racquet
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September 14th, 2018 at 9:39:18 AM permalink
My limited experience with these games is that they are closely monitored, and if you are lucky enough to play one-on-one or with just one other player, even moreso, since it usually means there is not a lot of activity in the pit, drawing even more attention from floors with nothing else to do.

The one-deck games I have seen are often cut off on the number of players at the table, not based on actual penetration. 4 players = 2 rounds.

Arrival of the relief dealer triggers a shuffle.

Shuffling, shuffling, shuffling. Two three or four rounds. Shuffle. Repeat.

Every color-up or buy-in, of any amount, calls for a floor to come over to verify that even a $50 buy-in has been done correctly. Tick. Tock.

The burn card is never exposed. How is that accounted for? I always start off at minus 1. Should you ignore it?

Granted, a good running count is a great opportunity, but betting $5 on the first round and then $25 on the second because the true count is 2.5 sets off a "checks play" announcement, and then they're ALL watching. They don't need to run back any video, all they need to do is wait for one or two more rounds, followed by a shuffle, and then we can all count the cards together on a fresh shoe.

I just don't see it as a high-throughput opportunity, even with the supposed lower house edge.

Give me a low-limit 6-deck game with an ASM with decent rules and maybe two other sober players who know how to play, with a decent dealer who can keep up, and I think it's a better opportunity.

What am I missing?
ThatDonGuy
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September 14th, 2018 at 5:33:54 PM permalink
You? Probably nothing.

Joe and Jane Pool-And-Clubber Who Think They Have A Counting System That Can Win? Different story.
TomG
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September 14th, 2018 at 8:33:13 PM permalink
Quote: racquet

Granted, a good running count is a great opportunity, but betting $5 on the first round and then $25 on the second because the true count is 2.5 sets off a "checks play" announcement, and then they're ALL watching.



Not usually at the big Las Vegas casinos. A $5 to $50 jump is usually ok, then jump to $100 and get "checks play," but half the time that just means the pit boss is going to make sure I get better offers to come back again. Someone might figure out I just spread 40-1 on a positive count, but by that time I'm gone and won't play again there for a few weeks. El Cortez will call security, everywhere else understands that it's a half-billion dollar property that just lost $15 in value and not give a shit.

Quote: racquet

I just don't see it as a high-throughput opportunity, even with the supposed lower house edge.



I see it as a low-throughput opportunity that has a much higher rate of return, even if much lower total return. Perfect for a 60- to 90-minute per week income opportunity.
BlackjackGuy123
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September 16th, 2018 at 12:39:41 PM permalink
"The burn card is never exposed. How is that accounted for? I always start off at minus 1. Should you ignore it?"

Don't do that.
Kellynbnf
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September 17th, 2018 at 12:09:12 PM permalink
A burn card is treated like any other unseen card - just pretend there is one more card than there actually is to be dealt.
klimate10
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September 17th, 2018 at 12:23:44 PM permalink
As someone who used to be an AP, I agree that the double decks bring way too much heat. But then again, with enough spread, even the six decks bring heat.

And then it takes about 15-30 min going from casino to casino. 15-30 min of not earning anything.

But it doesnít matter if the other players know how to play. As long as they play fast, they can do whatever.
billryan
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September 17th, 2018 at 12:28:00 PM permalink
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...And then it takes about 15-30 min going from casino to casino. 15-30 min of not earning anything.

But it doesnít matter if the other players know how to play. As long as they play fast, they can do whatever.



Many low rollers make up that time by not showering or changing their clothes daily.
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September 17th, 2018 at 1:56:06 PM permalink
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Quote: billryan

And then it takes about 15-30 min going from casino to casino. 15-30 min of not earning anything.

But it doesnít matter if the other players know how to play. As long as they play fast, they can do whatever.



Many low rollers make up that time by not showering or changing their clothes daily.



It's that extra bag charge for even an overhead bag these days. I know someone who just bought cheap undies and shirts where he'd traveled and threw them away. Easy to beat $50 rt for anything bigger than a briefcase at Walmart.

Stupid effing policy.
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