Something has to be done

Casinos just simply cant keep getting away with backing people off and trespassing them simply because someone is counting cards. This is beyond ridiculous. How can someone betting as little as 2x250 get kicked out and on top of it get treated like some type of criminal? Casinos should not have the right to offer a game to the public and get to pick and choose who gets to play it. As long as someone is not deliberately cheating, casinos should not have a right to pick and choose who can play. If they dont like people beating you, DONT OFFER THE GAME.

Let's just put some numbers into perspective to make casinos realize just how fukin stupid they actually are. Anyone betting that much is raking in about 75k a year in EV, give or take,, but to make things even funnier, anyone with that EV and stakes are playing many stores and obviously wouldnt be camping all year at the same store, so on average making about 10-15k A YEAR at each store and THAT sends out alarms to kick someone out and trespass them? Casinos are scared of 15k a year in losses? Are casinos really that fuking stupid? I mean really? How do these guy have jobs and I dont? I could triple their profit in a heartbeat if i was head manager at these places but yet im the one getting trespassed. These guys are making tens of millions and get alarm bells going off on 15k a year? Are they just deliberately retarded and dont know the math of the game, or do they actually think counting cards is some type of money making machine? I really hope it's not the latter because people in a management position surely cant be that uneducated about the games they offer.

Not to mention these idiots sweat the game so much they cut off 2 decks LOL. GOD FORBID, THESE CARD COUNTERS WITH THEIR 1% EDGE IS GONNA WIPE US OUT. Let's cut off 2 decks and waste time shuffling, which could have been revenue earned against the average players, but instead let's try and combat these horrific 1% edge counters. I mean god, not only is there edge SO BIG, theres millions of them ready to swarm into the building and beat us. Oh wait, less than 1% of players even know perfect basic strategy, let alone know how to count cards perfectly, let alone even have a big enough bankroll to be a threat.

All this just makes me laugh to the point something has to be done. It's not just the mere stupidity of these people and the lack of knowledge to run a game, but the injustice of being treated like a criminal, getting kicked out for doing nothing wrong and getting threatened to not step foot in there again or 'else'. I dont know how much more of this I can take before doing something really stupid. I am thinking of some type of revenge, something so slick that will eat at their pockets badly. Maybe some type of provocation and then sue them in court. I just dont know, but something has to be done.

I honestly wish everyone had Ken Uston's mindset. I guess many do, but many dont have the pockets he had to take a casino to court and win. It's really a shame, because i wish nothing but the worst for these places. Many casinos in the future are going to live through the same demise of atlantic city, if they continue down this path. Im pretty sure many casinos dont have the power to kick you out and are vulnerable just like Atlantic city was, and they will soon meet their demise when someone with big pockets and passion like Uston had, and rocks them in court.

Everyone needs to start wearing religious shirts to the casinos, maybe that's a start. Let them back you off and everyone start suing for discrimination of religion, idk, but this is beyond ridiculous. Or maybe every time you get backed off, tell every player at the table to take their business else where because they wont let you play even though you did nothing wrong and that they shouldnt give money to these casino scum. I already got someone to leave today using that logic. Maybe if everyone starts doing that, casinos will think twice about backing you off.

So,how would you triple their profit?

I'm pissed about the new Star Wars movie. I got my revenge the other day. I bought two tickets and didn't use them. That'll teach them to write off JaJa.
If everyone buys two tickets and doesn't show up, the soul less suits running the place will lose their jobs, making my plan for world domination just that much closer.

It's been cold in Vegas this year for the last month or so. The sky is blue. The desert is tan and dry. I like food. I like water and other drinks. I sleep. I watch movies. I put gas in my cars when they get low. I think I need new front brakes in one of them. My dogs ate the wires to my Nintendo so I need to get that fixed so I can play Tyson and Tecmo. I guess I'll go watch the fireworks tomorrow night in my secret spot that is easy to get in and out of on New Years Eve Night that only a handful know about.

I drive about 5 hours a week on the freeway to and from work. I don't know why people insist on driving in the left lane when they are not keeping up with the flow of traffic.

There are 3 other lanes you can drive in if you want to drive slower. Making people change lanes to the right to pass you is more dangerous than people speeding in the fast lane.

Why can't people learn the rules of driving?


ZCore13

Every AP should change their own brakes. It's super easy and saves a bunch of money.

God forbid a business try to minimize expenses and maximize profits

all of you with your sarcastic replies are part of the problem. If everyone took it as personally as I did, backoffs and trespassing would be a thing of the past. And it doesnt mean the rules or pen would get worse either, casinos would still make a killing and they would quickly realize it and just suck it up. I dont blame Ken Uston one bit for what he did. These casinos are a bunch of scum.

Quote: djatc

God forbid a business try to minimize expenses and maximize profits

Minimize expenses? LOL. Yeah that 15k yearly expense when they're making tens of millions is a reason to go ahead and kick people out and trespass them through the mail. Gotcha. These idiots dont know the first thign of how to run a business because if they did, they wouldnt be kicking people out. All it does is make them look bad. I will continue embarrassing them in front of the patrons everytime it happens and going to take one customer from them at a time if not more on each backoff. In fact, next time it happens, im going to yell discirmination and make a big scene of how they're kicking me out because im catholic. Let's see them not give a reason then for kicking me out. Im sick of their dumb looking faces everytime i ask them why they are kicking me out. Maybe yelling out discrimination will finally get an answer. Fukin twats.

Quote: ZenKinG

If they dont like people beating you, DONT OFFER THE GAME.

That's exactly what would happen if you got your way and then your precious EV would drop to zero.

It's been said many times: If casinos were forced to deal to everyone, they would all just be 6/5 csm games and then no one would ever earn any money counting.

Quote: ZenKinG

How can someone betting as little as 2x250 get kicked out and on top of it get treated like some type of criminal?

A few possible reasons: You're too obvious about what you're doing, you're doing it for too long, you are doing it too aggressively. You do have the option of improving and diversifying your game. If you choose not to do that, you also have the option of living with your parents and whining on the internet instead

Quote: TomG

That's exactly what would happen if you got your way and then your precious EV would drop to zero.

It's been said many times: If casinos were forced to deal to everyone, they would all just be 6/5 csm games and then no one would ever earn any money counting.



A few possible reasons: You're too obvious about what you're doing, you're doing it for too long, you are doing it too aggressively. You do have the option of improving and diversifying your game. If you choose not to do that, you also have the option of living with your parents and whining on the internet instead

It would only happen, because they're so uneducated that they would take the game away. No reason to take the game away. Just let all counters play and not make a big deal about it. Everyone wins. Just a bunch of greedy little babies. God forbid someone wins 15k a year off them. Jesus christ. They deserve nothing but the worst. I hope their casino burns down badly with every single one of management in there. To make things even sweeter they can burn in there looking at all their cash since it means so much to them. Maybe then they will realize cash means nothing and that greed kills. Nothing but pure scum running these corporations.

Quote: Zcore13

I drive about 5 hours a week on the freeway to and from work. I don't know why people insist on driving in the left lane when they are not keeping up with the flow of traffic.

There are 3 other lanes you can drive in if you want to drive slower. Making people change lanes to the right to pass you is more dangerous than people speeding in the fast lane.

Why can't people learn the rules of driving?


ZCore13

It is about time that someone came out and said it. Why the F do people drive 60 mph in the fast lane and refuse to move over? Why the F do people like my wife only drive in the right hand lane which is called the suicide lane and refuse to get in the middle or just drive fast in the fast lane? Road Rage is Real!

Californian drivers are some fast bastards over in California but for some reason when they get to Vegas it is like kryptonite and they seem to always drive about 12 mph trying to figure out where to turn.

Quote: ZenKinG

God forbid someone wins 15k a year off them. Jesus christ.

That's still very much possible under the current conditions where they're allowed to backoff anyone they want. It's only the players with serious flaws in their game who are unable to earn at that level. When we move to winning $150k per year off them it gets quite a bit harder.

Quote: monet0412

I guess I'll go watch the fireworks tomorrow night in my secret spot that is easy to get in and out of on New Years Eve Night that only a handful know about.

Post it to VPFree, your secret's safe.

I always stay home on NYEve and July 4th to comfort my dogs. I turn some music on and try to keep them calm. I wish they would uninvent fireworks. There's always lost dogs running the streets on the following day, it's very sad.

Quote: ZenKinG

It would only happen, because they're so uneducated that they would take the game away. No reason to take the game away. Just let all counters play and not make a big deal about it. Everyone wins. Just a bunch of greedy little babies. God forbid someone wins 15k a year off them. Jesus christ. They deserve nothing but the worst. I hope their casino burns down badly with every single one of management in there. To make things even sweeter they can burn in there looking at all their cash since it means so much to them. Maybe then they will realize cash means nothing and that greed kills. Nothing but pure scum running these corporations.

You've got a serious anger issue. I feel bad for you.


ZCore13

Quote: bobbartop

Post it to VPFree, your secret's safe.

I always stay home on NYEve and July 4th to comfort my dogs. I turn some music on and try to keep them calm. I wish they would uninvent fireworks. There's always lost dogs running the streets on the following day, it's very sad.

VP Free ... ha ha! I do use it but it would be better if it didn't exist for me and you and others. I agree with your assessment of the fireworks and dogs! Someone in my family loves fireworks so I like to take them over and see the show to give him some joy. The 4th is way worse compared to New Years. No offense to Latinos or Latinas but they seem to run around where I live blowing up the streets all night until the sun comes up and not only on the 4th but for one week prior and after the 4th so it's like two weeks of M 80s blowing up near my windows every night! On the fourth it is like a war zone over here. I swear the smoke is very thick and if I didn't know better I really think I am in a war zone. Many times I have wanted to go over to my neighbors with some weapons and complain but I just suck it up and use ear plugs and shake quietly with my dogs too! I could call the cops but they are too busy blowing up fireworks on the 4th and shooting guns in the air as well! I really do not understand how people can shoot fireworks all over the place in city limits? I don't remember it being so bad 10 to 15 years ago. I guess I am just getting old. At least I have a long painful death to look forward to in the near future :)

Years ago I used to go to the Rio Parking Lot but in the last 5 years or so people have gotten hip to that so I have another spot I like to go to where about 6 cars show up. Actually... it is a better spot and a cleaner, faster get away!

Dagnabbit, - the casinos won't let me fleece 'em! Like, is that any way for them to run their businesses? I'm trying to make a meal over here!

The nerve!

I'm shocked - SHOCKED that there's gambling going on! Everybody out at once! [from Casablanca]

Quote: Paigowdan

Dagnabbit, - the casinos won't let me fleece 'em! Like, is that any way for them to run their businesses? I'm trying to make a meal over here!

The nerve!

I'm shocked - SHOCKED that there's gambling going on! Everybody out at once! [from Casablanca]

Oh good. Dan showed up to use the word "fleece" when talking about a casino patron's actions.

Oh the ironing!

Oh the huge manatee!

There not patrons, they're pros, and are unwelcome and 86-ed.

The patrons are at the crap tables, the roulette wheel, and the Pai Gow Poker and the 6:5 BJ CSM tables. And on slots. Bless 'em.

Quote: ZenKinG

all of you with your sarcastic replies are part of the problem. If everyone took it as personally as I did, backoffs and trespassing would be a thing of the past. And it doesnt mean the rules or pen would get worse either, casinos would still make a killing and they would quickly realize it and just suck it up. I dont blame Ken Uston one bit for what he did. These casinos are a bunch of scum.

Or you just are not doing it right. Perhaps you should spend more time working on beating them instead of complaining about them. Taking their money is the best revenge.

But I probably am wasting my time.

Quote: ZenKinG

. They deserve nothing but the worst. I hope their casino burns down badly with every single one of management in there. To make things even sweeter they can burn in there looking at all their cash since it means so much to them.

Probably doesn't fall under a rule, but I wonder what value there is in a poster with these opinions or thoughts?

Who would wish this on anyone?

Quote: Paigowdan

There not patrons, they're pros, and are unwelcome and 86-ed.

The patrons are at the crap tables, the roulette wheel, and the Pai Gow Poker and the 6:5 BJ CSM tables. And on slots. Bless 'em.

The pro's aren't complaining,only the wannabes are.

Quote: Paigowdan

There not patrons, they're pros, and are unwelcome and 86-ed.

The patrons are at the crap tables, the roulette wheel, and the Pai Gow Poker and the 6:5 BJ CSM tables. And on slots. Bless 'em.

And yet the casinos still deal 3-2.

Quote: Boz

And yet the casinos still deal 3-2.

And to whom they wish.

I watch "The Hustler" on average once a week for over 20 years now. Doesn't anyone know what Findley said to Eddie?? Here is the scene:


Eddie: I thought we came here to play pool?
Findley: I don't play pool, Mr. Felson. I play billiards. My house, my game. You don't have to play if you don't want to.
Gordon: We won't.
Eddie: Come on Bert, let me play him.


Sooooooo.... MY HOUSE, MY GAME! YOU DON"T HAVE TO PLAY IF YOU DON"T WANT TO!!!

This also means they don't have to let you play if they don't want to!

Learn to accept things, move on, and adapt. You need to learn what you did wrong, not what they did wrong.

Quote: ZenKinG

Minimize expenses? LOL. Yeah that 15k yearly expense when they're making tens of millions is a reason to go ahead and kick people out and trespass them through the mail. Gotcha. These idiots dont know the first thign of how to run a business because if they did, they wouldnt be kicking people out. All it does is make them look bad.

You can't beat the casino game that's being spread without getting kicked out so you're on the Internet complaining about it? Yeah, that's productive.

You know what's really not fair? When you walk into the casino, the blackjack dealer should just hand you a stack of black chips. That would save everyone so much time. You walk in, collect your $2000, then you leave. Nobody has to deal with any cards or betting or card counting or actually playing blackjack. So much more efficient.

Imagine if prehistoric man had decided, instead of learning to hunt wild animals, that he was just going to complain about how the animals didn't deliver themselves up to him at the entrance to his cave and commit ritual seppuku. "Dammit, where are all the animals that should be willingly dying to satisfy my hunger? Why do I have to work at hunting them? It's not fair!"

Keep sitting in your cave, waiting for the animals to die on your doorstep. I'm sure that will work some day.

There's a place in the world for the angry young man.
He's been stabbed in the back, he's been misunderstood.
It's a pleasure to know his intentions are good
And he likes to be known as the Angry Young Man.

Apologies to Young Billy Martin

might as well put a link to the song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpMv76SIUhg

live version when Billy is older

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJf7_5vH1WE

Why won't the casino let me and 30 other counters make 15k per year?

Quote: Boz

Probably doesn't fall under a rule, but I wonder what value there is in a poster with these opinions or thoughts?

Who would wish this on anyone?

Goes well with popcorn. I'm loving it.

I'll tell you what's really stupid. Posting that you don't know how much more you can take before you might try something stupid.
sheeesh...

Quote: Hunterhill

So,how would you triple their profit?

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a good answer to this one. Lol.

This thread is great. Thanks for the laughs.

Quote: monet0412

No offense to Latinos or Latinas but they seem to run around where I live blowing up the streets all night until the sun comes up and not only on the 4th but for one week prior and after the 4th so it's like two weeks of M 80s blowing up near my windows every night! On the fourth it is like a war zone over here. I swear the smoke is very thick and if I didn't know better I really think I am in a war zone.

Where I live they like to shoot guns in the air on NY Eve. Funny thing about gravity.

Quote: AxelWolf

Why won't the casino let me and 30 other counters make 15k per year?

If we follow ZKG's logic, then they should allow me to play 40 hours a week making $200/hr in EV. 8k per week, or $400,000 a year.

Or is ZKG suggesting there's a limit (2x250?) where they should let someone play, but not higher?

Quote: Paigowdan

And to whom they wish.

I watched a young lady playing at my local Indian joint last night, she was playing stacks of greens. Her boyfriend was behind her in a wheelchair giving her advice. Her best play of the night was splitting 4s against a dealer 8, making stiffs on both hands and standing. They were a pleasant couple. Everyone was happy and having fun.

Quote: AxelWolf

Why won't the casino let me and 30 other counters make 15k per year?

This is probably what OP doesn't understand. For every one person beating the joint there's countless others at various levels doing the same thing, especially if it's public knowledge like card counting.

The rest of y'all continue as you like. (Manatee =
POTD) but Zenking is taking a 7 day time out for profanity.

To be continued, I'm sure.

I still smell something fishy with this ZenKing anyway. First he goes on about how he is gonna move out of the house and asks if any other city is good for counting other than Vegas? Next he is gonna move to Vegas and wants information. He gets plenty of information. Next he wants to play with family for the holidays. As this goes on he claims his counting system is the best! Not many days later he claims a big loss followed by 86 problems. Now he claims getting 86'd by mail! I thought he swore off BJ after that big loss? What about the moving out bit? Smells fishy to me. The whole thing stinks like its fake!!

Oh and I forgot about the college degree bit and quitting two jobs. Reminds me of Flick in the Christmas Story movie whe he says: stuck... stuck... stuck! Only, I hear fake... fake ... fake!

I am actually quite surprised anyone can make anything counting cards. Even at moderately low stakes it must be so easy to tell who is a counter without much work. If I owned a casino I would get rid of a lot more than they presently do. People are focused on the "15k" a year that the casino is losing, but it is really much more. Each seat taken by a positive EV counter is a seat that needs a dealer, a pit boss, cards, security, tray lizard, etc... The casino needs to not just break even for each seat, but make a profit.
Seriously, monet, Rigon, Axel, etc.... you don't think if a casino hired you that you couldn't clear out the counters without inadvertently axing a lucky random guy? I have none of the experience you guys do, and I think I could do it.

As far as the OP complaining, welcome to the real world. There are many here who navigate these difficult waters and make it work, it doesn't seem you have the temperment to do so.

Quote: bobbartop

Where I live they like to shoot guns in the air on NY Eve. Funny thing about gravity.

That's a real cool thing to do and shows a society that has fully embraced Darwinism.

I'd make the practice mandatory at certain political rallies.

It's so obviously safe and the maths proves it. The bullets give up all of their kinetic energy as they reach maximum height and a stationary bullet never killed anyone. Besides, those stationary bullets are thousands of feet away from anyone $:o)

Gravity. Pah! We need gravity like a hole in the head!

No one can be denied to play in a casino (or access to any public service or shop for that matter, you don't get to chose your clients once you offer something publicly, unless a client is aggressive a threat for others, mentally incapacitated etc ), on the grounds of counting cards where I live (and I believe in most of Europe). You can be denied access, but the reasons have to do with either intoxication or inappropriate behavior/looks, cheating (altering the outcome, using prohibited devices etc) or something of that degree.

USA is different animal though, apparently you can be denied access to public businesses on almost any ground.
You are winning too much too often - out. It's not my business model that needs to be revised, I just pick who I offer my services to. Capitalism :)

These guys had a good day counting cards but were 86'd after one session :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAadouGkwMQ

7 years later the same dealer seems to have moved from Ceasars Palace to the Rivera which was recently demolished!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSBMzTLYKdU

2 Years later he is at The Klondike dealing WAR! I heard it recently reopened!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbu0PVOUT3o&list=RDrbu0PVOUT3o#t=30


(Clark puts his bet down)
Clark has a 4 ... Dealer has a 10 and scoops the cash

Eddie: Awww that's fast!
Clark: Give me another 20 Eddie.

Clark has a Jack and the Dealer has a Jack

Dealer: WAR bet again!
(Clark loses)
Eddie: You know Clark... maybe you ought to spread it around a little bit, you know? Not have your fun at just one table. (shrug)

Sadly 2 years after that he is Resting In Peace 1999 ... RIP Nick Mazzola!!

Vegas is like that... one dealing job to the next! One day your here next day your not.

Just try not to run into this Dealer at the Mirage!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvH34nJ7EFE

Ugh! The "Good Luck" Needle after you just lost all your cash at the table and are leaving!
The only thing worse is when your cash out a large ticket at the cashier and they tell you how great you have done when you know your down 8 grand :(
Just about as bad as hitting a 1200 dollar jackpot and your stuck thousands and they are all happy and congratulating you :(

This is how ZenKing will be doing it when he moves out of the family shelter and onto the Vegas Scene at the Riviera once again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxTngPDNqk8

James Caan did it the best in the 74 version of The Gambler IMHO. Good movie... I have the DVD and watch it a lot!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-jeWvB6xXo

Burt Reynolds had a good run in BJ as well ...
You have to love a Vegas movie where he walks out of the Aladdin and cuts to walking out of the Las Vegas Club going into the Glitter Gulch with an arcade in the background :)
Also great scene where they are walking down the strip and a girl in a red car and red dress says to them...

HEY GUYS... wanna Blow Job?
Hello Cathy.
I can't see anything without these glasses... Is that you Nicky??
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas to you too!
Fun City!!

Starts out betting large bets and decides to bet 5 dollars and loses
Pit Boss says what the F lol
Burt replies: Retribution for 5000 mornings!! CLASSIC :)

I'm changing dealers
You change dealers and I'm changing Casinos, go lose my money somewhere else.
Change The cards?!
You can change your underwear all I care, actually thats not a bad idea!

Give me my Four Cassie!
Busted :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVdi7Lw3x1M

You actually can watch the whole movie on youtube for free in parts... If you don't know already the movie is called HEAT and they remade it recently but I haven't seen that version.

Here is part one

Later... that will be our password!
Later is our password A**hole!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw9ipH02g2o

Babs, what a party pooper. Didn't even see any profanity. Seven days until the next episode? Blasts!

I wish that there was a maverick, an attorney out there with a backbone that would take on the casinos for trespassing winners.

I haven't read them all, but this has to be a Funniest Thread finalist for 2016:

Buy Star Wars movie tickets and then don't go...
Card counters should change their own brakes...
Driving in the left lane...
Cavemen defying Darwin in front of their caves..
Animals committing seppuku...
Gravity and holes in the head...
Oh the ironing...

and I will never watch the Hindenburg newsreel again without feeling sad for the huge manatees.

Revoke the suspension. Whatever his sins, the replies are too good to miss.

Thank you all and Happy New Year

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Babs, what a party pooper. Didn't even see any profanity. Seven days until the next episode? Blasts!

So you didn't "c" any misspelled f-bombs in his first couple of rants? How selective of you! Lol.

Ok, I'll amend it to 3 days. He'll be bak. Next year.

Quote: OnceDear

That's a real cool thing to do and shows a society that has fully embraced Darwinism.

I'd make the practice mandatory at certain political rallies.

It's so obviously safe and the maths proves it. The bullets give up all of their kinetic energy as they reach maximum height and a stationary bullet never killed anyone. Besides, those stationary bullets are thousands of feet away from anyone $:o)

Gravity. Pah! We need gravity like a hole in the head!

Math sorta proves it. Muzzle velocity is wayyy more than terminal velocity, talking like 1,500 - 2,500 fps muzzle (obvious varying due to caliber / type) vs 200-400 fps terminal. To put into perspective, your little kid Red Ryder has a MV of around 250 FPS, a "performance" BB gun gets up around 500.

Having said that, even a .22 is a damn sight heavier than a .180cal BB, and a tenth pound slug may as well be a rock chucked by Nolan Ryan. It CAN be fatal; it's just usually not. But all of that is whatever. Firing a round in the air in that manner is illegal in all 50 US states. Call 5-0. If not for you, than for us good gunners.

I was with you FACE till you advise to call the pigs. If I have a problem, I'll take care of it. I don't need no stinking badges or people with stinking badges!

Someone with a Barney Fife user image should know about citizens arrest... citizens arrest!

Quote: Face

Math sorta proves it. Muzzle velocity is wayyy more than terminal velocity, talking like 1,500 - 2,500 fps muzzle (obvious varying due to caliber / type) vs 200-400 fps terminal. To put into perspective, your little kid Red Ryder has a MV of around 250 FPS, a "performance" BB gun gets up around 500.

Having said that, even a .22 is a damn sight heavier than a .180cal BB, and a tenth pound slug may as well be a rock chucked by Nolan Ryan. It CAN be fatal; it's just usually not. But all of that is whatever. Firing a round in the air in that manner is illegal in all 50 US states. Call 5-0. If not for you, than for us good gunners.

I worked the midnight shift on NYE for the 2001 year, post-9/11. There were idiots shooting guns in the air everywhere that night, including under the approach paths to the runways. There were so many concerned citizen calls to the police thinking people were trying to shoot airplanes out of the sky, they called a major operation.

So I rang in the New Year in the tower watching fireworks and muzzle flash with the FBI, ATF, and local LE for company, all on our own frequencies coordinating movement of arrest teams and diverting airplanes from suspect flight paths. Was kind of fun. Had forgotten about it until this thread.