casino insiders cant tell me what safeguards are in place, as crazy as the idea might be that theyre cheating, it leaves us no doubt but to question the integrity of these casinos.

I also applaud you and every other casino in the country that choose customer transparency over whatever pennies youre saving ordering pre shuffled cards. Even with an ASM at the tables, that still isnt enough to instill confidemce in the customer base. This is the one industry that should NEVER trade transparency for pennies. The whole business model relies on trust from prospective customers especially when a lot of the games such as slots have such a high house edge, you never want the customer to have any ounce of doubt in their minds. So that was nice to hear.

Im also still waiting for a rebuttal regarding all the facts I provided in the trespassing thread other than you saying 'ZK is misinterpretings things once again'. Yet you can never tell me what was misinterpreted or any court case or statute showing im wrong. Ill be waiting AGAIN. Cheers.
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October 29th, 2018 at 3:02:20 AM permalink
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Where do you get the information that there is no NGC oversize? From ZK? That's a reliable source. Of course there is oversight.


Why is he not a reliable source? Are you a reliable source? Also, can you prove this?
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October 29th, 2018 at 4:39:36 AM permalink
Does anyone know how much I'd have to pay whom to have a few extra good cards added to each box?
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October 29th, 2018 at 4:59:35 AM permalink
I can understand the complaints, whether they are valid or not is another question. However, ZK what are you doing about it other than praising yourself and complaining? Have you gone to your congress person, have you written the AG, have you filed a formal complaint with gaming, have you tweeted the president, have you filed a lawsuit against the casino? If you are not doing all of those things then your complaints are a waste of everyones time.
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October 29th, 2018 at 5:57:25 AM permalink
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Does anyone know how much I'd have to pay whom to have a few extra good cards added to each box?


Hi Prozema,
PM me the name of the casino and I'll sort it for you. I'll charge you $1000 for each added 10 value card ( upto 10 per shoe ) and will arrange for the requisite number of 4's or 5's to be removed. It will take a few days before I can get the adjusted decks rigged and shipped into play, so I suggest you put me on a $100 per day retainer. You'll know when the rigged shoes are in play because I'll send you some special specs with which to read the words 'These cards are not rigged' on the backs of the cards in invisible ink. Sneaky trick - The rigged shoes will be the ones without the invisible mark.

Of course, this will have to be handled with the utmost secrecy, especially hidden from ZenKing, who, fortunately has me blocked.

Offer equally open to other selected members
Would I lie to you
$;o)
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October 29th, 2018 at 6:08:03 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Hi Prozema,
PM me the name of the casino and I'll sort it for you. I'll charge you $1000 for each added 10 value card ( upto 10 per shoe ) and will arrange for the requisite number of 4's or 5's to be removed. It will take a few days before I can get the adjusted decks rigged and shipped into play, so I suggest you put me on a $100 per day retainer. You'll know when the rigged shoes are in play because I'll send you some special specs with which to read the words 'These cards are not rigged' on the backs of the cards in invisible ink. Sneaky trick - The rigged shoes will be the ones without the invisible mark.

Of course, this will have to be handled with the utmost secrecy, especially hidden from ZenKing, who, fortunately has me blocked.

Offer equally open to other selected members
Would I lie to you
$;o)



That's funny! My point was you would think the casinos would want to verify that decks for their own well-being. Anyway, I quoted you so z k could see it.
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October 29th, 2018 at 6:24:48 AM permalink
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It's clear you don't see the situation for what it is. You see it as akin to poor customer service. The reality of the situation is this is a prime setup for cheating to occur especially with no NGC oversight. If the Palms can do it, so can any other casino. It's not a matter of "the music is too loud" but that of legality. Without oversight, how do we know we're playing on honest game?

A few things I've learned from being in this business:
1. Casinos are savage AF. Not all casinos all the time. But it's far too common for a casino to think it can do whatever it wants because it's a "private business".

2. Fines levied on casinos are dirt cheap, whether they're for legitimately cheating or just being incompetent. How much was Sugarhouse fined for having something like 5 instances of messed up decks? If I were a casino owner, I may have to think twice about offering a fair game if I just have to pay a $100k fine.

3. Nevada and other state gaming regulators are.....well, they aren't particularly known for being too bright. I've talked with Nevada gaming as well as gaming in a few other states. Oftentimes they say something along the lines of, "The casino is a private business, they can do what they want." I actually had an agent tell me they don't have any kind of jurisdiction over the casino, and yes, this was the NGC I was talking to about a casino in LV.



Where do you get the information that there is no NGC oversize? From ZK? That's a reliable source. Of course there is oversight. You think the casino just snuck the cards in under the cover of night one random night?

And unless there is cheating or some sort of violation of rules, it is a private business. If the casino is following the approved rules or procedures, you play by their rules.

I had the opportunity to switch to pre-shuffled decks. I chose not to, even with the time savings. I would rather customers have the choice to see the cards and the procedures if they choose to. But that's just my personal choice. I also chose not to do dealer speed audits. Again another business choice. I'll take less hands per hour for personal interaction.I believe the pre-shuffled decks are 99.9999% accurate when it comes to all cards being accounted for.

This is all just an attention grab anyway. He loves the attention. My guess would be he has very little personal interaction with people. The crazy rants here fill a void.


ZCore13


From my experience.

Long story short, one night we had discovered a card was missing from the deck, completely MIA. This was after the table was closed and dealers were re-ordering the cards to be packaged, cut, then sold in the gift shop. It ended up getting found INSIDE the table, like under the railing. Likely a dealer pitched it to a player and the card went under, then dealer thought he just never pitched the player a card. It ended up being a “good card” to be missing for the player.

Wanna know what happened? Nothing. Gaming didn’t find out. No one reported it. No fines. Nothing. Could have easily been a face or ace. Had we not gotten our decks in regular order and shown them face up, could have just as easily been a boss taking a card or two out when opening the pack of cards then returning it at end of shift. Not that I think it’s particularly likely, but there is no assurance all the cards that are supposed to be there are there.


I don’t care if you had the opportunity to go to preshuffled decks or not. We’re not talking about that and why you bring that up makes no sense. Of course some casinos will still use normal ordered decks and show all the cards, but there are clearly casinos that use preshuffled decks and don’t fan them out.

The fact the decks aren’t verified is the problem. Just because they’re within the laws & regulations to do that doesn’t matter. (Do you think it’s okay to screw 12-year-olds in Thailand just because it’s legal? I would say it’s immoral/wrong regardless of the laws.)
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October 29th, 2018 at 8:23:33 AM permalink
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Hey, ZK. SOOPOO's ex is a great woman, very accomplished in her own right, and they are still close friends and both close to their sons. All 4 of them have become friends of mine the last few years. So you can keep your narrow, shallow, incorrect generalizations of other members to yourself. Don't be attacking other people's families.



Thanks BBB. Last night we all had a faux Thanksgiving dinner together. Susan is on her way to a Poker Grinder type trip to Asia (minus the casinos). Fiancee and I are on our way to Key West. That fake paper money goes a long way.....
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October 29th, 2018 at 12:12:46 PM permalink
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October 29th, 2018 at 1:09:43 PM permalink
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Thanks BBB. Last night we all had a faux Thanksgiving dinner together. Susan is on her way to a Poker Grinder type trip to Asia (minus the casinos). Fiancee and I are on our way to Key West. That fake paper money goes a long way.....



Just back from KW for Fantasy Fest, using that same cheap paper. It actually worked down there but then again Florida may not still be part of America after next Tuesday if they fall for the Andrew (Just give me 1 Billion) Gillum scam. I can’t see Florida actually electing this lunatic, but never underestimate the power of those willing to vote for someone looking to punish success. The politics of jealousy can be strong at times.

Check out Lucy’s Retired Surfer Bar on Duval, took over the old Senor Frogs, just opened mid October. Great staff, drinks and food. And KW now has a Wet Willies if you like Frozen drinks.

Have fun!
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October 29th, 2018 at 1:39:04 PM permalink
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Hi Prozema,
PM me the name of the casino and I'll sort it for you. I'll charge you $1000 for each added 10 value card ( upto 10 per shoe ) and will arrange for the requisite number of 4's or 5's to be removed. It will take a few days before I can get the adjusted decks rigged and shipped into play, so I suggest you put me on a $100 per day retainer. You'll know when the rigged shoes are in play because I'll send you some special specs with which to read the words 'These cards are not rigged' on the backs of the cards in invisible ink. Sneaky trick - The rigged shoes will be the ones without the invisible mark.

Of course, this will have to be handled with the utmost secrecy, especially hidden from ZenKing, who, fortunately has me blocked.

Offer equally open to other selected members
Would I lie to you
$;o)



Yeah I believe we have something in common there. It would be fun to see who has been blocked by the most people. Might be eye opening to some of us
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October 29th, 2018 at 1:44:31 PM permalink
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Quote: OnceDear

Hi Prozema,
PM me the name of the casino and I'll sort it for you. I'll charge you $1000 for each added 10 value card ( upto 10 per shoe ) and will arrange for the requisite number of 4's or 5's to be removed. It will take a few days before I can get the adjusted decks rigged and shipped into play, so I suggest you put me on a $100 per day retainer. You'll know when the rigged shoes are in play because I'll send you some special specs with which to read the words 'These cards are not rigged' on the backs of the cards in invisible ink. Sneaky trick - The rigged shoes will be the ones without the invisible mark.

Of course, this will have to be handled with the utmost secrecy, especially hidden from ZenKing, who, fortunately has me blocked.

Offer equally open to other selected members
Would I lie to you
$;o)



Yeah I believe we have something in common there. It would be fun to see who has been blocked by the most people. Might be eye opening to some of us


I believe you can try to send a message to someone and if they have you blocked, it’ll say they don’t accept PMs. Correct me if I’m wrong though. However, some people might just have PMs turned off for everyone. Also, this method wouldn’t allow you to see if some other person has someone else blocked, but only if someone has blocked you.
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October 29th, 2018 at 2:00:00 PM permalink
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..., but you showed your sheepish brain which is so common in society.



Personal insult. This is the 7th suspension since May 20, so let's go with 14 days.

ZK, I hope you don't take the suspension personally. Just doing my job, and I think I'm being lenient given your many priors.

If you're ever in Summerlin, let me know.
Last edited by: Wizard on Oct 29, 2018
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October 29th, 2018 at 2:19:15 PM permalink
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Quote: OnceDear

Hi Prozema,
PM me the name of the casino and I'll sort it for you. I'll charge you $1000 for each added 10 value card ( upto 10 per shoe ) and will arrange for the requisite number of 4's or 5's to be removed. It will take a few days before I can get the adjusted decks rigged and shipped into play, so I suggest you put me on a $100 per day retainer. You'll know when the rigged shoes are in play because I'll send you some special specs with which to read the words 'These cards are not rigged' on the backs of the cards in invisible ink. Sneaky trick - The rigged shoes will be the ones without the invisible mark.

Of course, this will have to be handled with the utmost secrecy, especially hidden from ZenKing, who, fortunately has me blocked.

Offer equally open to other selected members
Would I lie to you
$;o)



Yeah I believe we have something in common there. It would be fun to see who has been blocked by the most people. Might be eye opening to some of us



I would bet quite a few people have me blocked lol.
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October 29th, 2018 at 2:24:14 PM permalink
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Quote: OnceDear

Hi Prozema,
PM me the name of the casino and I'll sort it for you. I'll charge you $1000 for each added 10 value card ( upto 10 per shoe ) and will arrange for the requisite number of 4's or 5's to be removed. It will take a few days before I can get the adjusted decks rigged and shipped into play, so I suggest you put me on a $100 per day retainer. You'll know when the rigged shoes are in play because I'll send you some special specs with which to read the words 'These cards are not rigged' on the backs of the cards in invisible ink. Sneaky trick - The rigged shoes will be the ones without the invisible mark.

Of course, this will have to be handled with the utmost secrecy, especially hidden from ZenKing, who, fortunately has me blocked.

Offer equally open to other selected members
Would I lie to you
$;o)



Yeah I believe we have something in common there. It would be fun to see who has been blocked by the most people. Might be eye opening to some of us



I would bet quite a few people have me blocked lol.



Oh, did you say something?
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October 29th, 2018 at 3:14:17 PM permalink
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Quote: OnceDear

Hi Prozema,
PM me the name of the casino and I'll sort it for you. I'll charge you $1000 for each added 10 value card ( upto 10 per shoe ) and will arrange for the requisite number of 4's or 5's to be removed. It will take a few days before I can get the adjusted decks rigged and shipped into play, so I suggest you put me on a $100 per day retainer. You'll know when the rigged shoes are in play because I'll send you some special specs with which to read the words 'These cards are not rigged' on the backs of the cards in invisible ink. Sneaky trick - The rigged shoes will be the ones without the invisible mark.

Of course, this will have to be handled with the utmost secrecy, especially hidden from ZenKing, who, fortunately has me blocked.

Offer equally open to other selected members
Would I lie to you
$;o)



Yeah I believe we have something in common there. It would be fun to see who has been blocked by the most people. Might be eye opening to some of us



I would bet quite a few people have me blocked lol.



Thats how I feel because sometimes I comment in a thread and in my mind it was a good comment that may create some back and forth and it gets nothing. At least I know you, RS, babs, wizard, and od don't have me blocked since they repsonded to me in this thread. YAY
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October 29th, 2018 at 3:42:48 PM permalink
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Quote: PokerGrinder

Quote: GWAE

Quote: OnceDear

Hi Prozema,
PM me the name of the casino and I'll sort it for you. I'll charge you $1000 for each added 10 value card ( upto 10 per shoe ) and will arrange for the requisite number of 4's or 5's to be removed. It will take a few days before I can get the adjusted decks rigged and shipped into play, so I suggest you put me on a $100 per day retainer. You'll know when the rigged shoes are in play because I'll send you some special specs with which to read the words 'These cards are not rigged' on the backs of the cards in invisible ink. Sneaky trick - The rigged shoes will be the ones without the invisible mark.

Of course, this will have to be handled with the utmost secrecy, especially hidden from ZenKing, who, fortunately has me blocked.

Offer equally open to other selected members
Would I lie to you
$;o)



Yeah I believe we have something in common there. It would be fun to see who has been blocked by the most people. Might be eye opening to some of us



I would bet quite a few people have me blocked lol.



Thats how I feel because sometimes I comment in a thread and in my mind it was a good comment that may create some back and forth and it gets nothing. At least I know you, RS, babs, wizard, and od don't have me blocked since they repsonded to me in this thread. YAY


Happens all the time.

I don’t have the time to write out as many in depth thought out posts as I’d like. But it does burn a little when you take the time and no one seems to notice. This is one of mine that sticks out:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/29529-randomness/4/#post608244
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October 29th, 2018 at 3:47:33 PM permalink
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Quote: GWAE

Quote: PokerGrinder

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Quote: OnceDear

Hi Prozema,
PM me the name of the casino and I'll sort it for you. I'll charge you $1000 for each added 10 value card ( upto 10 per shoe ) and will arrange for the requisite number of 4's or 5's to be removed. It will take a few days before I can get the adjusted decks rigged and shipped into play, so I suggest you put me on a $100 per day retainer. You'll know when the rigged shoes are in play because I'll send you some special specs with which to read the words 'These cards are not rigged' on the backs of the cards in invisible ink. Sneaky trick - The rigged shoes will be the ones without the invisible mark.

Of course, this will have to be handled with the utmost secrecy, especially hidden from ZenKing, who, fortunately has me blocked.

Offer equally open to other selected members
Would I lie to you
$;o)



Yeah I believe we have something in common there. It would be fun to see who has been blocked by the most people. Might be eye opening to some of us



I would bet quite a few people have me blocked lol.



Thats how I feel because sometimes I comment in a thread and in my mind it was a good comment that may create some back and forth and it gets nothing. At least I know you, RS, babs, wizard, and od don't have me blocked since they repsonded to me in this thread. YAY


Happens all the time.

I don’t have the time to write out as many in depth thought out posts as I’d like. But it does burn a little when you take the time and no one seems to notice. This is one of mine that sticks out:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/29529-randomness/4/#post608244


I remember reading that post. Good stuff. Thought I responded to it back then. Sorry. :(

Didn’t know you’d be this salty about it over a year later. ;-)


I’m still mad that Wizard hasn’t fixed his strategy chart for optimal play 9/6 JOB. :(
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October 29th, 2018 at 3:54:39 PM permalink
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I don’t have the time to write out as many in depth thought out posts as I’d like. But it does burn a little when you take the time and no one seems to notice. This is one of mine that sticks out: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/29529-randomness/4/#post608244



I learned a long time ago that when I spend a good hour on a post, nobody replies. Not just here, but every forum. If it is of any consolation, a well-written, detailed and factually-based post may leave the audience so impressed that they can't think of any good cross-talk. In such cases, I think it is good manners to at least thank the poster for an outstanding post.

In an old forum I used to participate in I would sometimes spend over an hour on a post about the fine points of the Social Security laws and trust funds and not get a single peep. However, rant and rave about the conspiracy theory of the day and you'd be the center of attention.
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October 29th, 2018 at 3:57:48 PM permalink
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I don’t have the time to write out as many in depth thought out posts as I’d like. But it does burn a little when you take the time and no one seems to notice. This is one of mine that sticks out:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/29529-randomness/4/#post608244


Good post. Yes, pseudorandom isn't random. If you know the seed and algorithm, you can know the result of every round in advance.

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I learned a long time ago that when I spend a good hour on a post, nobody replies. Not just here, but every forum. If it is of any consolation, a well-written, detailed and factually-based post may leave the audience so impressed that they can't think of any good cross-talk. In such cases, I think it is good manners to at least thank the poster for an outstanding post.


It happens. It's possible that nobody is interested in the post, so nobody is motivated to reply or thank or give a rep.
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October 29th, 2018 at 4:29:24 PM permalink
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Personal insult. This is the 7th suspension since May 20, so let's go with 14 days.

ZK, I hope you don't take the suspension personally. Just doing my job, and I think I'm being lenient given your many priors.

If you're ever in Summerlin, let me know.



2 Thoughts, both probably worthless.

First I was trained many years ago to never send a mixed message when providing disciplinary actions. The subject needs to understand their is a consequence to their actions and it is up to them to correct the behavior, not you. While that was for an employment situation, it might have value here. Because after all, they have some similarities in that they (we) can choose to leave at anytime, and you always have to option to terminate our time here. The way you worded it showed weakness. Like a boss asking an employee to meet for a beer after documenting them for unacceptable behavior. Shows a total lack of respect for the offended party, even if they were not offended. The old Wizard would have said my house, my rules, if you don’t like it, don’t let the door.......Just my biased against ZK showing probably.

2nd, it’s nice to know I no longer hold the record for most suspensions on here....at this point in time.
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October 29th, 2018 at 4:58:48 PM permalink
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The way you worded it showed weakness. Like a boss asking an employee to meet for a beer after documenting them for unacceptable behavior. Shows a total lack of respect for the offended party, even if they were not offended.


I disagree. Reprimanding your subordinate doesn't prevent amiable work or personal relationship after that. It would be very infantile to refuse to socialize with your colleagues who were reprimanded. If the offended party feels that that is lack of respect, he must be a very selfish or obnoxious person.
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October 29th, 2018 at 5:22:23 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I learned a long time ago that when I spend a good hour on a post, nobody replies. Not just here, but every forum. If it is of any consolation, a well-written, detailed and factually-based post may leave the audience so impressed that they can't think of any good cross-talk. In such cases, I think it is good manners to at least thank the poster for an outstanding post.



I agree. Most of my posts that dig into things in detail on various forums get a similar response because I do tend to cover most of the bases. Either little response, or a few thank yous, which I do appreciate.

I also make an explicit effort to point out that I read a person's Trip Report on the other forums I post at and compliment them on it. They can take a lot of effort to write and seeing very few responses afterward is discouraging.
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October 29th, 2018 at 5:33:46 PM permalink
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I disagree. Reprimanding your subordinate doesn't prevent amiable work or personal relationship after that. It would be very infantile to refuse to socialize with your colleagues who were reprimanded. If the offended party feels that that is lack of respect, he must be a very selfish or obnoxious person.



I actually think we are on the same page. But I am talking about the actual disciplinary session. It should be clear and concise.Of course the goal is to change the behavior long term. And holding a grudge hurts that potential, but the subject should leave the session knowing what he did wrong and there are actions for continuing the behavior.

Treating the person as if nothing happened is the correct way moving forward, allowing them to understand you don’t hold a bias. And if you have to revisit the situation based on their actions, it was on them.

But again, this is what I learned to use in a business supervisory position. May or may not be useful here. In fact, with ZK, it’s probably a total waste of time. He laughs at you, me, the Wizard and the world. For we are all just pawns in his world. He owns Aria and Las Vegas, we surely are not on that level.
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October 29th, 2018 at 6:56:51 PM permalink
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Personal insult. This is the 7th suspension since May 20, so let's go with 14 days.

ZK, I hope you don't take the suspension personally. Just doing my job, and I think I'm being lenient given your many priors.

If you're ever in Summerlin, let me know.



What’s with this kinder , gentler Wizard.

Lay the hammer down with some authority when you have a 7 time offender.
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October 29th, 2018 at 8:58:21 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Personal insult. This is the 7th suspension since May 20, so let's go with 14 days.

ZK, I hope you don't take the suspension personally. Just doing my job, and I think I'm being lenient given your many priors.

If you're ever in Summerlin, let me know.

I know damn well you did not read this thread and find that little gem yourself.

Can you tell us what little b*tch narked?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 29th, 2018 at 9:02:43 PM permalink
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First I was trained many years ago to never send a mixed message when providing disciplinary actions...



Point well taken.
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