While you're online, may as well download a copy of the Nevada gaming laws, too. You'll need those to straighten out any pit boss that gives you trouble.
Betting window is open now for business.
Quote: ZenKinG........ and it would be much easier flying with a bankroll and getting throigh TSA.
It would be easier and safer if you had TSA Pre Check, which allows you to avoid the lines and breeze through security with less hassle.
The cost is $85 for a five year membership.
We just returned from Vegas and saved lots of time and aggravation at both airports with Pre Check.
Quote: TankoIt would be easier and safer if you had TSA Pre Check, which allows you to avoid the lines and breeze through security with less hassle.
The cost is $85 for a five year membership.
We just returned from Vegas and saved lots of time and aggravation at both airports with Pre Check.
Yea I've heard that TSA pre-check is good for an AP.
I wish more people would post their stores of traveling cross country and not getting pulled over. This thread has made me overly paranoid and that my bankroll has a 99% chance of being stolen by cops before I get to Vegas
Yep, I was thinking the same thing. My big national bank has branches in little ol' podunk where I live, and also in Las Vegas.Quote: AussieWhy wouldn't you just deposit the money in a bank account and withdraw it when you get to Vegas? What am I missing here?
I've taken the 202 bus with a couple of grand in VP winnings to a branch to deposit it. (Not as often as I would like, but I have done it).
You beat me to it.Quote: RomesStill haven't learned anything about confrontations? If you do this, it would give them all the more reason to be dicks and to assume you have or are doing something illegal. A simple "Am I free to go?" over and over will suffice. As soon as they say you are, you simply say good day and put it in drive and leave.
Escalating the situation by showing you "know what you're talking about" rarely gets you anything in life, AP or not.
Yes, you're in the right. Yes, it would be an illegal seizure of your money. Yes, you could get it back... YES YOU WOULD LOSE YOUR BANKROLL FOR A YEAR OR TWO AND THEN LOSE 30%-40% OF IT IN LAWYER FEES TO GET IT BACK IF YOU DO PROVOKE THEM TO "ILLEGALLY" TAKE IT.
Shakes head*
I don't think he's ever going to learn, it's as if it's been bread into him. Or he's knows it will create some blowback and he says this crap on purpose.
How can he not read what he says and then think, that's kinda dumb?
Quote: ZenKinGI'll also have to do some food shopping, which I have never done in my life,
I still lean to the no on, "is this a real person?"
Quote: RShttps://youtu.be/lvnpyLYM33o
This is a damn gold mine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnSd-E3Hb3Y
Its amazing that people think I'm some kind of troll, I'm just stressing out on what to do and the best way to get to vegas. I'm not a huge fan of banks and rather have cash on hand to play although I do use both and deposit and withdraw from time to time. Everything I have said from my first post on this site has been legitimate. If you think I'm honestly wasting my time and life trolling blackjack forums, then idk what to say. Ironic that people crticize me for being paranoid and casinos out to get me, but then are paranoid themselves saying all I do is troll and if 'I'm a real person'? Just sick of it
Quote: ZenKinGYou know, I'm starting to get sick of all the sarcastic comments. My questions are sincere and all I want to know is peoples experience of cross country driving and if they got pulled over and were questioned about money etc in the car. This is my first ever road trip and all I'm asking is for advice.
Its amazing that people think I'm some kind of troll, I'm just stressing out on what to do and the best way to get to vegas. I'm not a huge fan of banks and rather have cash on hand to play although I do use both and deposit and withdraw from time to time. Everything I have said from my first post on this site has been legitimate. If you think I'm honestly wasting my time and life trolling blackjack forums, then idk what to say. Ironic that people crticize me for being paranoid and casinos out to get me, but then are paranoid themselves saying all I do is troll and if 'I'm a real person'? Just sick of it
People would take you seriously if you took them seriously.
Quote: ZenKinGQuote: TankoIt would be easier and safer if you had TSA Pre Check, which allows you to avoid the lines and breeze through security with less hassle.
The cost is $85 for a five year membership.
We just returned from Vegas and saved lots of time and aggravation at both airports with Pre Check.
Yea I've heard that TSA pre-check is good for an AP.
I wish more people would post their stores of traveling cross country and not getting pulled over. This thread has made me overly paranoid and that my bankroll has a 99% chance of being stolen by cops before I get to Vegas
Most people do NOT have a 99% chance of getting their bankroll stolen, but you might. The threat is real but common sense reduces the risk. Please listen to the advice offered here. These guys can and will help you, if you open your minds to others opinions. Or don't. There will also be people in Vegas willing to "help" you as well.
Instead spread it equally amongst a dozen or so. Much safer than a bank.
Quote: speedycrapI will take bets up to $100. 3-2 odds. If u bet $10, u will win $15. Zen is not coming to Vegas by month's end.
Betting window is open now for business.
I'll take that for $100. How to prove he made it on time though?
Edit: Start packing ZK!
Use the Waze app to be notified ahead of time for police up ahead. I'd say it alerts you to 90% of cops, the other 10% just got there and nobody has reported them yet.
Quote: speedycrapI will take bets up to $100. 3-2 odds. If u bet $10, u will win $15. Zen is not coming to Vegas by month's end.
Betting window is open now for business.
I will give 4 to 1 that he isn't in Vegas this weekend as he had said he would.
Quote: BTLWII've driven AZ to WI or the other direction half a dozen times and have never been pulled over. Why do you think you'll get pulled over? Why do you think the cop will suspect you have a big bankroll stashed in the car? If you stick to 5-7 MPH over the speed limit on the interstate you should have no issues.
Use the Waze app to be notified ahead of time for police up ahead. I'd say it alerts you to 90% of cops, the other 10% just got there and nobody has reported them yet.
Hold up, people voluntarily go to Wisconsim more than once? Amazing.
Can't wait until The Rock is featured on American Gods.
Shit, competition is finally here.Quote: DRichI will give 4 to 1 that he isn't in Vegas this weekend as he had said he would.
Quote: mcallister3200Hold up, people voluntarily go to Wisconsim more than once? Amazing.
I spent a week in Wisconsin one night.
Quote: ZenKinG
I wish more people would post their stores of traveling cross country and not getting pulled over. This thread has made me overly paranoid and that my bankroll has a 99% chance of being stolen by cops before I get to Vegas
The only trouble I had with cops during my months-long cross country jaunt happened at Hoover Dam.
I was following a couple of "long hairs" I'd met at Grand Canyon Village, en route to see Las Vegas for the first time.
We stopped and parked on the road over the dam, took the tour, then cooked our dinner (Dinty Moore stew) in the back of their van, using Sterno.
After dinner we used our jugged water to clean the cook pot and our plates, and the greasy water ran off into the gutter.
That's when the Dam Cop showed up; he didn't like it one bit.
Said he'd arrest us if we didn't take the shirts off our backs and mop up our soiled water in the roadside gutter.
When we finished he warned us never to come back.
What a douche.
Helpful hint #6H.
(1) If traveling by car with a lot of money. Hide it in about 5-10 different places in the car.
(2) With a bankroll over $2K, I would never have all of it in the same place (Think - car accident & fire).
If you get over $100K, I would never have more than 1/3 in one bank/location. Multiple banks, stock accounts, safe deposit boxes, etc...
(3) Open a bank account. DO NOT put more than $5K cash in it...unless you put cash in slowly.
Don't do a lot of cash deposits & withdrawals. That got one of my bank accounts (and credit cards) closed (and happened to a friend also).
(4) Once in Vegas, open a bank safe deposit box. Sometimes with enough money in an account, the safe deposit box is free (Mine at Chase is free with $15K.)
Of course the 15K could be earning 1-1.5% annual interest at GoldMan Sachs or in a CD (or 10-15%/yr in the stock market).
(5) Romes has good chip buying suggestions. When first buying in, go to roulette or baccarat or some ploppy game, get chips there. Come back a later trip to play BJ. Maybe even take a few trips to buy up chips. Bacarrat is nice because people often buy chips & then just watch the game for 15-30 min waiting for the right time to play ... and move between crowded baccarat tables. People at baccarat often buy in for more money too.
I like to stick to blacks (some smaller casinos - only greens, IMO 2x200 is too strong for El Cortez & Four Queens). I saw one guy attempt to play 3x75 on his first hand at the El Cortez, and the pit boss came running over like bat out of hell, pushed all the chips out of the betting circles, and said "you can't play here" (wasn't a known player, pretty stupid for an AP also, if he was one, argued with the pit boss a lot).
No purples or yellows (god forbid, browns or larger), so I like to avoid color-ups. I often say that "I'm going to play at another table." if they try to color-me up. Sometimes they refuse to let me leave the table...so I just color-up, and break-down at another table. However, I don't do $20K buy-ins, where walking with yellows and purples makes more sense.
(6) Leave a reserve "bankroll" which you don't touch (say $10K) in a interest-earning (at least 1%) savings account. Better yet, after you figure out expenses, save a 6-month to 12-month worst-case scenario in the "never gamble, like ever, ever, ever bankroll"
(7) In Budgets, add a 10% unexpected expenses category.
(8) If you ever plan to play high-stakes slots, DO NOT get a players card. When you get a players card, you want to look like you drop $10K-100K/day. Helps you get $5K-15K/month FP.
(9) Casinos may Google you. Make a convincing cover story on Social Media (aka Cook just moved to Vegas)...and DON'T blab about this on WoV. Invisible does not look good. Probably you want to look like a normal person with a job, or a rich kid (who can afford to play $20K/day).
See how rich kids dress (e.g. they often don't tuck in their shirts). Watch the kids with the $20K-200K watches, see how they dress, and how they act.
Not like card counter nerds who grew up working class.
(10) I like Laundromat just east of Harrah's (forget the name, maybe 0.5 mile east).
(11) Weeklies definitely have fees. Two I hear about last year were $185-200, about $200-$230 after fees.
Never did run into the spa attendant who told me about the $200-400-600/month studios last year. Sorry. He works at the Bally's Spa (Free for Diamonds), but in my last few visits I never saw him (didn't write his name down or get contact info). In his 20s. Clean-cut caucasian. He lives at a $400/month studio in the mid-range neighborhoods ($200 was N Las Vegas rough neighborhoods, $600 was in better places).
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Disaster strikes:
There are ways to survive on less than $100 bankroll.
(1) Food - the Harrahs Diamond lounges (have different hours and better/worse food - see other threads). I usually tip at least a dollar, depending on service.
(2) Food - Six High-end lounges open 24 hrs (if you have proper high-level card, or **ahem** use other methods). Bellagio, Caesars Palace, Venetian, MGM Grand (if still open), Wynn (if still open), Cosmopolitan (heard about it, but haven't checked it out yet). Mirage is now closed. Caesars Palace cut back the food service to really lame stuff.
In the beginning, maybe have a friend take you in as a guest. Learn how people behave there. Tip waiters well & get to know them.
Many ages ago, I had a "big player" friend take me into one area. He said don't worry about not having a card. If they don't know who you are, they don't know how BIG a player you could be, so they won't tend to bother you if you know how to act.
(3) Making money - Lots of low-roller strategies (in & out of casinos). Which you don't need to learn with $61K bankroll.
(4) You are welcome to PM me if you get in trouble. I don't live in Vegas anymore, but visit there a few times a year.
OK, perfectly understandable.Quote: ZenKinGYou know, I'm starting to get sick of all the sarcastic comments.
I'm not a huge fan of banks either. Fees, crappy customer service, etc. BUT, when they offer you a service that you need, and it is free, USE IT. I am simply talking about having a bank account in PODUNK and withdrawing money at a branch in VEGAS.Quote: ZenKinGI'm not a huge fan of banks and rather have cash on hand to play although I do use both and deposit and withdraw from time to time.
Good luck to ya. It will be quite an adventure, and best not to have regrets on I coulda/shoulda later in life, right ?
Quote: MoosetonI'll take that for $100. How to prove he made it on time though?
Edit: Start packing ZK!
Speedycrap: You have 24 more hours to respond or the bets off.
Quote: mamatMy 2 cents:
(1) If traveling by car with a lot of money. Hide it in about 5-10 different places in the car.
(2) With a bankroll over $2K, I would never have all of it in the same place (Think - car accident & fire).
If you get over $100K, I would never have more than 1/3 in one bank/location. Multiple banks, stock accounts, safe deposit boxes, etc...
(3) Open a bank account. DO NOT put more than $5K cash in it...unless you put cash in slowly.
Don't do a lot of cash deposits & withdrawals. That got one of my bank accounts (and credit cards) closed (and happened to a friend also).
(4) Once in Vegas, open a bank safe deposit box. Sometimes with enough money in an account, the safe deposit box is free (Mine at Chase is free with $15K.)
Of course the 15K could be earning 1-1.5% annual interest at GoldMan Sachs or in a CD (or 10-15%/yr in the stock market).
(5) Romes has good chip buying suggestions. When first buying in, go to roulette or baccarat or some ploppy game, get chips there. Come back a later trip to play BJ. Maybe even take a few trips to buy up chips. Bacarrat is nice because people often buy chips & then just watch the game for 15-30 min waiting for the right time to play ... and move between crowded baccarat tables. People at baccarat often buy in for more money too.
I like to stick to blacks (some smaller casinos - only greens, IMO 2x200 is too strong for El Cortez & Four Queens). I saw one guy attempt to play 3x75 on his first hand at the El Cortez, and the pit boss came running over like bat out of hell, pushed all the chips out of the betting circles, and said "you can't play here" (wasn't a known player, pretty stupid for an AP also, if he was one, argued with the pit boss a lot).
No purples or yellows (god forbid, browns or larger), so I like to avoid color-ups. I often say that "I'm going to play at another table." if they try to color-me up. Sometimes they refuse to let me leave the table...so I just color-up, and break-down at another table. However, I don't do $20K buy-ins, where walking with yellows and purples makes more sense.
(6) Leave a reserve "bankroll" which you don't touch (say $10K) in a interest-earning (at least 1%) savings account. Better yet, after you figure out expenses, save a 6-month to 12-month worst-case scenario in the "never gamble, like ever, ever, ever bankroll"
(7) In Budgets, add a 10% unexpected expenses category.
(8) If you ever plan to play high-stakes slots, DO NOT get a players card. When you get a players card, you want to look like you drop $10K-100K/day. Helps you get $5K-15K/month FP.
(9) Casinos may Google you. Make a convincing cover story on Social Media (aka Cook just moved to Vegas)...and DON'T blab about this on WoV. Invisible does not look good. Probably you want to look like a normal person with a job, or a rich kid (who can afford to play $20K/day).
See how rich kids dress (e.g. they often don't tuck in their shirts). Watch the kids with the $20K-200K watches, see how they dress, and how they act.
Not like card counter nerds who grew up working class.
(10) I like Laundromat just east of Harrah's (forget the name, maybe 0.5 mile east).
(11) Weeklies definitely have fees. Two I hear about last year were $185-200, about $200-$230 after fees.
Never did run into the spa attendant who told me about the $200-400-600/month studios last year. Sorry. He works at the Bally's Spa (Free for Diamonds), but in my last few visits I never saw him (didn't write his name down or get contact info). In his 20s. Clean-cut caucasian. He lives at a $400/month studio in the mid-range neighborhoods ($200 was N Las Vegas rough neighborhoods, $600 was in better places).
-----
Disaster strikes:
There are ways to survive on less than $100 bankroll.
(1) Food - the Harrahs Diamond lounges (have different hours and better/worse food - see other threads). I usually tip at least a dollar, depending on service.
(2) Food - Six High-end lounges open 24 hrs (if you have proper high-level card, or **ahem** use other methods). Bellagio, Caesars Palace, Venetian, MGM Grand (if still open), Wynn (if still open), Cosmopolitan (heard about it, but haven't checked it out yet). Mirage is now closed. Caesars Palace cut back the food service to really lame stuff.
In the beginning, maybe have a friend take you in as a guest. Learn how people behave there. Tip waiters well & get to know them.
Many ages ago, I had a "big player" friend take me into one area. He said don't worry about not having a card. If they don't know who you are, they don't know how BIG a player you could be, so they won't tend to bother you if you know how to act.
(3) Making money - Lots of low-roller strategies (in & out of casinos). Which you don't need to learn with $61K bankroll.
(4) You are welcome to PM me if you get in trouble. I don't live in Vegas anymore, but visit there a few times a year.
This post should be printed out and framed by anyone learning AP (which is why i quoted it). Very generous of you to give such useful advice, mamat!
Quote: ZenKinGIt's official. Vegas is finally happening.
Good luck to you!
Quote: billryanWhich casinos have roulette chips you can use at other tables?
I think the point was to buy your chips someplace other than at the blackjack table, so when you buy in at roulette, you do get regular chips, when you leave the table.
Rate-hole at a lower denomination then introduce them back in at a higher denomination (-:Quote: billryanSo you buy in at roulette for a few hundred, waste time there playing a bad game,only to cash out and have real chips?
Buy in. Scatter chips all over the numbers & play for a while like a ploppy. Color up. Leave table.Quote: billryanWhich casinos have roulette chips you can use at other tables?
It's that idea that you are not buying chips at an AP-able game (like BJ)
....AND....
If surveillance decides to track where you came from after making a big win at the BJ table, they wind back the camera and see you playing <100% roulette (or some other ploppy game)...not just buy in at baccarat & not play anything (playing $25 mini-bacarrat is high variance for a cover play, $1 roulette is less variance).
Surveillance does track you back through the casino if they want to...
Losing $10-100 now & then as camouflage is fine if you make $100-500/hr at BJ.
Also if you are decent at roulette, you can give a lot of action, with not too much variance from the expected loss.
Lots of bets which overlap each other and give you a partial return no matter which number lands (Don't want big 7-out losses like on craps).
Learn how to play roulette like a ploppy. :-)
You must be taking the day off so they know they don't have that supplementary income to buffer against AP's. ;-)Quote: AxelWolfWord on the street is....the casinos are on high alert today.
I have taken the day off to watch the news to see if there are any reports of a missing 68k.Quote: RomesYou must be taking the day off so they know they don't have that supplementary income to buffer against AP's. ;-)
I'm sure someone is searching weekly joints just off the strip while looking for a particular sports car with tinted windows or looking for some guy with unusual fitting shoes walking funny to the check-in office.
Quote: AxelWolfI have taken the day off to watch the news to see if there are any reports of a missing 68k.
I'm sure someone is searching weekly joints just off the strip while looking for a particular sports car with tinted windows or looking for some guy with unusual fitting shoes walking funny to the check-in office.
Probably buried somewhere in Oklahoma, hopefully they didn't find the stash in the shoes.
I would have to guess he does know more than he's letting on(unless he has some form of autism or something like that). Perhaps he just wants to talk to someone(us) about this stuff and his only avenue is on the forums.Quote: monet0412I don't post very much here anymore but I see we are still on the ZenKing subject. I walk daily with 10-20k in car or pockets and never had one problem. I've driven all over the country with more cash than your talking about. I also have firearms in the car at all times with hardly ever getting pulled over. I still don't understand how you don't know how to maneuver in society without problems. I don't understand how you can't diffuse the situation when trouble arises. Fun topic here but I don't have any more time to waste on it.
To be fair, I would be a bit worried if I was taking 68k(my entire BR) on the road crossing the country, even if I was in a Volvo, let alone a tinted-windowed sprts car. Not to mention, from his posts, as we have already seen, he has some tinfoil-hat propensities going on.
Quote: AxelWolfI would have to guess he does know more than he's letting on(unless he has some form of autism or something like that). Perhaps he just wants to talk to someone(us) about this stuff and his only avenue is on the forums.
To be fair, I would be a bit worried if I was taking 68k(my entire BR) on the road crossing the country, even if I was in a Volvo, let alone a tinted-windowed sprts car. Not to mention, from his posts, as we have already seen, he has somve tinfoil-hat propensities going on.
He should rent a miata. That would throw everyone off
Quote: AxelWolfI would have to guess he does know more than he's letting on(unless he has some form of autism or something like that). Perhaps he just wants to talk to someone(us) about this stuff and his only avenue is on the forums.
To be fair, I would be a bit worried if I was taking 68k(my entire BR) on the road crossing the country, even if I was in a Volvo, let alone a tinted-windowed sprts car. Not to mention, from his posts, as we have already seen, he has some tinfoil-hat propensities going on.
Autism, really? Lol. I'd be worried about you if you can't tell the difference between anxiety and something like autism. My first big road trip and was carrying a bunch of cash and I didn't know what to expect especially after hearing some of the horror stories. In my opinion, it's normal to ask a lot of questions for something like I was about to go through. Like mooseton said, I just had a bit of apprehension and a lot of anxiety because the last thing I need is having my bankroll seized. Couple that with the fact I do overthink a lot and maybe some of the stuff I was saying or asking was becoming a bit ridiculous, but i was just a bit stressed out.
But I digress. I'm happy to report that I made it all the way across the country. I think others on here were trolling me getting me worked up and got me overly paranoid about the cops. By staying the speed limit and sometimes at most 5 over, nothing happened. Not to mention I only saw 3 cops on my side of the road(westbound) the whole trip. The other times that I saw cops they were waiting on the east bound side. I thought I would've seen a lot more. I didn't even see one cop in the aforementioned corrupt Oklahoma. Once I got through corrupt Tennessee, I had a feeling I was overreacting this whole time before my trip.
Regarding blackjack today in vegas, i started off horribly, my first shoe, count skyrocketed from the beginning and was down a quick 2500, but recovered nicely and played another shoe right after and ended the session with a quick 300 profit only to lose 100 at caesars, which put me at a +200 for the night. I didn't play much today as I'm still tired from the long trip and still getting situated. Never again am I driving cross country by myself and its not because I got tired, I stayed at 3 different motels and took my time really, it was just pretty boring, i thought there woulf be a lot more to see even being on the interstate, but all i saw were farms and flatlands.
1st day I drove 500 miles. 2nd day 800 miles. 3rd day 800 miles. And half of the 4th day I put in the last 500 miles and got there in the afternoon. 3.5 days to get to vegas and all went pretty well. Only took me $250 in gas and $200 in motels. Now its time to put in the work.
P.S., I did drive the whole way with 23k in my shoes. LOL. I ended up depositing most of it before the trip. By the way, Axel I don't have 68k I had 60k, but after first months rent up front and gas expenses and motels to get here I'm at around 58.5k.
Oh and by the way, looks like someone owes Mooseton for betting against me getting to Vegas. Pay up
Quote: ZenKinGAutism, really? Lol. I'd be worried about you if you can't tell the difference between anxiety and something like autism. My first big road trip and was carrying a bunch of cash and I didn't know what to expect especially after hearing some of the horror stories. In my opinion, it's normal to ask a lot of questions for something like I was about to go through. Like mooseton said, I just had a bit of apprehension and a lot of anxiety because the last thing I need is having my bankroll seized. Couple that with the fact I do overthink a lot and maybe some of the stuff I was saying or asking was becoming a bit ridiculous, but i was just a bit stressed out.
But I digress. I'm happy to report that I made it all the way across the country. I think others on here were trolling me getting me worked up and got me overly paranoid about the cops. By staying the speed limit and sometimes at most 5 over, nothing happened. Not to mention I only saw 3 cops on my side of the road(westbound) the whole trip. The other times that I saw cops they were waiting on the east bound side. I thought I would've seen a lot more. I didn't even see one cop in the aforementioned corrupt Oklahoma. Once I got through corrupt Tennessee, I had a feeling I was overreacting this whole time before my trip.
Regarding blackjack today in vegas, i started off horribly, my first shoe, count skyrocketed from the beginning and was down a quick 2500, but recovered nicely and played another shoe right after and ended the session with a quick 300 profit only to lose 100 at caesars, which put me at a +200 for the night. I didn't play much today as I'm still tired from the long trip and still getting situated. Never again am I driving cross country by myself and its not because I got tired, I stayed at 3 different motels and took my time really, it was just pretty boring, i thought there woulf be a lot more to see even being on the interstate, but all i saw were farms and flatlands.
1st day I drove 500 miles. 2nd day 800 miles. 3rd day 800 miles. And half of the 4th day I put in the last 500 miles and got there in the afternoon. 3.5 days to get to vegas and all went pretty well. Only took me $250 in gas and $200 in motels. Now its time to put in the work.
P.S., I did drive the whole way with 23k in my shoes. LOL. I ended up depositing most of it before the trip. By the way, Axel I don't have 68k I had 60k, but after first months rent up front and gas expenses and motels to get here I'm at around 58.5k.
Oh and by the way, looks like someone owes Mooseton for betting against me getting to Vegas. Pay up
Congrats on your uneventful drive, and GL in Vegas!