Wino
Wino
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December 6th, 2017 at 11:25:16 PM permalink
When the four suits began to swarm around me should i have walked out of the store to have a chance that the hammer doesn’t come down on me and stay away for 6 months? Or is it just inevitable that once I show up in future, the hammer will come down anyway. Your experiences? They told me surveillance have been watching me for quite a while now. I can still play Carney games if you know what I mean as far as I know. After taking a long break from that store that is... I told them I didn’t have ID on me and so they asked me to cash out and leave which I did.
Wanda Wilcox: “I can’t stand people. I hate them.” Chinaski: “Oh, yeah?” Wanda: “You hate them?” Chinaski: “No, but I seem to feel better when they’re not around.” Barfly, starring Mickey Rourke
RS
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December 6th, 2017 at 11:30:48 PM permalink
I don't know what you're saying. Did they say you can play carney games or is that an assumption on your behalf that they'd be okay with you playing carney games?

IMO, best thing to do is avoid getting backed off, so if you see 'em coming, just leave. Them backing you off is "an experience" they're more likely to remember. Then just wait 6 months or whatever and return, preferably on a different shift and not being super aggressive.
ZenKinG
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December 6th, 2017 at 11:33:28 PM permalink
In my opinion, it's always best to get out before a tap even if you were likely made already. Leaving before a tap prevents you from being flyered, etc and it gives you much more leeway whem you come back on a different shift. Would you rather be given the tap and return on a different shift the next day or be given the tap and returning the next day likewise on a diff shift? The latter will cause much more heat.

Of course, do NOT return to the same shift regardless if you were given the tap or not. Like you said, you've likely been made and you will be shown the door the next time in.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
Wino
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December 6th, 2017 at 11:34:02 PM permalink
My question is should i have scooped up my chips and walked straight to exit before they could give me the tap? Is that better? Yes or No? (This is response to RS). Thanks Zenking for your input.
Wanda Wilcox: “I can’t stand people. I hate them.” Chinaski: “Oh, yeah?” Wanda: “You hate them?” Chinaski: “No, but I seem to feel better when they’re not around.” Barfly, starring Mickey Rourke
ZenKinG
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December 6th, 2017 at 11:35:45 PM permalink
Quote: Wino

My question is should i have scooped up my chips and walked straight to exit before they could give me the tap? Is that better? Yes or No?



Yes, never cash out, especially after heat
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
Wino
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December 6th, 2017 at 11:43:08 PM permalink
RS, they only said no BJ shoe games but allowed to play other games. And flat bet on double-deck were his words. I asked can i play 6 deck, he said only CSM.
Wanda Wilcox: “I can’t stand people. I hate them.” Chinaski: “Oh, yeah?” Wanda: “You hate them?” Chinaski: “No, but I seem to feel better when they’re not around.” Barfly, starring Mickey Rourke
RS
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December 6th, 2017 at 11:56:47 PM permalink
If/when you do get backed off, IMO, best thing to do is basically just say, "Okay", be polite, grab your chips and head for the exit. Don't cash out at the cage.

Don't ask if you can play this or that, why you can't play, etc. etc. You want to be as least memorable as possible.
FleaStiff
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December 7th, 2017 at 3:08:39 AM permalink
Never ask a question that a suit can respond "No" to.
Agreed: Don't cash chips, don't finish drink... leave.

As to "shift" remember that suits are often on a one-hour stagger. So if the dealers show up at X-hour the suits are there one hour earlier and the new suits will arrive one hour before the next shift of dealers arrive.
Wino
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December 7th, 2017 at 6:56:37 AM permalink
Quote: RS

If/when you do get backed off, IMO, best thing to do is basically just say, "Okay", be polite, grab your chips and head for the exit. Don't cash out at the cage.

Don't ask if you can play this or that, why you can't play, etc. etc. You want to be as least memorable as possible.



Thank you for this advice. I messed up from inexperience in that respect. Asking stupid questions of ....”Can I ....this and that”. Damn it.
Wanda Wilcox: “I can’t stand people. I hate them.” Chinaski: “Oh, yeah?” Wanda: “You hate them?” Chinaski: “No, but I seem to feel better when they’re not around.” Barfly, starring Mickey Rourke

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