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RedJack
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March 7th, 2015 at 4:53:46 PM permalink
According to the Blackjack Survey section on this site ( I know most entries are dated and very few change every time it is updated), the VAST MAJORITY of Las Vegas Strip casinos have at least one legit 3:2 blackjack game for low-rollers (my definition - $15 minimum or less, preferably $10 or less), be it 6- or 8-deck. When I made a brief trip to LV last year, I stayed at the soon-to-be-gone Riviera and had my only Strip session there at their one and only 3:2 table w/ a $10 minimum ( the rest were $1 minimum which claimed they paid 6:5 but really paid even money on any portion(s) of bets not part of a multiple of 5, lol). The rest of the time I watched "O" at Bellagio which I have to admit was a bit of a disappointment given its fame and high ticket price, and just toured the Strip, spent time people watching, and marveled at the luxury and great architecture all those properties had. Only after I boarded the plane back home did I realize I had forgotten to do one of the things on my mind before the trip which was to check out all Strip properties' blackjack games and update the info a bit (only wanted to do Strip where the rip-off games are most prevalent), which I promised myself that I'd do next time I go there, which I hope to be sooner rather than later if I were to ever play the greatest casino game in the Sin City again, since I'd never, ever play the rip-off version which should not even be called "blackjack", and the conditions seem to be deteriorating as time goes by in the foreseeable future.

The brief personal story aside, since I totally forgot to pay attention to the state of blackjack games offered on the Strip other than the tables I walked by, I have very little idea about the conditions of low-roller tables there (see my definition above). I know however that there are significantly more rip-off ones than legit ones among those with minimums under $25. Now, would anyone who have info on table minimums in those Strip properties give me and the fellow members that are interested any updates on the current conditions? According to the author of a recent article on Casino City Times, he failed to identify a single 3:2 table that had a minimum below $25 during his brief trip to the Strip (no idea how many or which places he visited). However, I doubt that the Survey is THAT outdated since it, once again, lists multiple low-roller tables being offered at most Strip properties. Anyone with any up-to-date info to share with the rest of us would be greatly appreciated.

Note that English is not my native language so I hope what I wrote above makes sense to readers. This is my first post on this forum although I've been a loyal reader for quite some time. It is my pleasure to meet everybody here. Let's keep playing smart and giving ourselves the best shot at winning each and every session against the evil casino empires!
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March 7th, 2015 at 5:16:55 PM permalink
Casinos with 3:2 blackjack:

Treasure Island ($10 6-deck and DD games, always)
Bellagio ($10 and $15 6-deck CSM games, always)
Ballys, Harrahs, Flamingo ($10 during the day, $15 at night, 8 deck shoe games)
MGM Grand ($10 during the day, $15-$25 at night, 6 deck shoe games)
NYNY - two $10 6 deck shoes, two $25 DD games
Aria - all CSM games, $10 during the morning, $15 in the afternoon and evening
Mirage - only during the busiest times they have a couple low limit 3:2 tables open, but their main pit is all 6:5

Excalibur and Luxor also have $10 3:2 games, but I don't think they allow surrender or resplitting aces.
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March 7th, 2015 at 7:11:00 PM permalink
Harrah's does play $10 3:2 on weeknights (M-T) the last 3 times I was there, including this week; probably does go to $15 F-S-S nights, but I'm not usually there to check. There's 1 table of it in the middle of all the 6:5 low-limit tables in the middle BJ pit, adjacent to the craps tables. The party pit is all 6:5, near the LV Blvd exit. They also have at least one $25 3:2 in the middle of the Asian pit, across the aisle. I think it goes to $15 on weekdays but keep forgetting to check.
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March 7th, 2015 at 7:23:43 PM permalink
Ams, thx for being my very first reader. I assume that is a partial list that you're sure of. I'd also assume that some of the lower-to-mid-tier ones such as Circus Circus, SLS, Monte Carlo, and the Linq should also offer 3:2 at relatively low limits at most times? I actually did visit Mirage's pit on a not-so-busy night and most tables were closed. Is that real that their MAIN pit is ALL 6:5? That's really brutal...

Also, as I toured the casinos/hotels I had a few in mind where the atmosphere seemed to my taste that I would consider playing there on my next trip, which are not listed above. Can anyone confirm whether any of the following are still valid? Note that the following is cited from the Survey on this site.

Paris: 8D, H17, DAS, LS, NRSA, $10-$2000;
Cosmopolitan: 8D, H17, DAS, LS, RSA, $15-$5000;
Wynn/Encore: 6D, H17, DAS, LS, RSA, $10-$5000;
CP: 6D, H17, DAS, LS, NRSA, $10-$10000

Also for my higher-roller acquaintances who'd prefer to play up to $50-$100 a hand and play in higher-end properties, from what I've heard Mandalay Bay, Venetian and Palazzo also offer 3:2 but minimum are often $50 or more on those games?
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March 7th, 2015 at 7:32:39 PM permalink
Quote: RedJack

Ams, thx for being my very first reader. I assume that is a partial list that you're sure of. I'd also assume that some of the lower-to-mid-tier ones such as Circus Circus, SLS, Monte Carlo, and the Linq should also offer 3:2 at relatively low limits at most times? I actually did visit Mirage's pit on a not-so-busy night and most tables were closed. Is that real that their MAIN pit is ALL 6:5? That's really brutal...

Also, as I toured the casinos/hotels I had a few in mind where the atmosphere seemed to my taste that I would consider playing there on my next trip, which are not listed above. Can anyone confirm whether any of the following are still valid? Note that the following is cited from the Survey on this site.

Paris: 8D, H17, DAS, LS, NRSA, $10-$2000;
Cosmopolitan: 8D, H17, DAS, LS, RSA, $15-$5000;
Wynn/Encore: 6D, H17, DAS, LS, RSA, $10-$5000;
CP: 6D, H17, DAS, LS, NRSA, $10-$10000

Also for my higher-roller acquaintances who'd prefer to play up to $50-$100 a hand and play in higher-end properties, from what I've heard Mandalay Bay, Venetian and Palazzo also offer 3:2 but minimum are often $50 or more on those games?



Linq has 0 3:2 games. Stay away from them. And unfortunately, Monte Carlo switched to all 6:5 recently. I used to enjoy their low limit games, but they are all ruined now.

Cosmo has $10-$15 8D games in the morning, $25 and up later in the day.

No game at the Wynn ever goes below $15, and most of the time they are $25. Pit bosses are nice there, and they often let you play for $15 if you ask. Their 6D shoes are all 3:2.

Those rules you posted for Paris are still valid, but usually those games are $15.
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March 7th, 2015 at 7:41:38 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Linq has 0 3:2 games. Stay away from them. And unfortunately, Monte Carlo switched to all 6:5 recently. I used to enjoy their low limit games, but they are all ruined now.



By zero 3:2 do you mean blackjack tables of any limits or just low-roller tables (i.e. below $25)? Also for Monte Carlo, all 6:5 even for the $50 and $100 high limit tables? That's insane.
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March 7th, 2015 at 7:55:01 PM permalink
Linq has a section of 3:2 tables on the raised platform across from the hotel check in desk. It doesn't seem to be open 24/7 and I think the min is $25. Is this considered their high roller section?
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March 7th, 2015 at 8:26:02 PM permalink
Here's my blackjack survey of the strip (All info gathered 2015).

DISCLAIMER: It doesn't have everything, just the cheapest games that I actually played. I'm not going to list the rules, since my survey is probably inaccurate. You can just use the Wizard's survey for the rules. Also, I don't play CSMs, so this list is for shoes or pitch games. Lastly, I went to these casinos at random times. You may find that they are more/less expensive depending on when you go.

Mandalay Bay - $25 DD, $25 6D
Luxor - everything looked 6:5 to me, may have missed a section
Excalibur - $15 DD, $10 6D
Tropicana - $15 6D, $25 DD
Hooter's - $10 SD, $10 6D
MGM Grand - $10 6D, $25 6D S17
New York New York - $25 DD, $10 6D
Monte Carlo - Everything is shit
Planet Hollywood - $15 8D, $25 DD
Cosmo - $15 6D, $15 8D
Bally's - $15 6D, $25 DD
Paris - $10 8D, $25 DD
Flamingo - $25 DD, $15 6D
Linq - $25 8D
Oshea's - Everything is shit
Harrah's - $25 DD, $10 8D
Bellagio - Everything is shit under $100
Caesar's Palace - $25 6D
Treasure Island - $10 6D
Mirage - $25 6D, $25 DD
Casino Royale - Everything is shit
Venetian - Everything is shit under $50
Palazzo - Everything is shit under $50
Riviera - $25 DD, $25 6D
Circus Circus - $15 DD, $10 6D
SLS - $25 DD
Stratosphere - $25 DD, $10 6D
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March 7th, 2015 at 8:30:44 PM permalink
Monte Carlo most definitely does not have any low roller 3:2 BJ on the main floor, it's all 6:5. I'm pretty sure that all the blackjack on the main floor pays 6:5 too, not just the "low roller" but I definitely could be wrong about this. I just remember being super duper disappointed walking through their pit looking for a blackjack game.

NYNY always has at least 1 table of 3:2 blackjack. Back in November it was CSM, two weeks ago it was a shoe. $15 minimum, I think it drops to $10. These are the tables in the same bank as the $25 blackjack and Pai Gow Poker. One of them is a lowered table.

"My" Vegas started 6 years ago and even I notice a difference. It's very hard to play blackjack on the strip for less than $25 a hand, considering I won't touch CSM's (they move too fast).
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March 7th, 2015 at 8:35:18 PM permalink
Quote: Avincow

Here's my blackjack survey of the strip (All info gathered 2015).

DISCLAIMER: It doesn't have everything, just the cheapest games that I actually played. I'm not going to list the rules, since my survey is probably inaccurate. You can just use the Wizard's survey for the rules. Also, I don't play CSMs, so this list is for shoes or pitch games. Lastly, I went to these casinos at random times. You may find that they are more/less expensive depending on when you go.

Mandalay Bay - $25 DD, $25 6D
Luxor - everything looked 6:5 to me, may have missed a section
Excalibur - $15 DD, $10 6D
Tropicana - $15 6D, $25 DD
Hooter's - $10 SD, $10 6D
MGM Grand - $10 6D, $25 6D S17
New York New York - $25 DD, $10 6D
Monte Carlo - Everything is shit
Planet Hollywood - $15 8D, $25 DD
Cosmo - $15 6D, $15 8D
Bally's - $15 6D, $25 DD
Paris - $10 8D, $25 DD
Flamingo - $25 DD, $15 6D
Linq - $25 8D
Oshea's - Everything is shit
Harrah's - $25 DD, $10 8D
Bellagio - Everything is shit under $100
Caesar's Palace - $25 6D
Treasure Island - $10 6D
Mirage - $25 6D, $25 DD
Casino Royale - Everything is shit
Venetian - Everything is shit under $50
Palazzo - Everything is shit under $50
Riviera - $25 DD, $25 6D
Circus Circus - $15 DD, $10 6D
SLS - $25 DD
Stratosphere - $25 DD, $10 6D



Great list EXCEPT for Bellagio. I've played a $10 3:2 SOFT 17 game there in the morning several times (usually on slow weekday mornings, but still!) A lot of the time their 6 deck S17 games are $25, then they go to $50 in the evening.

And they always have $10 games (granted you don't like CSMs, but I don't mind them.)
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