Deal2422
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January 28th, 2017 at 3:09:41 PM permalink
4 deck shoe continuous
No double, split or insurance
Player BJ wins 2-1 if dealer not BJ
Dealer stops on any 17 and above

What would be the house edge in this situation?
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January 28th, 2017 at 10:54:28 PM permalink
42

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January 29th, 2017 at 1:38:43 PM permalink
Quote: Deal2422

4 deck shoe continuous
No double, split or insurance
Player BJ wins 2-1 if dealer not BJ
Dealer stops on any 17 and above

What would be the house edge in this situation?



A 2 to 1 payoff for naturals is worth +2.27%
Player may not double nor split -1.91%
I don't see 'no surrender' but about -0.10% I believe

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/rule-variations/
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January 29th, 2017 at 1:49:13 PM permalink
Yeah, well, if you're actually going to do it -- house edge = -0.0383%. Close to even.
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January 29th, 2017 at 4:16:11 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Yeah, well, if you're actually going to do it -- house edge = -0.0383%. Close to even.



If decks is 6 or 8 then it should be almost even.
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January 29th, 2017 at 4:33:45 PM permalink
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If decks is 6 or 8 then it should be almost even.

Wrong direction.
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January 29th, 2017 at 7:02:52 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Wrong direction.



Can I have actual figures then
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January 29th, 2017 at 8:00:06 PM permalink
Quote: Deal2422

Can I have actual figures then

No. Well, not from me anyway.
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January 30th, 2017 at 2:27:59 AM permalink
From MGP's CA
6 decks: - 0.081%
8 decks: - 0.010%
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January 30th, 2017 at 9:25:35 AM permalink
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From MGP's CA
6 decks: - 0.081%
8 decks: - 0.010%

Let's see if he says "thank you" to you the way he did for me, by asking for more.
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January 30th, 2017 at 11:18:17 AM permalink
I've never done any of these edge calculations myself, but the reported numbers seem odd if all of the discussions relate to a continuous shuffle shoe as suggested by Deal2422 here. Quoting previously-posted edges:
4 decks: -0.0383%
6 decks: -0.081%
8 decks: -0.010%

Does that really make sense? If so, why? If there is at least one reversal of directions in the trend, what are the best and worst numbers of decks?
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January 30th, 2017 at 11:23:20 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

Does that really make sense?

Yes

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If so, why?

Because the results presented are facts, not "alternative facts."

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If there is at least one reversal of directions in the trend, what are the best and worst numbers of decks?

Best is 0, worse is infinite.
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January 30th, 2017 at 11:26:04 AM permalink
Then why does it get more negative going from 4 to 6 but less negative going from 6 to 8?
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January 30th, 2017 at 11:30:27 AM permalink
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Then why does it get more negative going from 4 to 6 but less negative going from 6 to 8?

Because he had a typo in the value he gave for 8 decks, which I am not going to correct, but you could easily guess. Typos are a good thing when people don't say thank you.
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January 30th, 2017 at 11:34:04 AM permalink
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Then why does it get more negative going from 4 to 6 but less negative going from 6 to 8?



Oups.
6 decks : -0,080970168655035%
8 decks : -0,102270260556501%
Copy/past is better :-)
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January 30th, 2017 at 11:43:56 AM permalink
Quote: PhilippeB

Oups.
6 decks : -0,080970168655035%
8 decks : -0,102270260556501%
Copy/past is better :-)

Nice typos, do you think anyone will notice?
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January 30th, 2017 at 4:21:08 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Because the results presented are facts, not "alternative facts."



Quote: teliot

Because he had a typo in the value he gave for 8 decks



Which are better, incorrect "facts" or "alternative facts"? Things can be very confusing these days.
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January 30th, 2017 at 4:40:17 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Which are better, incorrect "facts" or "alternative facts"? Things can be very confusing these days.

Hopefully my Haiku will answer your question:


The End of Rain

D.C. weathermen
forecast alternative facts
to hide their despair.
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January 30th, 2017 at 4:44:10 PM permalink
I appreciate the help some do but don't like off topic conversations on my thread.

Thanks.
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January 30th, 2017 at 4:53:29 PM permalink
Finally, a sarcastic "thanks," but "thanks" nevertheless - you are a piece of work.

I hope no one ever, not once, answers another question for you here. IMO, you deserve nothing more than than "so long."

Thanks.

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January 30th, 2017 at 5:22:02 PM permalink
I respect the answers given but when one complains about someone else answer at least be professional about it and advise what is wrong and give a correct answer.
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