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September 10th, 2016 at 9:19:51 PM
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I've heard a lot of "expert" ploppies rambling on about strategies. Here are the few I heard today at different CSM tables we offer no hole card blackjack where only original bet is lost against dealer blackjack so it's not true european blackjack
never hit 16 v 7 because the dealer will bust 40% of the time with 7 up
always hit 16 vs 10 and never surrender that hand, the casino loves people who surrenders.
The machine is rigged since I lost 12 vs 6 since the dealer busts 100% of the time with a 6
surrender 14 against a deuce because the deuce is the dealer's ace
never mess with a good hand of 18 (not hitting soft 18 against 9 10 ace, not splitting 99 against 8, 9)
tried to ask for even money on blackjack with a dealer 10 up
won't split 88 against 7 because i will take the dealer's supposed draw card of 9 and 10 and the dealer will whip up a 21 with that 7 every time i split
won't split aces because i'll only get 1 card
won't hit 12 vs 2/3 because I will bust 100% of the time
never hit 16 v 7 because the dealer will bust 40% of the time with 7 up
always hit 16 vs 10 and never surrender that hand, the casino loves people who surrenders.
The machine is rigged since I lost 12 vs 6 since the dealer busts 100% of the time with a 6
surrender 14 against a deuce because the deuce is the dealer's ace
never mess with a good hand of 18 (not hitting soft 18 against 9 10 ace, not splitting 99 against 8, 9)
tried to ask for even money on blackjack with a dealer 10 up
won't split 88 against 7 because i will take the dealer's supposed draw card of 9 and 10 and the dealer will whip up a 21 with that 7 every time i split
won't split aces because i'll only get 1 card
won't hit 12 vs 2/3 because I will bust 100% of the time
September 10th, 2016 at 9:24:25 PM
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Aren't they wonderful people???
September 10th, 2016 at 9:32:33 PM
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You forgot,The dealer wins the first hand 83% of the time.
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September 10th, 2016 at 9:44:45 PM
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Quote: HunterhillYou forgot,The dealer wins the first hand 83% of the time.
haven't heard about this one before, can you elaborate?
September 10th, 2016 at 9:47:22 PM
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Quote: rsactuaryAren't they wonderful people???
I know right, I almost fell onto the floor laughing my ass off and now I know why blackjack is actually profitable for the casinos lol
September 10th, 2016 at 10:13:19 PM
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Quote: dajakestahaven't heard about this one before, can you elaborate?
It's just another common misconception that you hear players and dealers repeat.
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September 10th, 2016 at 10:47:21 PM
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Hi guys, any more to add? I also forgot a few lol. This one is insanely funny
I hit 12 against a 3 with my 10 dollar bet as mid field and a 300 dollar bettor on first base said I was trying to hard. Thing is if I wasn't "trying" the dealer would have made a 21 and caused him to lose.
I have to admit this one is probably my fault and I got really lucky. So I was betting 10 bucks, dealt a pair of 7s against a 10 and I was up so much that I didn't really care if i lost a measly 20 bucks so I went ahead and split my 7s. I caught 10s making my hand a pat 17 which is still lousy. good thing is the dealer drew a 7 so I pushed my hand and cause the whole table to win. The ploppies took that example and started to split 7s against all cards including an ace. It's like I accidentally created a rule that's "always split 7s"
I hit 12 against a 3 with my 10 dollar bet as mid field and a 300 dollar bettor on first base said I was trying to hard. Thing is if I wasn't "trying" the dealer would have made a 21 and caused him to lose.
I have to admit this one is probably my fault and I got really lucky. So I was betting 10 bucks, dealt a pair of 7s against a 10 and I was up so much that I didn't really care if i lost a measly 20 bucks so I went ahead and split my 7s. I caught 10s making my hand a pat 17 which is still lousy. good thing is the dealer drew a 7 so I pushed my hand and cause the whole table to win. The ploppies took that example and started to split 7s against all cards including an ace. It's like I accidentally created a rule that's "always split 7s"
September 10th, 2016 at 11:01:50 PM
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Yes, we are.Quote: rsactuaryAren't they wonderful people???
September 12th, 2016 at 12:53:44 PM
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Always heard it was like 78% of the time... Maybe time zones affect the dealer first hand win rate? lolz...Quote: HunterhillYou forgot,The dealer wins the first hand 83% of the time.
How have you ever been to a blackjack table and NOT heard this =p. This, in my opinion has got to be the #1 misunderstood thing about any percentages in the game from a plopies perspective. Every single one for some reason has some number or figure they've heard (usually 75-90%) that the dealer wins the first hand... With no other rhyme or reason.Quote: dajakestahaven't heard about this one before, can you elaborate?
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
September 12th, 2016 at 12:56:27 PM
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How come the ones that believe the "assume a ten in the hole" nonsense won't bet me even money that there is or not? 0:-)
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September 12th, 2016 at 1:03:03 PM
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I love asking them if that's true, why stand on your 17 or 18 vs dealer 9?Quote: IbeatyouracesHow come the ones that believe the "assume a ten in the hole" nonsense won't bet me even money that there is or not? 0:-)
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
September 12th, 2016 at 1:38:28 PM
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I'd rather just bet them. Tens, I pay them. Anything else, they pay me. $1 per hand is good enough.
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September 12th, 2016 at 4:13:28 PM
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I recently saw a guy splitting his 10s against a dealer 10 up-card. What are you going to do? Some people like excitement. I don't see how you could do this for long. Eventually you've go to figure out that this is a costly mistake.
Several years ago at the Tuscany I saw a guy playing about $15 a hand. His name was George. He put out a $3 tip/bet for the dealer every hand. He even said that he has to live up to his name.
Why should I tip if George is taking care of the dealer? It's only $3 right? (Times 60 - 200 hands an hour depending.)
Several years ago at the Tuscany I saw a guy playing about $15 a hand. His name was George. He put out a $3 tip/bet for the dealer every hand. He even said that he has to live up to his name.
Why should I tip if George is taking care of the dealer? It's only $3 right? (Times 60 - 200 hands an hour depending.)
September 12th, 2016 at 4:44:39 PM
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I say let them gamble like that don't get mad get happy. We need them in the casino to add to the casinos bottom line so they will give out more money. Of course poppies and systems bettors come here some for advice, some for scamming, some just because. I think they should get a fair shake since they took the time to seek out the forum.Quote: GreasyjohnI recently saw a guy splitting his 10s against a dealer 10 up-card. What are you going to do? Some people like excitement. I don't see how you could do this for long. Eventually you've go to figure out that this is a costly mistake.
Several years ago at the Tuscany I saw a guy playing about $15 a hand. His name was George. He put out a $3 tip/bet for the dealer every hand. He even said that he has to live up to his name.
Why should I tip if George is taking care of the dealer? It's only $3 right? (Times 60 - 200 hands an hour depending.)
I do wish people would become educated enough to DEMAND GOOD pay out and refused to get raped by BS payouts. That would at least give them the freedom to make some mistakes and or play bad if they wish.
I can only imagine how much money they actually make on 6 to 5 BJ. And that's exactly why the casinos have it. It has nothing to do with Advantage players. I can guarantee you if all advantage players disappeared over night they wouldn't change a thing and they would keep adding 6 to 5. That's obvious if you factor in the fact that AP's are not hitting up the bars for free drinks. They are not over flowing parking lots that the casonos now charge for. It's greed, and if they can get away with it they will do it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 12th, 2016 at 5:47:52 PM
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I was playing the other night--me flat betting $3 a hand. Next to me, on my left, is a guy spread to 3 hands, betting $100 (table max) a hand. Twice he gets dealt a pair of aces--and he doesn't split. He tells me, "I never split aces, I always lose when I do that." (He told me that he bought in for $1700; I glance at his chips and I'm guessing he had about $3-4K sitting in front of him. He had a lucky night, to be sure. After about an hour of play I walked away up $26.00, woo hoo!)
Then a short time later, a pretty young woman sits next to me. She won't split 8-8, for the same reason, "I always lose when I split eights," she says. She also stands on 13 v. dealer 7. Geez. I watched her lose $85 in about 6 minutes.
Then a short time later, a pretty young woman sits next to me. She won't split 8-8, for the same reason, "I always lose when I split eights," she says. She also stands on 13 v. dealer 7. Geez. I watched her lose $85 in about 6 minutes.
ars longa vita brevis
September 12th, 2016 at 6:47:58 PM
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The opposite is true with me. The last couple of times I played blackjack, most of the other players played decent. The only thing I saw was that one of them was afraid to hit 16 (no surrender allowed). Then again, I have not played long enough to find out what other "strategies" they may have come up with. It may also be possible that all the ploppies are congregated at the 6:5 tables so I never see them.
Always look for opportunities.
September 13th, 2016 at 8:56:21 PM
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I played with a guy who "won't take bust cards." This means he won't hit if his hand is 12+.
September 14th, 2016 at 6:24:01 AM
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Quote: BlueEagleI played with a guy who "won't take bust cards." This means he won't hit if his hand is 12+.
I remember dealing to a man and his wife. The man believed this, and chewed his wife out royally if she tried to hit anything 12+, even against a face.
Casinos are not your friends, they want your money. But so does Disneyland.
And there is no chance in hell that you will go to Disneyland and come back with more money than you went with.
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September 18th, 2016 at 3:41:26 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesHow come the ones that believe the "assume a ten in the hole" nonsense won't bet me even money that there is or not? 0:-)
I know. You hear that the books assume there is a ten in the hole. Shows they haven't read, or have knowledge, of the game. Just say "Hey if that's true why doesn't the the book say to hit on a hard 19 if the dealer's showing a ten?"
The Terror of Casinos.
September 18th, 2016 at 3:57:11 PM
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Quote: theoriemeister
Then a short time later, a pretty young woman sits next to me. She won't split 8-8, for the same reason, "I always lose when I split eights," she says. She also stands on 13 v. dealer 7. Geez. I watched her lose $85 in about 6 minutes.
I have that problem with 12s BTW. OMG!! Me pulling a ten is written into law somewhere. Lol. If I don't I'm shocked! If I pull a nine my jaw drops.
The Terror of Casinos.
September 18th, 2016 at 4:32:13 PM
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Quote:
Quote: rsactuary: Aren't they wonderful people???
FleaStiffYes, we are.
But, we can always call the "Gambling problem? We can help!" emergency phone number: "I have 13 against a Dealer 6. Should I hit? Whaaa?! What kind'a help is THAT!" (Sometimes people who are supposed to be helpful, just aren't. That's life.)
September 18th, 2016 at 5:00:41 PM
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I once watched a player split 10s... lose both hands... then complain "I always lose at this casino."
Right... this casino. Some people.
Right... this casino. Some people.
Variance giveth and variance taketh away.
September 18th, 2016 at 9:05:24 PM
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Quote: RenoGamblerI once watched a player split 10s... lose both hands... then complain "I always lose at this casino."
Right... this casino. Some people.
Yea, I witnesed a dude split 10s against a 10 and stormed off after the dealer beated his 2 stiffs.
September 18th, 2016 at 9:20:47 PM
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Quote:Yea, I witnesed a dude split 10s against a 10 and stormed off after the dealer beated his 2 stiffs.
The guy I saw split his 10s against a dealer 5, so I guess he was only half as dumb.
Variance giveth and variance taketh away.
September 18th, 2016 at 9:47:12 PM
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What if James Grosjean split 10's vs 10. What would you think then?
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September 18th, 2016 at 9:53:50 PM
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Here's one for you. "Doubling 10 against a face is better than doubling 11 against a face because an Ace is a good card on a 10."
Casinos are not your friends, they want your money. But so does Disneyland.
And there is no chance in hell that you will go to Disneyland and come back with more money than you went with.
- AxelWolf and Mickeycrimm
September 19th, 2016 at 7:03:31 AM
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Then I would double/split whatever I had given the dealer has 12 through 16.Quote: IbeatyouracesWhat if James Grosjean split 10's vs 10. What would you think then?
I hope if I were at the same table with him I'd be able to catch the signal though and not need to see his play =).
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
September 19th, 2016 at 7:43:46 AM
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Quote: RomesThen I would double/split whatever I had given the dealer has 12 through 16.
I hope if I were at the same table with him I'd be able to catch the signal though and not need to see his play =).
You don't even need the signals. You can guesstimate based the BP's play.
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September 19th, 2016 at 8:22:31 AM
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Hence the first part of my response? =pQuote: IbeatyouracesYou don't even need the signals. You can guesstimate based the BP's play.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
September 26th, 2016 at 5:57:45 AM
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One of my "favorites": Don't enter or exit mid-shoe or "play wrong" because it 'ruins the order of the cards'. Then I ask: "Well, what order are the cards in?" and I either get a blank stare or "shut up, you don't know what you're talking about"
September 26th, 2016 at 8:21:52 AM
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Here's another one for the books guys.
Blackjack is a team game, if you didn't double soft 19 against a dealer's 6, the dealer would have busted and cause the whole table to win
Blackjack is a team game, if you didn't double soft 19 against a dealer's 6, the dealer would have busted and cause the whole table to win
September 26th, 2016 at 9:11:29 AM
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That we were getting kicked out soon.Quote: IbeatyouracesWhat if James Grosjean split 10's vs 10. What would you think then?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 26th, 2016 at 9:19:23 AM
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Quote: dajakestaHere's another one for the books guys.
Blackjack is a team game, if you didn't double soft 19 against a dealer's 6, the dealer would have busted and cause the whole table to win
I once doubled soft 20 (A,9) vs 6 only to SAVE the whole table. That shut them up the whole session.
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September 26th, 2016 at 9:19:55 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfThat we were getting kicked out soon.
Lol. Most likely!
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