Kutsu
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April 8th, 2015 at 1:23:24 AM permalink
I have been playing myVegas Blackjack since it was released. I have just recently finished grinding out all the gold achievements on the "my strip" board. My strip currently ends at Luxor and they have not added more since the past two updates. There are 3 more stages to go, Monte Carlo, Mandalay Bay, and Bellagio before you "beat the game". Instead of adding these stages, the last two content patches added a slot machine into a Blackjack game and added ShaqJack (Burn 20 Blackjack).

In this game, I mostly played the Single Deck, 3/2 Blackjack payout, DAS, no surrender, 2 splits max, dealer checks for blackjack, shuffles after every game (continuous shuffler). They also have 6 deck and free bet blackjack with the same rules as above. I have not purchased any chips, I earned chips by collecting 3200 chips every 4 hours and the playing spin wheel for chips which has a 3x multiplier for consecutive play. This method of acquiring chips was patched out with ShaqJack, it is now significantly harder to acquire chips through bonus rounds.

You can earn loyalty points which you can redeem on MGM properties and MGM partners. The only way to earn loyalty points is by completing achievements on "my strip" or betting a enough chips. After completing the "my strip" board, I ended with 63,000 loyalty points at level 113. To put into perspective, a buy one get one free Gelato is worth 2500 loyalty, 10 dollar freeplay is worth 10000 loyalty, crepes at the Aria is worth 10000 loyalty, and 25 dollar freeplay is worth 50000 loyalty. In order to redeem the loyalty points, you must either dine at the restaurant or stay at the hotel. In my opinion, anything above 50000 loyalty is unobtainable. Most of the freebies are not worth it since you get them already as a M-Life member.

I am confident the cards in this game are rigged. Anytime you bet big you can expect to lose or push. Anytime you have a split with a double, you can expect your hand to lose. There are a set of collectibles you can earn by playing. Once you've earned enough collectibles, you unlock the next stage which means your minimum is now higher. I have always tried to bust collectibles on purpose to keep my minimum low but they will make sure you win. I have hit 20s and received an ace, I have hit 17s and received 4 aces all the way to 21. These have happened a lot more than it should.

You would think the objective of the game is to get casual players to dabble into blackjack which then gets them to play with real money at the tables in Vegas. They have implemented a feature named "Bold Plays" where the screen flashes and special effects go off when you do something "bold" such as splitting 10s, doubling anything 12 or over, and doubling 7 or less. This encourages bad plays. Casual players will be more likely to do a "bold play" in real life with real money. In my opinion, this game does not need to rig cards to get people playing in Vegas. I think the loyalty bonuses and the Bold Play meter is enough so why rig the cards? Blackjack continuous shuffler has a house advantage and is uncountable so players will lose chips over time.

I am so offended by the fact that the cards are rigged and that's why I was so driven to beat this game without spending any real money. I wanted to earn as much loyalty points as possible and then redeem the most expensive thing I could. If you are playing this game, just earn enough loyalty to buy a Gelato or a crepe then stop. As I said above, earning more than 50,000 loyalty points is unrealistic and it will cost you more time than the money to pay for the real thing. If you decide to continue playing, my best advice to you is BUY THE INSURANCE!!! The dealer definitely has Blackjack.

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Romes
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April 8th, 2015 at 9:02:02 AM permalink
Quote: Kutsu

I have been playing myVegas Blackjack since it was released...

I am confident the cards in this game are rigged...


Hi Kutsu, and welcome to the forums. While I'm not saying you're correct or not, you certainly aren't the first person of accusing an online game of being rigged. I'm not 100% familiar with myVegas, other than it's a facebook game and I think you can earn TR points through it. Can you actually bet real money? Even so, let me not get distracted from my point... If you're going to accuse any site/game/etc of cheating, you must have substantial (and detailed) information to support your claim. How many hands have you played? Have you been flat betting the entire time (thus how much have you wagered)? From there you can derive the house edge and how much theoretically you should have loss and compared it to your actual results. How many times has the dealer blackjacked in these hands? These are all metrics that need recorded EVERY hand.

Anyone in the world could come in here and say "omg guys, I've been playing this game for EVER and I never win!" Then we come to find out they played it a lot, last week. You need to have hundreds of thousands of recorded hands. Video evidence is by far the best because it shows you aren't skewing the data personally. When you have hundreds of thousands of hands/spins MINIMUM then you can start to tell if a game is 'cheating' or not because there is an Expected Value and Standard Deviations for the mathematics of the game. At that point you have enough data to analyze where your results fall and conclude that if they're outside of the realm of possible, thus a site is cheating.

Still, I want to thank you for your feedback, and welcome you to the forums. I just hope if you claim any online site/game/etc is cheating that you'll understand most of the math minds on this forum want a little more than your word.
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April 8th, 2015 at 9:12:14 AM permalink
I earned about 1mil+ loyalty points and only bought more chips for $5 because myvegas was letting people who purchase chips an extra redemption per month. Sure its probably gaffed but there's no cost to play, and the only thing you lose is your time.
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April 8th, 2015 at 9:32:36 AM permalink
Lol at needing hundreds of thousands of hands to prove the myvegas blackjack game is gaffed. You'd probably need a couple thousand at most to confirm at 5 to 6 standard deviations. They never promised that it was a fair representation. I still think it's a stupid move by MGM.
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April 8th, 2015 at 9:43:54 AM permalink
I once recorded 8000 hands on the facebook version, and I am 100% convinced that it was not rigged. I haven't played the mobile version very much, but I suspect it's not rigged.
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April 8th, 2015 at 9:58:45 AM permalink
I am 100% convinced it is not rigged. You can combine your points on the slots and blackjack, and I rarely go bust, but even when I do, I can build up my stack within a couple day just by doing the bonuses. I have over 600,000 LPs so my next trip to Vegas should have some nice perks.
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ThatDonGuy
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April 8th, 2015 at 11:06:51 AM permalink
Quote: Kutsu

I have been playing myVegas Blackjack since it was released. I have just recently finished grinding out all the gold achievements on the "my strip" board. My strip currently ends at Luxor and they have not added more since the past two updates. There are 3 more stages to go, Monte Carlo, Mandalay Bay, and Bellagio before you "beat the game". Instead of adding these stages, the last two content patches added a slot machine into a Blackjack game and added ShaqJack (Burn 20 Blackjack).

In this game, I mostly played the Single Deck, 3/2 Blackjack payout, DAS, no surrender, 2 splits max, dealer checks for blackjack, shuffles after every game (continuous shuffler). They also have 6 deck and free bet blackjack with the same rules as above. I have not purchased any chips, I earned chips by collecting 3200 chips every 4 hours and the playing spin wheel for chips which has a 3x multiplier for consecutive play. This method of acquiring chips was patched out with ShaqJack, it is now significantly harder to acquire chips through bonus rounds.



I assume you are playing the app version rather than the Facebook one.

Questions for you: what is the chips per XP rate, and what (if anything) is the XP cap per deal?
On the Facebook version, you get 1 XP for every 2 chips bet, but there is a maximum XP per deal (not per hand, as if you play multiple hands, the cap applies to all of the hands put together), although you can gain XP on splits and doubles even if your bets are at the cap. The last time I checked, about 6 months ago, the cap on the Facebook app was 60K XPs per deal.
Gabes22
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April 8th, 2015 at 11:29:32 AM permalink
I almost exclusively play BJ on the facebook game. They used to cap it at 15K XPs per deal, but now I can play 3 handed at 50K per hand and get 75K XPs per deal but have not gone above that threshold
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April 8th, 2015 at 1:52:46 PM permalink
My GF is convinced its rigged (slots mostly). She has multiple accounts she uses for a long time now.

she claims accounts that have an overabundance of saved chips (3 to 7 million) will get depleted down to a few hundred thousand chips very quickly while playing a quest(whatever that means) down to 100k to 200k betting around 3k a spin.

Betting the same amount on accounts that have significantly less chips (100k or so) she will finish the quest down a little or up a little.

She says its very predictable.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
FinsRule
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April 8th, 2015 at 3:36:10 PM permalink
I've got over 20 mil in red and 1.25 mil in gold. I don't think it's rigged. I've purchased $5 total.
Aussie
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April 8th, 2015 at 3:37:08 PM permalink
On the app the result of the hand (win, lose, push) is predetermined. Not sure if it has anything to do with how many chips you have but I built up to just over 200m chips at one point before going bust. Am on level 419 with all challenges completed to gold and all games opened up other than Shaq Boston.
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April 8th, 2015 at 3:54:09 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

I've got over 20 mil in red and 1.25 mil in gold. I don't think it's rigged. I've purchased $5 total.

Don't you get free chips all the time?

Winning doesn't mean not rigged.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
ThatDonGuy
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April 8th, 2015 at 4:52:37 PM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

I almost exclusively play BJ on the facebook game. They used to cap it at 15K XPs per deal, but now I can play 3 handed at 50K per hand and get 75K XPs per deal but have not gone above that threshold


I'm a little short on chips right now to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure 150K chips (75K XPs) is the maximum you can bet before doubles/splits on a deal - 3 hands @ 50K max per hand.
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April 8th, 2015 at 4:55:03 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

I'm a little short on chips right now to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure 150K chips (75K XPs) is the maximum you can bet before doubles/splits on a deal - 3 hands @ 50K max per hand.

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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 8th, 2015 at 6:26:03 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Don't you get free chips all the time?

Winning doesn't mean not rigged.



The payback isn't 100%, so you're usually going to lose...
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August 18th, 2015 at 6:31:01 PM permalink
This regarding the mobile version which is different then the facebook version.

I have been playing the mobile myvegas Blackjack game.
I have been crushing in earning loyalty points with a 2 to 3 mil bankroll betting 3 hands 35k a hand.
Been able to keep my bankroll in the 2 to 3 mil range playing a lot
I also noticed if I max out on facebook earning LP's, can still earn them on the mobile games.

Now these mobile myvegas BJ games have unusual rules.
Especially Shaqjack.
All dealer 20's are wiped out. dealer gets new set of cards.
Therefore whenever you see a dealer 10, dealer has 12 to 19.
So is the strategy not hit on 12 to 16 when you see a 10 because you know dealer has 12 to 19, not 20?
5 good cards (2-6) vs 3 bad cards (7-9) Now the odds are when dealer has a 10, chances are its 16 or less.
The flipside to this advantage is dealer pushes on 22.
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August 18th, 2015 at 7:05:09 PM permalink
About a year ago, I bought a few RED chips enuff times to get a 4th redemption. I think it was worthwhile because I had a lot of gold I wanted to redeeem.

LATELY, though, I have had a hard time even figuring out which 4th reward was worth the chips.

Last trip, see:
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August 18th, 2015 at 7:24:31 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

This regarding the mobile version which is different then the facebook version.

I have been playing the mobile myvegas Blackjack game.
I have been crushing in earning loyalty points with a 2 to 3 mil bankroll betting 3 hands 35k a hand.
Been able to keep my bankroll in the 2 to 3 mil range playing a lot
I also noticed if I max out on facebook earning LP's, can still earn them on the mobile games.

Now these mobile myvegas BJ games have unusual rules.
Especially Shaqjack.
All dealer 20's are wiped out. dealer gets new set of cards.
Therefore whenever you see a dealer 10, dealer has 12 to 19.
So is the strategy not hit on 12 to 16 when you see a 10 because you know dealer has 12 to 19, not 20?
5 good cards (2-6) vs 3 bad cards (7-9) Now the odds are when dealer has a 10, chances are its 16 or less.
The flipside to this advantage is dealer pushes on 22.



To me the MyVegas blackjack game seems to be rigged in my favor. On a daily bonus of 90,000 chips I ran that up to the 15 million I hover around now, and which I have been at for the better part of a month. Betting 2 hands of 150k each on the single-deck games, it takes 6 deals to earn 140LP, and about 30 deals to earn an additional 150LP from the side-quests. I've earned about 200k loyalty over the last month and don't see an end in sight. Add to that, every 5 levels you get 600k chips, plus 100LP each day for collecting bonuses.
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January 28th, 2016 at 1:28:05 PM permalink
Quote: terapined


Especially Shaqjack.
All dealer 20's are wiped out. dealer gets new set of cards.
Therefore whenever you see a dealer 10, dealer has 12 to 19.
The flipside to this advantage is dealer pushes on 22.



You are correct, except the dealer can have a soft 20.

I was playing basic strategy except standing on hard 14 or more vs dealer 10.
- Have anyone solved the perfect strategy for this game variant yet? And what's the house edge for it?
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January 28th, 2016 at 1:42:37 PM permalink
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You are correct, except the dealer can have a soft 20.

I was playing basic strategy except standing on hard 14 or more vs dealer 10.
- Have anyone solved the perfect strategy for this game variant yet? And what's the house edge for it?



Burn 20 blackjack strategy would be close enough I'd think. It still says to hit 14 v 10. Stand on 15 v 10.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/burn-20-blackjack/
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January 28th, 2016 at 1:44:11 PM permalink
Quote: PlayHunter

You are correct, except the dealer can have a soft 20.

I was playing basic strategy except standing on hard 14 or more vs dealer 10.
- Have anyone solved the perfect strategy for this game variant yet? And what's the house edge for it?



I believe "Shaqjack" is actually called Burn 20 Blackjack in actual casinos. It's one of Switch's Push on 22 games.
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January 28th, 2016 at 2:43:21 PM permalink
I have grown frustrated that they haven't updated the mobile version with extra challenges/casinos for a log time. I have maxed everything out - all challenges complete (bronze, silver & gold), all casinos activated for all games and also at the highest level possible (500). There is some bug where you can't go beyond level 500. The % complete number sits at 0% but goes to -238,202% when I play a hand.

Have 47m red chips sitting in the bank waiting for the day that they decide to update the game with something meaningful for me to do on it.


EDIT: And for those looking for a perfect strategy to play on the mobile version I am almost certain that the result of each hand are predetermined.
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January 28th, 2016 at 3:06:02 PM permalink
Quote: Aussie

I have grown frustrated that they haven't updated the mobile version with extra challenges/casinos for a log time. I have maxed everything out - all challenges complete (bronze, silver & gold), all casinos activated for all games and also at the highest level possible (500). There is some bug where you can't go beyond level 500. The % complete number sits at 0% but goes to -238,202% when I play a hand.

Have 47m red chips sitting in the bank waiting for the day that they decide to update the game with something meaningful for me to do on it.


EDIT: And for those looking for a perfect strategy to play on the mobile version I am almost certain that the result of each hand are predetermined.

Only if it's predetermined you're going to lose.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 28th, 2016 at 3:20:19 PM permalink
Not necessarily. They can predetermine if you're going to win because they automatically make you stand on 21. You'll find if its predetermined that you will win (or push) you will receive and ace when hitting on 20.
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January 28th, 2016 at 4:03:45 PM permalink
Quote: Aussie

Not necessarily. They can predetermine if you're going to win because they automatically make you stand on 21. You'll find if its predetermined that you will win (or push) you will receive and ace when hitting on 20.

I don't play it so I didn't realize that. I stand corrected.

Regarding playing perfect strategy. It give you extra (not sure what)for making bold moves. I'm wondering if you change your strategy because of this?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Aussie
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January 28th, 2016 at 4:46:14 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I don't play it so I didn't realize that. I stand corrected.

Regarding playing perfect strategy. It give you extra (not sure what)for making bold moves. I'm wondering if you change your strategy because of this?




I have never rally bothered with the "bold play" thing. Pretty much just play basic strategy as it is mindless and I can get through hands faster. The only time I ever deviated from basic strategy was if I had a challenge that could be completed quicker like the "hit on 15 x times" type challenges. But as mentioned I have no more challenges/casinos to complete until they update the game so on the rare occasion I play it it is basic strategy.
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January 29th, 2016 at 8:56:53 AM permalink
@Tringlomane & Ams288, thank you very much!
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