Bust Bonus
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The question for the poll is would you make this bet?
Quote: WizardofnothingAnyone know the name of that game?
Sounds like of like Double Attack Blackjack. The "Bust It" side bet in that game had to made before seeing the dealer up card.
On that same question there used to be a game a Caesars that was here seperate blackjack hand and normal rules but dealer got one up card and then played out three. Hands. Any idea what that was or if it is still around
Quote: DeucekiesPaytable has an error. You have no line for Ace up, and say that a 2 up is worth 3:1 or 50:1.
Thanks; good catch.
ZCore13
Quote: Avincowwhat are the limits on this bet?
I think $1-$25 at the Silver Dollar.
Also, am I the only one misled by the name of this bet?
Quote: WizardI think $1-$25 at the Silver Dollar.
It's $1-$25 at my place. Players get the option to place the bet after all players play their hand, right before the dealer exposes their down card. Anyone that played the hand, including if they busted, can place a bet.
ZCore13
However, with a $25 max bet, I don't think it will be worth the bother of most AP's (by what rule of grammar may I use an apostrophe in that situation, or may I?).
The last time I played, the dealer had 8 up and I split, taking the next two 8s. One guy was very angry, but I made the right play.
Quote: WizardJust going off the top of my head, I think the way to attack this would be with a modified high-low count that treats aces as low or neutral. Then make the side bet against only low cards in a high-card rich deck....
So tracking 8's would not be as important as counting a solid base game?
Quote: AyecarumbaSo tracking 8's would not be as important as counting a solid base game?
I'm not saying that. It would depend on your bet level in the base game.
Quote: DeucekiesI believe the Crazy Moose Casino in Mountlake Terrace, WA (north of Seattle) has or had this game. IIRC, in addition to the posted maximum, you were not allowed to reverse bet (bet more on the bonus than the hand).
Some casinos just have rules to have rules and they have no real idea why. Why would you not want to let someone wager $25 on the side bet and only $10 on the Blackjack hand?
Blackjack - Less than 1% house advantage
Bust Bonus - 4% - 10%
Same as why can't players play just the Pair Plus or just the 6 Card Bonus if they want to in Three Card Poker?
Or why do casinos force players to touch Three Card Poker with only one hand, but UTH it's ok to use two?
A lot of not so smart people out there...
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Some casinos just have rules to have rules and they have no real idea why. Why would you not want to let someone wager $25 on the side bet and only $10 on the Blackjack hand?
Blackjack - Less than 1% house advantage
Bust Bonus - 4% - 10%
Same as why can't players play just the Pair Plus or just the 6 Card Bonus if they want to in Three Card Poker?
Or why do casinos force players to touch Three Card Poker with only one hand, but UTH it's ok to use two?
A lot of not so smart people out there...
ZCore13
...or why limit a side bet to $25
Quote: Avincow...or why limit a side bet to $25
That's a different story. Not comparable to a game rule.
Tribal Casinos, especially smaller ones, use their profits to support the Tribal members. Many/most due monthly checks as well as an annual disbursement. No matter him much is made in a previous month, the need a minimum amount to cover their payments and expenses. A couple $50,000 or $100,000 hits could be devestating.
No dint get me wrong, a well run Tribal Casino has plenty of money saved up in reserve, but it takes a lot to get that out and to be able to use it. It's not just a simple check or transfer.
Silly game rules affect player experience. Bet limits are based on the individual casinos risk tollerance.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Some casinos just have rules to have rules and they have no real idea why. Why would you not want to let someone wager $25 on the side bet and only $10 on the Blackjack hand?
Because as others have mentioned already, the bonus is beatable for a counter.
The Pair Plus and 6 Card Bonuses are not good analogies. Those house advantages are static from hand to hand. Blackjack side bets, especially this one, fluctuate in house advantage.
Quote: DeucekiesBecause as others have mentioned already, the bonus is beatable for a counter.
The Pair Plus and 6 Card Bonuses are not good analogies. Those house advantages are static from hand to hand. Blackjack side bets, especially this one, fluctuate in house advantage.
How is that different than the base game of Blackjack? Why not limit that to $10 then??
Quote: Zcore13Some casinos just have rules to have rules and they have no real idea why. Why would you not want to let someone wager $25 on the side bet and only $10 on the Blackjack hand?
Blackjack - Less than 1% house advantage
Bust Bonus - 4% - 10%
Same as why can't players play just the Pair Plus or just the 6 Card Bonus if they want to in Three Card Poker?
Or why do casinos force players to touch Three Card Poker with only one hand, but UTH it's ok to use two?
A lot of not so smart people out there...
ZCore13
I have often thought of it as a way of not putting the casino at too much of a risk for a huge loss. Blackjack is basically a 1:1 payout game, unless you get blackjack after all but sidebets are not. At Rivers Casino in Des Plaines, I sometimes play the Lucky Lucky bonus, and there are payouts that are as high as 200:1. Is the casino comfortable on a $25 min with a $2500 max feel comfortable losing half a million if suited 777 comes up with a $2500 side bet.
I do agree with your logic however, that it is a bet that would net the casino more in the long term if they offered it at those levels
Quote: Gabes22I have often thought of it as a way of not putting the casino at too much of a risk for a huge loss. Blackjack is basically a 1:1 payout game, unless you get blackjack after all but sidebets are not. At Rivers Casino in Des Plaines, I sometimes play the Lucky Lucky bonus, and there are payouts that are as high as 200:1. Is the casino comfortable on a $25 min with a $2500 max feel comfortable losing half a million if suited 777 comes up with a $2500 side bet.
I do agree with your logic however, that it is a bet that would net the casino more in the long term if they offered it at those levels
Yes it would, but for Tribal Casinos, especially smaller ones, the monthly checks to the Tribal members are the most important thing.
I'd be happy to increase my limits. Higher wager mean more net win. But I limit side bet games with 1000-1 payouts to $10. Lesser payout games to $25.
ZCore13
