fearlessdragon
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October 30th, 2017 at 11:42:15 AM permalink
I recently started learning about card counting. Currently practjsing hi/lo and studying deviations for 6 and double deck. Almost all the online forums, say that they used some kind of software to assist them in the drills and all the BJ math. Currently, I can't find any free software do all of these. Most of the people recommend CV software. I went to that site and see 2 different products, CVBJ and CVCX, one for drills and other for math, I think. Can anyone please advice me that do I need buy both of these softwares to hone my BJ skills or just one would suffice or any free software to do this? I really appreciate all of your time.
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October 30th, 2017 at 12:31:07 PM permalink
Definitely buy both. Start with CVBJ. Plug in the rules, number of decks and the count you wish to use and it give you your basic strategy and however many deviations you wish to use. This is a great practice resource as it will let you know when you make a mistake.

CVCX will allow you to determine your optimal bet spread based on your bankroll and the risk you are willing to accept. Both are outstanding but you will need Windows to run them.
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October 30th, 2017 at 2:32:13 PM permalink
For what it's worth, I recommend buying both.

Also for what it's worth, I've never purchased a software program.

Lastly, for what it's worth, I've rarely ever done my "training" on any computers. Nothing will substitute for getting 6 decks, hand shuffling, and playing out 6 hands at a time (where only your 1 hand is your hand counting and changing your bet, etc, etc). Physical cards, in my opinion, are the best and most proficient way of training for counting. For deviations, I'd recommend flash cards.
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October 30th, 2017 at 3:44:10 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Nothing will substitute for getting 6 decks, hand shuffling, and playing out 6 hands at a time (where only your 1 hand is your hand counting and changing your bet, etc, etc). Physical cards, in my opinion, are the best and most proficient way of training for counting.


It's also more fun IMO.
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October 30th, 2017 at 4:18:56 PM permalink
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October 30th, 2017 at 8:23:24 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

For what it's worth, I recommend buying both.

Also for what it's worth, I've never purchased a software program.

Lastly, for what it's worth, I've rarely ever done my "training" on any computers. Nothing will substitute for getting 6 decks, hand shuffling, and playing out 6 hands at a time (where only your 1 hand is your hand counting and changing your bet, etc, etc). Physical cards, in my opinion, are the best and most proficient way of training for counting. For deviations, I'd recommend flash cards.



This is what I do--although admittedly I haven't practiced in a while. I do have flashcards for the I18.

This biggest drawback for me using handheld cards (6 decks) is that it moves much more slowly than in a real game, but I suppose that once I get more proficient at counting I'll be able to count much more quickly.

But perhaps another benefit(?) to using actual cards: it has helped my mental state when I play for real. For example, I know that I shuffled the cards well, and yet playing at home I am amazed at how often the "dealer" never seems to bust or why I still get a bunch of 13s-16s v. the dealer 19s & 20s--even when the count is high. So when I play for real at the local casino, and the dealer gets 4-5 BJs in a single shoe, I find it easier to take it all in stride, knowing that this is part of the game and happens even when I shuffle the cards.
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October 31st, 2017 at 12:23:04 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

For what it's worth, I recommend buying both.

Also for what it's worth, I've never purchased a software program.

Lastly, for what it's worth, I've rarely ever done my "training" on any computers. Nothing will substitute for getting 6 decks, hand shuffling, and playing out 6 hands at a time (where only your 1 hand is your hand counting and changing your bet, etc, etc). Physical cards, in my opinion, are the best and most proficient way of training for counting. For deviations, I'd recommend flash cards.



Completely opposite to the way I started, but to each their own. I never used flash cards for indices, which many seem to recommend including yourself, I instead just memorized the chart, but everyone of course learns differently and has different skill sets. I also never trained with physical cards, well other than when I first got started, did I use actual cards, but it was only to flip each card from the deck and keep a running count to see if I ended on 0. Other than that I never used cards to train. Maybe if the OP is a pitch game player would I recommend to actually train with the cards in your hands and deal out hands to yourself. If you're a shoe game player, it doesn't get much better than Casino Verite since the setting format is exactly what you will face inside the casino with the added benefit that in shoe games you never will have to touch the cards, so it doesn't matter that you dont train hands-on.
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