racquet
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July 26th, 2018 at 3:45:04 PM permalink
My turn to veer off topic.

I've never seen the inside of an ASM, but I always assumed it was effectively a random, "analog" event where the deck was randomly mixed up with no awareness on the part of the machine as to what the cards were that were put into the thing. Put in a deck of 312 cards and beyond knowing that there are the proper NUMBER of cards, so that cards don't get LEFT OUT, and you got back cards in an order that was as random as if you shuffled them by hand. I assumed that if you left the cards in there for an hour you'd get sixty minutes worth of shuffling, until you pressed the button.

So now you're telling me that there's a CHIP in the thing that can determine what the cards are? Shelves? Some kind of, even rudimentary "intelligence?"

Why? To verify that there are the proper number of sevens, or clubs, in the deck? To keep an inventory so that you know not only that there are 312 cards, but that they are the right 312 cards?

That's a hack waiting to happen! Sooner or later that mythical 400-pound kid living in his mother's basement (IN NEW JERSEY!) is going to take over all the ASMs and make them deal the cards however he wants.

OK, the manufacturer, or someone at the starting end of the supply chain, couldn't pull it off - too many opportunities for the scam to be found out from the factory floor all the way to the dealer at the table. So it's not a grand conspiracy.

But I've pulled a soldered-in microchip off of a motherboard in order to replace it with one sent to me by the guy who built my computer. And that guy burnt the replacement in HIS basement.

If there's a chip in the box, someone wrote the code that's in it. Someone else can write DIFFERENT code that sorts the 10-value cards, and ONLY the 10-value cards (NOT the aces) into clumps.
dogqck
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July 26th, 2018 at 5:04:10 PM permalink
No need to do that. I hear that in my favorite casino there is a foot switch that the dealer can hit whenever he needs a 5.
cwazy
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July 26th, 2018 at 5:25:25 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

My thoughts ....

https://youtu.be/04Qe-QWsjzY



I could be wrong, but your mention of casinos in other jurisdictions possibly wanting to do this got me thinking. It would be insane for a regulated Nevada casino to knowingly modify the software to do this, assuming that particular model is even technically capable of it.

But arenít most of these shufflers leased? What if this machine was previously leased by a cheating casino in Russia, for example, before it made its way to Vegas? If Shufflemaster just cleaned up the machine after a foreign casino returned it, didnít check the software, and then put it back out in the field, this story would be somewhat plausible IMO.

Iím highly skeptical that this is actually happening, but if it is, the above explanation is probably somewhere in the ballpark of how it came to be.
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July 26th, 2018 at 5:41:01 PM permalink
Quote: cwazy

I could be wrong, but your mention of casinos in other jurisdictions possibly wanting to do this got me thinking. It would be insane for a regulated Nevada casino to knowingly modify the software to do this, assuming that particular model is even technically capable of it.

But arenít most of these shufflers leased? What if this machine was previously leased by a cheating casino in Russia, for example, before it made its way to Vegas? If Shufflemaster just cleaned up the machine after a foreign casino returned it, didnít check the software, and then put it back out in the field, this story would be somewhat plausible IMO.

Iím highly skeptical that this is actually happening, but if it is, the above explanation is probably somewhere in the ballpark of how it came to be.



When US Casinos lease these machines, they are generally brand new. They are used for virtually the entire operable life of the machines, or until they are made obsolete by Shuffle Master when they release their next model and stop providing parts and service for the older model.

If anything, returned units are the ones that would make their way overseas, not the other way around. If I lease a Shuffle Master machine, I expect it to be new.
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July 26th, 2018 at 5:51:21 PM permalink
I'm not going to divulge here who is marking theeses claims, HOWEVER, I think it's very important to know who's making the claims and then determine if it's worth investigating.


The Person claiming this..do they have reliable data?

Has anyone since been to EC to confirm this allegation? NVM, they seen this and other threads and changed it.

Either way, big mistake bringing it up publicly

Either it's vulnerable and you just fked yourself and others, or you are crazy. Or it was real not AP'able, but you could have caught them in the act and exposed them. WHY POST UP ABOUT IT???

Oh ya, save the poppies.

Have 100% proof before you say anything.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 26th, 2018 at 8:03:07 PM permalink
Quote: cwazy

I could be wrong, but your mention of casinos in other jurisdictions possibly wanting to do this got me thinking. It would be insane for a regulated Nevada casino to knowingly modify the software to do this, assuming that particular model is even technically capable of it.

But arenít most of these shufflers leased? What if this machine was previously leased by a cheating casino in Russia, for example, before it made its way to Vegas? If Shufflemaster just cleaned up the machine after a foreign casino returned it, didnít check the software, and then put it back out in the field, this story would be somewhat plausible IMO.

Iím highly skeptical that this is actually happening, but if it is, the above explanation is probably somewhere in the ballpark of how it came to be.



There is a handheld device that checks the chip at the factory, GLI and Casino. That's how everyone knows they are getting an un'tampered with and newest version machine. I forget what the device was called, but I saw my Compliance guy do it at my last casino.


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July 27th, 2018 at 1:58:07 AM permalink
When the dealer is hand-shuffling 6 decks and deals herself 5 Black Jacks at the top of the shoe to a full table, I'm inclined to believe the dealer is a magician or a mechanic.
FCBLComish
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July 27th, 2018 at 3:41:28 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

There is a handheld device that checks the chip at the factory, GLI and Casino. That's how everyone knows they are getting an un'tampered with and newest version machine. I forget what the device was called, but I saw my Compliance guy do it at my last casino.


ZCore13



I believe you mean the Kobetron
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Zcore13
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July 27th, 2018 at 3:56:11 PM permalink
Quote: FCBLComish

I believe you mean the Kobetron



Yup, that's it.


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KingoftheEye
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July 31st, 2018 at 9:21:43 AM permalink
I've seen the inside of a shuffle machine multiple times. It is not possible to rig any ASM for BJ that I've seen, simply because the machine doesn't have the capability to read the value of the cards as they are input into it. The casinos aren't out to get you, we already have the advantage. But if it makes you feel better, then wear a tinfoil hat while you are playing. That way the mind control devices we have installed won't make you hit when you really wanted to stand. How do you know those are really cameras in those black domes???

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