jjjoooggg
jjjoooggg
  • Threads: 34
  • Posts: 1150
Joined: Jul 13, 2012
September 4th, 2015 at 12:38:20 AM permalink
I've been trespassed in another city from two casinos and banned with ID.

Do casinos keep a video library of my plays when I was backed off?

Am I on every casino's do not play list? Should I ask for a player's card?
Born in Texas and lived in Texas my whole life.
Dodsferd
Dodsferd
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 375
Joined: Jun 10, 2015
September 4th, 2015 at 12:54:40 AM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

I've been trespassed in another city from two casinos and banned with ID.

Do casinos keep a video library of my plays when I was backed off?

Am I on every casino's do not play list? Should I ask for a player's card?



Depends what for, and the company's policies. In my casino for example, we'd keep all footage of the actual removal and ban, as well as any investigations conducted into your play or activities (Assuming it was a ban for advantage play)

That information would be summarized and passed along if necessary. Again, it depends why you were trespassed.
This feeling is heavy, makes my body ache and I'm ready; To fall into the sky and I see now, the reason why. My heart is heavy, takes me to a place I can't breathe. Only then I know why I see the warning sign.
jjjoooggg
jjjoooggg
  • Threads: 34
  • Posts: 1150
Joined: Jul 13, 2012
September 4th, 2015 at 1:04:06 AM permalink
I was trespassed for card counting. Afterwards, I got a player's card in another city and they let me play. But I wonder if they were alerted and put me on priority for surveillance instead of going directly to back off?

One casino recognized me the day after I got trespassed from another and told me to play my last hand.
Born in Texas and lived in Texas my whole life.
Dodsferd
Dodsferd
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 375
Joined: Jun 10, 2015
September 4th, 2015 at 1:18:11 AM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

I was trespassed for card counting. Afterwards, I got a player's card in another city and they let me play. But I wonder if they were alerted and put me on priority for surveillance instead of going directly to back off?

One casino recognized me the day after I got trespassed from another and told me to play my last hand.



Our gaming network extends province-wide. It's entirely possible that wherever you played, has the same sort of setup. It's really up to the discretion of the place you're playing at. If you were playing at a casino owned by the same parent company as the one you got banned from, then there's a much higher likelihood of being removed again.

Some people who have been banned elsewhere are put on a "close watch" status when they come here, and we monitor their play, and evaluate the type of damage they can potentially do. Others are straight up backed off the game or out of the building. A lot of it depends on circumstance and what sort of information they already have on you.
This feeling is heavy, makes my body ache and I'm ready; To fall into the sky and I see now, the reason why. My heart is heavy, takes me to a place I can't breathe. Only then I know why I see the warning sign.
1BB
1BB
  • Threads: 18
  • Posts: 5339
Joined: Oct 10, 2011
September 4th, 2015 at 2:55:02 AM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

I was trespassed for card counting. Afterwards, I got a player's card in another city and they let me play. But I wonder if they were alerted and put me on priority for surveillance instead of going directly to back off?

One casino recognized me the day after I got trespassed from another and told me to play my last hand.



First offense/encounter? Walk us through it. Were you read to from a card, escorted out and told to never return?
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
jjjoooggg
jjjoooggg
  • Threads: 34
  • Posts: 1150
Joined: Jul 13, 2012
September 4th, 2015 at 9:07:17 AM permalink
Played 1-8 spread using cover in dd at a casino in a small town. I only played maybe 20 minutes, but they probably remembered me from a few weeks before playing maybe an hour or two. Its been so long so I can't remember exact times. Security asked for ID. He didn't even call in the name. He just said "yep." Then pulled out trespass card, escorted me off property to my car. I drove off, cop car pulls in behind for a couple minutes then leaves.

Las Vegas Casino 1-8 spread using cover play in dd. Surrounded by maybe 5 security. Read trespass card and escorted off.

Las Vegas Casino played 1-8 spread in dd using cover maybe 20 minutes. Suited man said I'm playing to well to offer the game anymore. When I cash in, they ask for ID. I can see the screen flashing red from the red glow on the cashier's face. He gets three calls asking my name and tells them.

Played 1-8 spread dd 30 minutes. I leave the moment pit boss makes call. I come back a day later. I play a few hands and man said no more blackjack.

I am just wondering at what point will my name be recognized by every casino?
Born in Texas and lived in Texas my whole life.
Ibeatyouraces
Ibeatyouraces
  • Threads: 68
  • Posts: 11933
Joined: Jan 12, 2010
September 4th, 2015 at 9:12:58 AM permalink
Never go right to your car after a trespass/back off or anything similar. Get it later or have someone else get it for you.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
jjjoooggg
jjjoooggg
  • Threads: 34
  • Posts: 1150
Joined: Jul 13, 2012
September 4th, 2015 at 9:23:23 AM permalink
When I drove to the next casino after a trespass, a man walked in after maybe 10 minutes of play and said that's your last hand and knew my name. He was escorting me but got pulled away by a belligerent customer. Next, I went to the biggest casino in the same city. As I walk past security, he talks into his radio like something important. I felt one of the players was playing to monitor me and walked off after I played cover. I left soon.

There was one casino that has bad penetration everywhere. I play 1-4 spread in hi limit for 20 minutes using cover. I go to the main floor to play dd. Another dealer comes in and starts giving good penetration. I felt like I was being baited so I left.
Born in Texas and lived in Texas my whole life.
RS
RS
  • Threads: 62
  • Posts: 8626
Joined: Feb 11, 2014
September 4th, 2015 at 9:34:13 AM permalink
I can't tell if you're being serious or not...
jjjoooggg
jjjoooggg
  • Threads: 34
  • Posts: 1150
Joined: Jul 13, 2012
September 4th, 2015 at 11:23:43 AM permalink
Im serious. Apparently my act sucks. I should wear a shirt that says card counter.
Born in Texas and lived in Texas my whole life.
KingoftheEye
KingoftheEye
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 68
Joined: Jun 26, 2015
September 4th, 2015 at 12:00:04 PM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

When I drove to the next casino after a trespass, a man walked in after maybe 10 minutes of play and said that's your last hand and knew my name. He was escorting me but got pulled away by a belligerent customer. Next, I went to the biggest casino in the same city. As I walk past security, he talks into his radio like something important. I felt one of the players was playing to monitor me and walked off after I played cover. I left soon.

There was one casino that has bad penetration everywhere. I play 1-4 spread in hi limit for 20 minutes using cover. I go to the main floor to play dd. Another dealer comes in and starts giving good penetration. I felt like I was being baited so I left.



This is just paranoia. Good rule of thumb for _MOST_ AP's is to take the amount of attention/effort you think this casino is giving you and divide by 1,000,000. Unless you are Phil Ivey and just walked out of Crockfords, no one cares that much. You have to realize, the main target of casino surveillance is cheaters, not low-rolling APs.
Neutrino
Neutrino
  • Threads: 84
  • Posts: 515
Joined: Feb 20, 2014
September 4th, 2015 at 6:57:26 PM permalink
Quote: RS

I can't tell if you're being serious or not...



Agreed. I can't even imagined being backed off for spreading 1-4.
RS
RS
  • Threads: 62
  • Posts: 8626
Joined: Feb 11, 2014
September 4th, 2015 at 7:54:47 PM permalink
What I can't believe is someone would get trespassed then go to another nearby casino immediately after THEN get kicked out of there and go to another! Not only that, but then go on the forum, and being like, "herpa derp! I dunno what's going on!"
MaxPen
MaxPen
  • Threads: 13
  • Posts: 3634
Joined: Feb 4, 2015
September 4th, 2015 at 8:54:23 PM permalink
I find this a little hard to believe. Usually, you just get told to discontinue play and then it's bye time. Go back a couple months later and all is forgotten, unless of course you stand out in some dramatic way.
jjjoooggg
jjjoooggg
  • Threads: 34
  • Posts: 1150
Joined: Jul 13, 2012
September 5th, 2015 at 4:24:37 PM permalink
I already was told a long time ago by a friend that my photo must have been faxed to nearby casinos. I get that.

What the original question is: can I bet that casinos have my name on some national database. I have no idea how the casino surveillance works. If everything is computerized now a days. I would think that every time I apply for a players card, I will be flagged.

I am trying to decide whether to get a player's card. The pit bosses are like why not.

I got backed off for 1-8 spread but I play 1-4 spread now. But I am still concerned that even with a 1-4 and with my back off history. I may not want to use a player's card. I didn't say I was backed off using a 1-4 spread. I said that I thought I was being watched because a new dealer started giving good penetration.

Why would I make this up. I am here for intel.
Born in Texas and lived in Texas my whole life.
jjjoooggg
jjjoooggg
  • Threads: 34
  • Posts: 1150
Joined: Jul 13, 2012
September 5th, 2015 at 4:33:05 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

I find this a little hard to believe. Usually, you just get told to discontinue play and then it's bye time. Go back a couple months later and all is forgotten, unless of course you stand out in some dramatic way.



I don't like mentioning casino names. Because I don't know which casinos are on this forum. I took 2 years off dealing with personal issues.

I find it ironic that with all my cover play and learning curve. I still haven't broke even. I'm 15K down. I go to mostly $25 tables.

I was presented the trespass card. In a way that was a compliment. Maybe because I look intelligent.
Born in Texas and lived in Texas my whole life.
Dodsferd
Dodsferd
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 375
Joined: Jun 10, 2015
September 5th, 2015 at 4:36:02 PM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

I already was told a long time ago by a friend that my photo must have been faxed to nearby casinos. I get that.

What the original question is: can I bet that casinos have my name on some national database. I have no idea how the casino surveillance works. If everything is computerized now a days. I would think that every time I apply for a players card, I will be flagged.

I am trying to decide whether to get a player's card. The pit bosses are like why not.

I got backed off for 1-8 spread but I play 1-4 spread now. But I am still concerned that even with a 1-4 and with my back off history. I may not want to use a player's card. I didn't say I was backed off using a 1-4 spread. I said that I thought I was being watched because a new dealer started giving good penetration.

Why would I make this up. I am here for intel.



As I mentioned previously, if you were banned from our casino, we would have your information based on the interactions involving our staff. If we acquired your first / last name via ID or conversation, we'd keep it for our internal database, along with anything else (DOB, address, job, preferred game, etc) if necessary. Our network of information that is spread, is province-wide. Along that network, name, DOB, and a short synopsis of details is passed around.

It takes very special circumstances to go above and beyond that. We have patrons who are banned from other establishments in our casino all the time. We're aware as to why they're banned, but we don't extend that to our own place if we think their business is profitable.
This feeling is heavy, makes my body ache and I'm ready; To fall into the sky and I see now, the reason why. My heart is heavy, takes me to a place I can't breathe. Only then I know why I see the warning sign.
tongni
tongni
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 203
Joined: Feb 27, 2013
September 5th, 2015 at 4:42:40 PM permalink
buy a hat and drink a beer while playing. stop handing your ID to every security guard, little old lady, and homeless man that wants to see it. nobody is baiting you. when it's time to go, just get up with your chips and walk out. stop cashing your chips out the same time you play. it's not that you look intelligent, it's that you don't fit in. take an acting class.
jjjoooggg
jjjoooggg
  • Threads: 34
  • Posts: 1150
Joined: Jul 13, 2012
September 5th, 2015 at 5:26:09 PM permalink
Ok, good info.

I know my favorite casino will let me play with a card Because I got a card after all this two years ago and they let me play. I haven't played for two years and no one recognizes me.

I guess, I will get a card. Since I use 1-4 spread now.
Born in Texas and lived in Texas my whole life.
djatc
djatc
  • Threads: 83
  • Posts: 4477
Joined: Jan 15, 2013
September 5th, 2015 at 6:42:59 PM permalink
Edited this post so I don't get fined.
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
Dieter
Administrator
Dieter
  • Threads: 16
  • Posts: 5477
Joined: Jul 23, 2014
September 5th, 2015 at 7:28:49 PM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

with all my cover play and learning curve. I still haven't broke even. I'm 15K down. I go to mostly $25 tables.



I don't see how a 1-4 spread will make you money, unless it's single deck, or you're heavily wonging (which isn't a 1-4 spread - it's a 0-4 spread).

Not sure how many rounds you've played, but at the "old" 1-8 spread, that's only 75 max bets.

So... I don't see anything surprising here.
May the cards fall in your favor.
jjjoooggg
jjjoooggg
  • Threads: 34
  • Posts: 1150
Joined: Jul 13, 2012
September 5th, 2015 at 7:35:38 PM permalink
Okay.
Born in Texas and lived in Texas my whole life.
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22272
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
September 5th, 2015 at 11:26:29 PM permalink
I say get a book or something. From your posts it's obvious you're not ready for card counting. You're going to blow yourself up before you actually have any value. Getting 86'ed shouldn't be taken as a compliment especially when your down money. You should have a big pit in you're stomach and be upset, assume you just burnt a bundle of cash in flames (If you're down 15k you probably don't feel that way). You should figure out what you've done wrong and stop doing it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
MathExtremist
MathExtremist
  • Threads: 88
  • Posts: 6526
Joined: Aug 31, 2010
September 7th, 2015 at 12:02:47 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I say get a book or something. From your posts it's obvious you're not ready for card counting. You're going to blow yourself up before you actually have any value. Getting 86'ed shouldn't be taken as a compliment especially when your down money. You should have a big pit in you're stomach and be upset, assume you just burnt a bundle of cash in flames (If you're down 15k you probably don't feel that way). You should figure out what you've done wrong and stop doing it.

For a lot of people, the answer is "stop trying to count cards." If he's getting 86ed that means he's getting caught, and if he's getting caught he's not good enough to play under the radar.

Getting 86ed if you're a profitable card counter is like getting fired from a good job: you can't make money there anymore. If you're *not* profitable, though, getting 86ed helps prevent further losses. On balance, that's probably a good thing.

He should just put his next 15k in the stock market. That way he'll only lose half of it.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
jjjoooggg
jjjoooggg
  • Threads: 34
  • Posts: 1150
Joined: Jul 13, 2012
September 7th, 2015 at 12:36:33 PM permalink
I hardly play anymore. I am curious.
Born in Texas and lived in Texas my whole life.
boymimbo
boymimbo
  • Threads: 17
  • Posts: 5994
Joined: Nov 12, 2009
September 7th, 2015 at 2:39:23 PM permalink
Of course there is an international database that casinos subscribe to. When you were 86d from one casino the synopsis might have simply been "counting". That's enough for other casinos to pique their interest and when it becomes obvious to them that you are counting by using a spread that you are not welcome there either.

And casinos are likely on the alert for new people in the database, especially when they show up to another casino 30 minutes later.
----- You want the truth! You can't handle the truth!
jjjoooggg
jjjoooggg
  • Threads: 34
  • Posts: 1150
Joined: Jul 13, 2012
September 7th, 2015 at 3:14:17 PM permalink
Okay.
Born in Texas and lived in Texas my whole life.
  • Jump to: