Local Casino BJ Variation
- 6 Decks
- Dealer takes no hole card just one up card
- Unlimited splitting, Aces get one card each
- Double any two cards
- No Surrender.
- 3:2 BJ payout
There's another special payout that we have (again, I don't know about other places) that if you have a 14 with a pair of 7's, hit and get a third 7, you are paid 1:1 on your bet, and the original bet is kept on to still go against the dealer, possibly winning twice in one hand.
The other thing about our tables here is that we have a 'piggyback' system, where you can bet behind another spot on the table (up to 2 extra players on any one play area), where the piggybackers have no say in the matter of choosing hit/stand, but can follow along on doubles and splits if they choose.
All the tables in the casino are this way, there are $10 tables during the day (which turn into $15 minimum at 7PM), $15 minimum, and then a single table of $25 and a single table of $50 minimums.
My simple questions are this: Are these good tables for a player to play on? I've been wanting to travel down to Vegas just to say I've been there and gambled there, but if the going is good here with what I have, I might choose to just stay here and play on these.
Any advice and math on this table setup would be greatly appreciated.
I'm pretty sure the BJ guys are going to want to know what happens to a double/split hand when the dealer gets their second card and it makes a bj. Do you lose all your money, or just your original bet?
And, if I piggyback someone and they choose to split a hand and I don’t , is my bet automatically applied only to the first hand played post split ?
Quote: michael99000Wondering if the 7 7 7 rule changes the basic strategy for when you split 7s.
And, if I piggyback someone and they choose to split a hand and I don’t , is my bet automatically applied only to the first hand played post split ?
Fwiw, they do this extensively in London, and the piggyback does stay with the first hand only.
You're not giving us enough information about your game. Your game is European No Hole Card (ENHC) where the dealer initially only takes 1 card. When playing ENHC there is a very important rule that changes the game a bit. Say you get 11 against a dealer 10 and you double down. If the dealer draws an ace for Blackjack, do you lose only your original wager, or do you also lose the double down wager?
Next, you didn't tell us if the game is H17 or S17. When the dealer has A-6, do they hit or stand? This is another fairly big rule change to the game.
I also find it odd that you're playing an ENHC game with no surrender options. Normally these games allow some form of surrender (I think) such as late surrender or even early surrender to a 10, with the best rule being full early surrender to an Ace.
As someone else pointed out the Penetration (where they place the cut card) is rather important for card counters. I'm not sure if you're claiming to be, or training to be, but this is something that everyone will want to know when you ask about a game. Say they cut off 2 decks out of the 6, then that game has 4/6 = 66% Penetration (pretty poor). Any decent game will have 75% PEN or higher.
With what you've mentioned... Assuming H17 and you lose both bets on a double down to dealer blackjack, the HE = .75%.
Now, if this is a S17 game, and you only lose your original wager on dealer BJ, then the HE = .43%.
Quite the difference between the two, especially if you're counting cards. If you're counting and you have .75% HE you need to wait until TC +2 to raise your bet. However if it's the .43% HE then you could up your bet at TC +1. Lots to consider.
Yes, there would be some small special cases, and perhaps a few more if you're counting, but the 1-1 payout is really weak for the 777 (typically it's 2-1, worth .03%, or even 3-1, worth .05%). Though, 7-7-7 paying 1-1 automatically and still riding for the other bet is not worth very much to the player... Maybe about .015%.Quote: michael99000Wondering if the 7 7 7 rule changes the basic strategy for when you split 7s...
I am very sorry that I missed so much information that you guys needed to know! My apologies. I could make excuses as to why I missed all these extra things, but I am going to just flat out say that I totally spaced on them like the idiot I am.
beachumbabs brought up the question about doubling/splitting and the dealer makes a blackjack: Our casino takes everything, all split money and double money.
Now, getting back to the rest of the extras that Romes brought up:
It's a stand soft 17 table, and when I first started playing at this table, I asked them about surrender and it was something that they didn't offer, which I didn't like.
For penetration, it depends on the dealer. I have seen some dealers only cut ~1 deck out, some go as deep as 2, but the average I remember seeing is anywhere from a deck and a half and under.
And just for another little tidbit about me: I've been a recreational player of blackjack since I turned the legal age to play, and back when I first started out we had a $5 minimum table at the casino that was always filled to the gills. Literally the first day playing blackjack in a casino environment, I was pushed into the 7 seat and was 'taught' how to play the anchor position, if that makes any sense or if it's a good idea. It's what I was taught.
BlackjackGuy123 was wondering where this game was: This is played in Saskatchewan, Canada, more importantly at two different casinos run the by provincial government in Regina and Moose Jaw. There are other versions played at the SIGA (Indian Gaming) Casinos, but I haven't been there in an age, and I would have to actually travel to one to remember their rules as well.
Quote: hpkazzHi Romes and everyone who replied.
I am very sorry that I missed so much information that you guys needed to know! My apologies. I could make excuses as to why I missed all these extra things, but I am going to just flat out say that I totally spaced on them like the idiot I am.
beachumbabs brought up the question about doubling/splitting and the dealer makes a blackjack: Our casino takes everything, all split money and double money.
Now, getting back to the rest of the extras that Romes brought up:
It's a stand soft 17 table, and when I first started playing at this table, I asked them about surrender and it was something that they didn't offer, which I didn't like.
For penetration, it depends on the dealer. I have seen some dealers only cut ~1 deck out, some go as deep as 2, but the average I remember seeing is anywhere from a deck and a half and under.
And just for another little tidbit about me: I've been a recreational player of blackjack since I turned the legal age to play, and back when I first started out we had a $5 minimum table at the casino that was always filled to the gills. Literally the first day playing blackjack in a casino environment, I was pushed into the 7 seat and was 'taught' how to play the anchor position, if that makes any sense or if it's a good idea. It's what I was taught.
BlackjackGuy123 was wondering where this game was: This is played in Saskatchewan, Canada, more importantly at two different casinos run the by provincial government in Regina and Moose Jaw. There are other versions played at the SIGA (Indian Gaming) Casinos, but I haven't been there in an age, and I would have to actually travel to one to remember their rules as well.
What’s the differences between how you’d play at the anchor position vs playing at another seat ?
I guess you probably mean that they taught you how to endure verbal abuse when making a proper but commonly misplayed play
Quote: michael99000What’s the differences between how you’d play at the anchor position vs playing at another seat ?
I guess you probably mean that they taught you how to endure verbal abuse when making a proper but commonly misplayed play
Mostly. Where I am, they treat the people who play anchor a little differently than someone who plays in the earlier seats. If a person in the anchor seat makes a less than optimal play (aka dumb), but it takes a card away from the dealer that would put them in a better spot (taking a 3/4 away from a up 6 or 7), everyone is thankful and people who know how to make these bad plays consistently are regarded as good players.
There's no rhyme or reason to it, it's just an opportunity for someone to play bad in order to try and 'save' the table. I don't know how else to put it.
Casino Regina has one of the worst blackjack games in Canada. S17, DAS, DA2, ENHC and they routinely cut off more than two decks out of six. It is up there alongside Casino Halifax's ridiculous double deck game. The SIGA games are by comparison some of Canada's best games.
