Wanderer
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February 8th, 2015 at 6:59:57 AM permalink
Can someone explain to me which would be a better game for a counter: A 6 deck game with a 1-10 spread or a 2 deck game with a 1-5 spread?
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February 8th, 2015 at 7:10:17 AM permalink
Need more info- rules, penetration, heat, and more.

However,

My short answer would be the 2 deck game.

My long answer would be THEEEEEEE TWOOOOOOOOO DEEEEEEEEECK GAAAAAAAAAAME.
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February 8th, 2015 at 7:19:25 AM permalink
Rules are the same for both tables. Both tables are close together at a small casino and heat on a 1-5 2D vs. a 1-10 6D probably would not be much different in this place.
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February 8th, 2015 at 7:21:00 AM permalink
Quote: Wanderer

Can someone explain to me which would be a better game for a counter: A 6 deck game with a 1-10 spread or a 2 deck game with a 1-5 spread?



Each game must be evaluated but, in general, those spreads are low. Bases on those evaluations there will be times when a 6 deck is better. There is no one answer based only on the amount of decks.
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February 8th, 2015 at 7:27:36 AM permalink
Both have to be evaluated separately, like 1BB said. Most importantly, note:

-Penetration
-Crowdedness / table-hopping conditions
-Penetration
-Hands per hour
-Rules / limits (S17 vs H17, $25 min vs $10 min, surrender or no surrender)
-Spread, heat, etc.


All things (well not ALL things) being equal, I'd prefer to play on a 2 deck game.
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February 8th, 2015 at 7:49:32 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Both have to be evaluated separately, like 1BB said. Most importantly, note:

-Penetration
-Crowdedness / table-hopping conditions
-Penetration
-Hands per hour
-Rules / limits (S17 vs H17, $25 min vs $10 min, surrender or no surrender)
-Spread, heat, etc.


All things (well not ALL things) being equal, I'd prefer to play on a 2 deck game.



All of these things are essentially the same. And S17 / NS at both tables. $5 min. at the 6D, $10 min. at the 2D. And the table minimum difference is why I am asking in the first place. For someone like me, who doesn't have a ton of money for big spreads or a very comfortable number of max bets, a 1-10 spread of $5-$50 is a lot different from $10-$100. In the case of the $5 min., I can either double the number of max bets I can play or increase my spread beyond 1-10.
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February 8th, 2015 at 8:08:09 AM permalink
Well what IS the penetration? If they're both 50%, go play the DD. DD would be bad, but 6D would be a lot worse. If they're both 90%, then DD is an awesome game, and the 6D is pretty f***** good too.


In which way are you asking which game is better? EV per hour? Or "strong" game (N0 isn't gigantic) with lesser variance?


Buy CVCX and sim every situation imaginable, then you'll know which game is better. A good game for you isn't necessarily a good game for me. A good game for me isn't necessarily a good game for you, either.
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February 8th, 2015 at 8:13:26 AM permalink
Quote:

Well what IS the penetration? If they're both 50%, go play the DD. DD would be bad, but 6D would be a lot worse. If they're both 90%, then DD is an awesome game, and the 6D is pretty f***** good too.



Call it 60% for both.
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February 8th, 2015 at 8:24:07 AM permalink
Quote: Wanderer

Quote:

Well what IS the penetration? If they're both 50%, go play the DD. DD would be bad, but 6D would be a lot worse. If they're both 90%, then DD is an awesome game, and the 6D is pretty f***** good too.



Call it 60% for both.



6-deck isn't playable at 60% pen.

DD is playable at 60% pen, absent crowded conditions.
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February 8th, 2015 at 10:24:30 AM permalink
Quote: Wanderer

Call it 60% for both.



... and what does that mean? Shuffle when 62 cards have been dealt on DD? Shuffle when 187 cards have been dealt on 6D?


How many other people are playing? I'll take the 6D heads up or with 1 other spot in play over a crowded DD game, but I'll play DD with 2 other spots in play over a 6D in general.

How are the MSE rules?
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